rabbit manure question
Picked up some rabbit manure, it is mixed with straw and wood shaving. what
is best way to use in vegetable garden? can i simply till it into soil? any advise appreciated. |
rabbit manure question
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rabbit manure question
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rabbit manure question
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rabbit manure question
On 4/23/2013 10:22 PM, songbird wrote:
wrote: Picked up some rabbit manure, it is mixed with straw and wood shaving. what is best way to use in vegetable garden? can i simply till it into soil? any advise appreciated. no need to till it and scatter it all over the place. also, no need to leave any of it on the surface subject to wind and rain. run a small trench along the row or use holes to bury some near the planting spots of select plants. different plants feed at different levels. this way you can maximize the effectiveness and not waste it to the wind or rain. songbird I have a friend who live out in the country and they have chickens. I was wondering how long chicken manure has to compost before it can be used in my tomato garden? They don't have any rabbits, so I thought I'd ask about the chicken manure. -- Natural Girl |
rabbit manure question
Natural Girl wrote:
On 4/23/2013 10:22 PM, songbird wrote: wrote: Picked up some rabbit manure, it is mixed with straw and wood shaving. what is best way to use in vegetable garden? can i simply till it into soil? any advise appreciated. no need to till it and scatter it all over the place. also, no need to leave any of it on the surface subject to wind and rain. run a small trench along the row or use holes to bury some near the planting spots of select plants. different plants feed at different levels. this way you can maximize the effectiveness and not waste it to the wind or rain. songbird I have a friend who live out in the country and they have chickens. I was wondering how long chicken manure has to compost before it can be used in my tomato garden? They don't have any rabbits, so I thought I'd ask about the chicken manure. Same issues as with rabbit, it is a valuable resource but you need to be a little careful. Fresh chicken manure is "hot", that means it contains soluble compounds that if applied too heavily will damage plants (ie "burn" them). Either apply it in small quantities not actually on the plant (in trenches as Bird says), mix with other organic material (eg sawdust, wood shavings, straw etc) or compost it first. I favour the second. Generally I make up a mixture of chook with compost, composting material, lime and other goodies and apply that once or twice a year. This way you improve the chances of the soluble and volatile compounds getting into and being bound by the garden bed soil rather than making the grass grow better downhill from the compost heap. David |
rabbit manure question
David Hare-Scott wrote:
Natural Girl wrote: On 4/23/2013 10:22 PM, songbird wrote: wrote: Picked up some rabbit manure, it is mixed with straw and wood shaving. what is best way to use in vegetable garden? can i simply till it into soil? any advise appreciated. no need to till it and scatter it all over the place. also, no need to leave any of it on the surface subject to wind and rain. run a small trench along the row or use holes to bury some near the planting spots of select plants. different plants feed at different levels. this way you can maximize the effectiveness and not waste it to the wind or rain. songbird I have a friend who live out in the country and they have chickens. I was wondering how long chicken manure has to compost before it can be used in my tomato garden? They don't have any rabbits, so I thought I'd ask about the chicken manure. Same issues as with rabbit, it is a valuable resource but you need to be a little careful. Fresh chicken manure is "hot", that means it contains soluble compounds that if applied too heavily will damage plants (ie "burn" them). Either apply it in small quantities not actually on the plant (in trenches as Bird says), mix with other organic material (eg sawdust, wood shavings, straw etc) or compost it first. I favour the second. Generally I make up a mixture of chook with compost, composting material, lime and other goodies and apply that once or twice a year. This way you improve the chances of the soluble and volatile compounds getting into and being bound by the garden bed soil rather than making the grass grow better downhill from the compost heap. Thank you, David, for the info. How long do you think it should it be composted before it's safe to use it? -- Natural Girl |
rabbit manure question
"Natural Girl" wrote:
How long do you think it should it be composted before it's safe to use it? All manure needs to be composted a minimum of one year before used in a garden. When too fresh it will damage plant roots so by the time it composts in the ground and your plant roots heal enough that they would be able to use its nutrients most will have washed away from rain/watering. The best way to use manure is to have it well composted, turn it into a weak tea, and then apply judiciously about once every ten days. Applying fresh manure directly to soil does more harm than good. |
rabbit manure question
Brooklyn1 wrote:
"Natural Girl" wrote: How long do you think it should it be composted before it's safe to use it? All manure needs to be composted a minimum of one year before used in a garden. When too fresh it will damage plant roots so by the time it composts in the ground and your plant roots heal enough that they would be able to use its nutrients most will have washed away from rain/watering. The best way to use manure is to have it well composted, turn it into a weak tea, and then apply judiciously about once every ten days. Applying fresh manure directly to soil does more harm than good. Thanks! I think my friends have a pile of manure that's composting that's been there a while. They have to put it somewhere. I'll ask them. -- Natural Girl |
rabbit manure question
Natural Girl wrote:
