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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
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However I did state that I tend to use a soaker hose that I do not raise
the tail of the hose. The sprayer does not work very good because it does
lack pressure.


If you have low water pressure, I can recommend these:
http://www.greenharvest.com.au/tools...kler_prod.html

The spiky little head in the middle is like a small basket that wobbles.
The wobble action throws the spay quite wide even if the pressure is
woeful.
Here's another variant:
http://www.wobble-tee.com.au/


That is something I did not believe existed. I will look for a local
version first.
Thank for the information on that. The soaker hoses are nice but have their
limitations.


and so does shooting water into the air. You must have water to burn.
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Brooklyn1 wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:05:26 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

When I was in the fire service, we learned that both length
and diameter matters. Smaller hose increases pressure drop,
usually measured in psi drop per 100 feet of length.
500 foot hose has 5 times the pressure drop of 100 foot
hose.


Prove it.

You obviously weren't paying attention in class... so long as pressure
and diameter remains constant volume remains constant... it's when
there is pressure loss and diameter decreases that volume decreases...
fire hose diameter reduces even when moved around corners... every
sailer learns this from shipboard fire control tutorials. And were
you truly in fire service you'd know that fire hose lays flat when
unpressurized and it's diameter changes with changes in pressure...
all you did at the firehouse is polish the firemen's poles.


Too bad you're wrong. As water moves through a pipe, the sides of the pipe
cause
friction, resulting in pressure loss. The longer the pipe and larger the
speed
of the water through the pipe, the more pressure loss, so less water gets
pushed
out the end of a longer pipe. That's why they use larger pipes for longer
runs.
The larger pipe reduces the pressure losses, so you can get the desired
volume
out of the longer pipe.


It's called laminar flow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminar_flow
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thanks for all the helpful posts....... I think that the 1 inch polypipe is
the way to go !!

James


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On Jun 29, 6:30*pm, "James Nipper"
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I have a vacation property in the mountains, of about six acres, *two acres
of which are cleared and developed. *I have areas away from the house area
in which I need water access for watering plants, flowers, etc. *Ideally, I
would love to have about three faucets in areas that are up to about 400
feet away from the house.

I can purchase 500 to 600 feet of hoses, and with the use of *"T's" * add
several branches *(hoses) to allow me to water in several selected areas.
But, if I use high quality hoses, this would be pretty expensive, and it all
seems so *"temporary."

I am wondering if it would be more economical to run a main line of about
500 feet, using some sort of plastic pipe (cannot remember the name of the
current most common), and then run my hose branches from that ? *(The main
line would have to lay on the ground, through the woods). * *Whatever I use,
I need to be able to drain the line during winters, but I suppose I could
get fittings for this equipped with a drain screw or valve or something.

Any ideas of what I should look for, *or use ? *Any general ideas of how to
accomplish what I am trying to do ?


Why not set up a system for gravity flow irrigation, like the farmers
that grow rice have? All you need is a laser level and some sheet
plastic for ditch liners.
Or if you simply prefer to spend money, have a small well drilled at
the site needing the water. Then a couple of 100' hoses will serve any
part of the acreage.

Joe
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On 7/1/2011 11:37 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 06:10:11 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 7/1/2011 4:31 AM, FarmI wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
First thing comes to mind, is sunlight and the UV rays. So,
what you use should be UV resistant.

White PVC tubing might work for a while. The cost of
fittings might add up. Typically sold in 10 foot lengths,
and the tubing is relatively rigid.

White PVC will be weakened by UV. Works great buried.


The new "Pex" stuff they sell for indoor water tubing may
work, but not sure how UV resistant it is.

Most Pex is easily damaged by UV.


They also sell some grey tubing for electrical conduit,
which might be more UV resistant, but not sure it's used for
outdoor water.

It's not rated for that.

Which brings us back to black poly pipe.

Ah! Thank you for mentioning it. Given all the other posts where there has
been no mention of black polypipe except for a very early post, but some
other things I've never heard of and UV, I was beginning to wonder if black
polypipe hadn't made it to US.



Back in the late 1950's and early 1960's, 2 inch black poly pipe is what
my father used to get water from our spring's pump house to the
water system at our home on the farm. We had to make sure the buried
pipe was in a bed of sand because 200 yards of plastic pipe will move
when pressurized. On more than one occasion a small stone would rub
a hole into the pipe so we had to dig it up, patch the pipe with a
plastic coupling then rebury it with sand around it. I remember the
pipe as having a fairly thick wall and not being very flexible.


I never heard of buried poly moving from being pressurized... perhaps
your system was prone to air locks, which is easy to eliminate by
installing a simple device that cushions the system. Anyone
installing an irrigation system from their domestic water needs to
install an anti backflow valve or they are looking for big trouble.


Oh it had a check valve at the pump but the pipe went straight for a
distance then down into a gully where the spring was located. No matter
what material a pipe is made of, it's going to move when pressurized.
Pipe will also move with a change in temperature. Look at how metal
pipe is supported in different situations. The longer the pipe the more
movement becomes a problem.

TDD


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On Fri, 1 Jul 2011 10:50:51 -0700 (PDT), Joe wrote:

On Jun 29, 6:30*pm, "James Nipper"
wrote:
I have a vacation property in the mountains, of about six acres, *two acres
of which are cleared and developed. *I have areas away from the house area
in which I need water access for watering plants, flowers, etc. *Ideally, I
would love to have about three faucets in areas that are up to about 400
feet away from the house.

I can purchase 500 to 600 feet of hoses, and with the use of *"T's" * add
several branches *(hoses) to allow me to water in several selected areas.
But, if I use high quality hoses, this would be pretty expensive, and it all
seems so *"temporary."

I am wondering if it would be more economical to run a main line of about
500 feet, using some sort of plastic pipe (cannot remember the name of the
current most common), and then run my hose branches from that ? *(The main
line would have to lay on the ground, through the woods). * *Whatever I use,
I need to be able to drain the line during winters, but I suppose I could
get fittings for this equipped with a drain screw or valve or something.

Any ideas of what I should look for, *or use ? *Any general ideas of how to
accomplish what I am trying to do ?


Why not set up a system for gravity flow irrigation, like the farmers
that grow rice have? All you need is a laser level and some sheet
plastic for ditch liners.
Or if you simply prefer to spend money, have a small well drilled at
the site needing the water.


You slip that in so nonchalantly... there is no such thing as drilling
a small well on the cheap.
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Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:.

Will likely never hear from that poster again... lots of new large
property owners think exactly the same thing, they are going to pipe
their irrigation water... just won't work unless one spends a LOT of
bucks. Originally I thought I would pipe water but fortunately all I
did was buy ten 100' lengths of 5/8" Swan garden hose... first time I
charged just three lenghts and tried to drag it about I knew I ****ed
up, could give ya a hernia. But that hose was on sale at Lowe's for
$10 each and ten years later I'm still using that hose, some is on my
hose reels, so no loss. I even have two lengths still unused. Each
length came with one of those multi-spray nozzles, cheapo plastic, all
are shit canned... ever you buy a nozzle be sure it's metal.


I also started off with buried lines, i removed the worthless expensive
lines. I now use light weight hoses with quick connect links and use a
garden wagon to move the segments around. I do not use the hose that often
perhaps one a week on average. I had those heavy duty hoses at first, I
have them still, but they can cause a hernia. I like the light weight ones.
It would take more time for me fill barrels and get the tractor out that
for me to use hoses.

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Billy wrote:
In article ,
Nad R wrote:

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Nad R" wrote in message

However I did state that I tend to use a soaker hose that I do not raise
the tail of the hose. The sprayer does not work very good because it does
lack pressure.

If you have low water pressure, I can recommend these:
http://www.greenharvest.com.au/tools...kler_prod.html

The spiky little head in the middle is like a small basket that wobbles.
The wobble action throws the spay quite wide even if the pressure is
woeful.
Here's another variant:
http://www.wobble-tee.com.au/


That is something I did not believe existed. I will look for a local
version first.
Thank for the information on that. The soaker hoses are nice but have their
limitations.


and so does shooting water into the air. You must have water to burn.


My well has never gone dry and have let it runs for hours on end. However,
I do not use the hose that often. Just between rains and when the rain
barrels run dry.
My barrels are now dry as of today. I am hoping for rain soon. Only a 30%
chance of rain for today and tomorrow. I estimate running my well, filters,
salt and power cost no more than twenty dollars per month.

Michigan is not like California, fresh water is cheap and plentiful here.
The reason people do not like Michigan is the long cold winters.

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James wrote:
thanks for all the helpful posts....... I think that the 1 inch
polypipe is the way to go !!

James


James

Could I make a couple of suggestions.

Don't change nyms from one part of a thread to another, nobody will know
that you are the OP.

Answer some of the questions and provide more information. You haven't
said where the water is coming from or how much you need at the destination.
You haven't given us enough to make a guess if 1" polypipe will in fact be
adequate. You don't want to go to the trouble of buying and laying the pipe
to discover that it doesn't work.