David Hare-Scott wrote: Natural Girl wrote: On 4/23/2013 10:22 PM, songbird wrote: wrote: Picked up some rabbit manure, it is mixed with straw and wood shaving. what is best way to use in vegetable garden? can i simply till it into soil? any advise appreciated. no need to till it and scatter it all over the place. also, no need to leave any of it on the surface subject to wind and rain. run a small trench along the row or use holes to bury some near the planting spots of select plants. different plants feed at different levels. this way you can maximize the effectiveness and not waste it to the wind or rain. songbird I have a friend who live out in the country and they have chickens. I was wondering how long chicken manure has to compost before it can be used in my tomato garden? They don't have any rabbits, so I thought I'd ask about the chicken manure. Same issues as with rabbit, it is a valuable resource but you need to be a little careful. Fresh chicken manure is "hot", that means it contains soluble compounds that if applied too heavily will damage plants (ie "burn" them). Either apply it in small quantities not actually on the plant (in trenches as Bird says), mix with other organic material (eg sawdust, wood shavings, straw etc) or compost it first. I favour the second. Generally I make up a mixture of chook with compost, composting material, lime and other goodies and apply that once or twice a year. This way you improve the chances of the soluble and volatile compounds getting into and being bound by the garden bed soil rather than making the grass grow better downhill from the compost heap. Thank you, David, for the info. How long do you think it should it be composted before it's safe to use it? Zero. David |
rabbit manure question
Brooklyn1 wrote:
"Natural Girl" wrote: How long do you think it should it be composted before it's safe to use it? All manure needs to be composted a minimum of one year before used in a garden. Not true. I have broken this rule constantly for decades and never damaged a plant or anything else. When too fresh it will damage plant roots Only if it is a "hot" compost like rabbit or bird AND if it is applied too close and too heavily. I apply "cool" manure to mature plants while it is still warm out of the horse. The plant all thrive. This supplies digested organics and some nutrients at the same time. so by the time it composts in the ground and your plant roots heal enough that they would be able to use its nutrients most will have washed away from rain/watering. This is completely illogical. How do reckon the solubles leach out in the garden soil more than spending a year in a compost heap? Ever noticed that downhill from your compost heap the grass grows extra lush? That's where half your soluble nutrients go during that year. And a large amount blows off into the atmosphere as well. The best way to use manure is to have it well composted, turn it into a weak tea, and then apply judiciously about once every ten days. Fertilising twenty times during a summer growing season is a complete waste of time when once or twice will suffice. First you want to lose most of the solubles composting for a year and now you want to extract the rest into water and apply that. What do you do with the solid residue - put it out in the municipal waste? What happened to idea that compost also supplied organic solids which are just as valuable as the solubles? Oh so you don't toss out the residue you put it on the garden too. In that case why bother making the tea in first place when you could have put it on whole? The solubles then have to bind to your soil somehow if you don't want them leached out, why extract them in the first place? You would slow the release and save much waste if you quit this whole rigmarole. You have quite missed the point about compost tea. This possible takes the record for the most confused, labour intensive and wasteful system of manure use I have ever heard of. Applying fresh manure directly to soil does more harm than good. Only if you are clumsy and heavy handed. David |
rabbit manure question
David Hare-Scott wrote:
Natural Girl wrote: .... Thank you, David, for the info. How long do you think it should it be composted before it's safe to use it? Zero. put it down in several layers for tomatoes and the plants will have food all season as they get bigger and send roots deeper. this also encourages drought resistance. i make the top layers smaller than those down deeper. i want to encourage the plant to grow roots down deep. if you put too many nutrients up top then the plant will not send as many roots deeper and be vulnerable to dry spells. songbird |
rabbit manure question
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
... Brooklyn1 wrote: "Natural Girl" wrote: How long do you think it should it be composted before it's safe to use it? All manure needs to be composted a minimum of one year before used in a garden. Not true. I have broken this rule constantly for decades and never damaged a plant or anything else. Same here. I use both horse and chook fresh but I don't dump either of them on tender young seedlings. Established bushes don't care aobut either of them beign put aroudn their bases (so long as they aren't Australian native bushes). When too fresh it will damage plant roots Only if it is a "hot" compost like rabbit or bird AND if it is applied too close and too heavily. And even that works wonders on poor 'soil'. We bought in some 'soil' a dit was THE most pathetic stuff and didnt' gorw anythign well. A good cleaning of the chook pens had about 5 wheelbarrows full put onto this ghastly stuff and raked across it . Now the soil really is soil and all the plants growing roudn the edges of that bed (perennial spincah, strawberries, kale, rhubarb, silver beet) are lookign much healthier and still gowing despite it being Autumn here. I apply "cool" manure to mature plants while it is still warm out of the horse. The plant all thrive. This supplies digested organics and some nutrients at the same time. That's been my experience with horse poo too. Applying fresh manure directly to soil does more harm than good. Only if you are clumsy and heavy handed. Yup. If I hadn't applied my chook poo cleanings to the bed of bought in 'soil', it'd still be devoid of worms and as lifleess as a slab of concrete. |
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