If the inlet pressure is not very high 1" may be too narrow to give the
outlet flow you want, if it is going up hill you might get a tiny flow at
the outlet or none at all. Also 1" has a tendency to kink and get flattened
very easily. If using 1" DON'T use push fittings (bayonet fittings) they
will pop off all the time if put under pressure, use the more expensive
fittings that clamp the pipe with a nut.

A knowledgeable irrigation equipment supplier will be able to advise you
correctly, whether such is available near you is another issue.

David

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Thanks David, and the others. First, I don't know what a "nym" is, but
sorry....

My faucets at the cabin are based on the cabin water system, which is a
well, with a pressure tank in the basement. I get good pressure (60 psi),
and the poly pipe will not go uphill.

As for drilling a new well, come on guys, I am talking about watering a few
plants and bushes, I just dont' want to constantly drag hoses around. That
is all that this is about. I do appreciate all the help, and I think that
the polypipe is my best bet, although David's last comments may make me
consider smaller, perhaps 3/4 inch. BTW, I don't need much pressure at
the end, just enough to do some light watering.

James




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Steve Barker wrote:
On 6/30/2011 11:00 PM, Bob F wrote:
Steve Barker wrote:
On 6/30/2011 9:22 AM, Bob F wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
80 cents a foot? That's more pricey than garden hose?

A 500 foot garden hose isn't going to pass much water.



it'll pass as much water as a same sized poly or pvc.


Exactly. That's why you use larger poly or PVC than the common
garden hose.


OR you could use a larger garden hose. duh.


Do you have a 1" or 1.5" garden hose?


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Nad R wrote:
Michigan is not like California, fresh water is cheap and plentiful
here. The reason people do not like Michigan is the long cold winters.


I don't like Michigan because of the climate. Hot and humid summers, cold
winters.


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Brooklyn1 wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 22:42:57 -0700, SMS
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On 6/29/2011 4:30 PM, James Nipper wrote:

Any ideas of what I should look for, or use ? Any general ideas
of how to accomplish what I am trying to do ?


Remember that PVC pipe deteriorates in the sun unless painted.

Buy 20' lengths of 1" PVC at an irrigation supply house, don't go to
Home Depot or Lowe's.


For a large job such as described by the OP 20' lenghts will cause
lots of leaking problems, and short lengths can't be laid by
machine... Home Depot, Lowes, and any plumbing supply emporium sells
tubing in spools of several hundred feet. You can buy 300' rolls of
1" PVC from Amazon with free shipping:
http://www.amazon.com/Genova-Product...ef=pd_sim_ol_2

Would still be easier and less costly to haul water as needed.


That's poly, not PVC.


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James wrote:
Thanks David, and the others. First, I don't know what a "nym" is,
but sorry....

My faucets at the cabin are based on the cabin water system, which is
a well, with a pressure tank in the basement. I get good pressure (60 psi),
and the poly pipe will not go uphill.

As for drilling a new well, come on guys, I am talking about watering
a few plants and bushes, I just dont' want to constantly drag hoses
around. That is all that this is about. I do appreciate all the
help, and I think that the polypipe is my best bet, although David's
last comments may make me consider smaller, perhaps 3/4 inch. BTW, I don't
need much pressure at the end, just enough to do some
light watering.


My recommendation - stick with the 1". You won't get much pressure/volume
through the 3/4". The cost difference is not that big.



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On 7/1/2011 5:23 PM, Bob F wrote:
Brooklyn1 wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 22:42:57 -0700,
wrote:

On 6/29/2011 4:30 PM, James Nipper wrote:

Any ideas of what I should look for, or use ? Any general ideas
of how to accomplish what I am trying to do ?

Remember that PVC pipe deteriorates in the sun unless painted.

Buy 20' lengths of 1" PVC at an irrigation supply house, don't go to
Home Depot or Lowe's.


For a large job such as described by the OP 20' lenghts will cause
lots of leaking problems, and short lengths can't be laid by
machine... Home Depot, Lowes, and any plumbing supply emporium sells
tubing in spools of several hundred feet. You can buy 300' rolls of
1" PVC from Amazon with free shipping:
http://www.amazon.com/Genova-Product...ef=pd_sim_ol_2

Would still be easier and less costly to haul water as needed.


That's poly, not PVC.



I would definitely avoid the poly unless he wants to be replacing it
every couple of years.

If you glue couplers properly there will be no leaks.

It's UV deterioration that he needs to worry about. When PVC is
installed exposed to the sun it needs to be painted.

Flexible PVC would also work, but it's not intended to be under pressure
all the time, and it's for non-potable water. 100' lengths. It's pretty
expensive though. It'd be the easiest to install.

I often see very long runs of pipe in state parks where they are running
water to a campground. It's always iron pipe.

http://flexpvc.com/
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