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David Hare-Scott[_2_] 18-11-2013 03:48 AM

yippee rain!
 
Last week a couple of solid falls now overnight 104 mm. This is after 3
months without one fall more than a spit. I may get some fresh goodies from
the garden for Xmas after all. The pasture has greened-up, the horses are
smiling....

D



David E. Ross[_2_] 18-11-2013 04:21 AM

yippee rain!
 
On 11/17/2013 7:48 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Last week a couple of solid falls now overnight 104 mm. This is after 3
months without one fall more than a spit. I may get some fresh goodies from
the garden for Xmas after all. The pasture has greened-up, the horses are
smiling....

D


Where are you? Can you send some rain towards southern California?

Until 10 October, we went 155 days without measurable rain. That is NOT
unusual. Sometimes, we go over 200 days.

Since 10 October, we have had 0.06 inches (1.5 mm). The most recent was
4 November, with 0.03 inches (0.8 mm).

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean, see
http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

songbird[_2_] 18-11-2013 02:43 PM

yippee rain!
 
David Hare-Scott wrote:

Last week a couple of solid falls now overnight 104 mm. This is after 3
months without one fall more than a spit. I may get some fresh goodies from
the garden for Xmas after all. The pasture has greened-up, the horses are
smiling....


i'm glad you've finally got some rain there.
i was going to say down there, but do you consider
yourself down? :)

we've managed fairly regular rains the past
month, including last nights major storms (parts
further south of us had tornado weather). it
must not have blown above 100km/hr as the house
didn't shake, much, but for a while i had to get
up a few times and find the bottles in the window
shelves that were rattling (adjustable stained
glass windows :) ). the driving rain was hard
enough to push through the front door and i had
to wipe that up and left a towel on the floor to
keep it from running. probably only around 30-
40mm of rain.


songbird

David Hare-Scott[_2_] 18-11-2013 09:00 PM

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David E. Ross wrote:
On 11/17/2013 7:48 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Last week a couple of solid falls now overnight 104 mm. This is
after 3 months without one fall more than a spit. I may get some
fresh goodies from the garden for Xmas after all. The pasture has
greened-up, the horses are smiling....

D


Where are you? Can you send some rain towards southern California?


East coast Australia north of Newcastle. Not a desert nor a climate with
seasonal rain patterns like monsoonal or Mediterranean!


No! I 'm keeping it.

D


Farm1[_4_] 19-11-2013 03:11 AM

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"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
Last week a couple of solid falls now overnight 104 mm. This is after 3
months without one fall more than a spit. I may get some fresh goodies
from the garden for Xmas after all. The pasture has greened-up, the
horses are smiling....


Congratulations. You must have got some of the weather that hit Sydney and
ended up all over the news. What a bunch of wimps. We love rain events
even if they do nearly always result in our gutters overflowing and thus
flooding our sun room.

We had great rain a few days before and it turned the paddocks green and the
world looked new washed and less crisp underfoot.



Billy[_10_] 21-11-2013 06:44 AM

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In article ,
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:

Last week a couple of solid falls now overnight 104 mm. This is after 3
months without one fall more than a spit. I may get some fresh goodies from
the garden for Xmas after all. The pasture has greened-up, the horses are
smiling....

D


Locally we had an inch of rain (25.4 mm) over night. The first rain
since Feb. when we had .01 inches of rain (0.254mm), which followed a
Jan. of .03 inches (0.762mm). I got my wood in. Let the good times roll.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20131108/articles/131109574
--
Remember Rachel Corrie
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

Welcome to the New America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg

John McGaw 21-11-2013 01:52 PM

yippee rain!
 
On 11/17/2013 10:48 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Last week a couple of solid falls now overnight 104 mm. This is after 3
months without one fall more than a spit. I may get some fresh goodies
from the garden for Xmas after all. The pasture has greened-up, the horses
are smiling....

D



Sometimes it seems as if it just oscillates between fire and flood with
intervening droughts, doesn't it? In my area something happened last Spring
and Summer that prevented nut growth so I've got starving squirrels digging
up all of my bulbs to survive, even the toxic Gloriosa were being eaten.
Last Autumn the acorns and hickory nuts were literally lying in drifts
because of the overproduction and the squirrel population exploded in response.

David E. Ross[_2_] 21-11-2013 03:46 PM

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On 11/17/2013 8:21 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 11/17/2013 7:48 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Last week a couple of solid falls now overnight 104 mm. This is after 3
months without one fall more than a spit. I may get some fresh goodies from
the garden for Xmas after all. The pasture has greened-up, the horses are
smiling....

D


Where are you? Can you send some rain towards southern California?

Until 10 October, we went 155 days without measurable rain. That is NOT
unusual. Sometimes, we go over 200 days.

Since 10 October, we have had 0.06 inches (1.5 mm). The most recent was
4 November, with 0.03 inches (0.8 mm).


Hooray. Last night, we got 0.38 inches (9.7 mm).

However, our accumulation for the current rain year (October to
September) is about half of this date last year; and last year was a
very dry year.

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean, see
http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

Higgs Boson 21-11-2013 04:18 PM

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On Thursday, November 21, 2013 7:46:34 AM UTC-8, David E. Ross wrote:
On 11/17/2013 8:21 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/17/2013 7:48 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:


Last week a couple of solid falls now overnight 104 mm. This is after 3


months without one fall more than a spit. I may get some fresh goodies from


the garden for Xmas after all. The pasture has greened-up, the horses are


smiling....




D




Where are you? Can you send some rain towards southern California?




Until 10 October, we went 155 days without measurable rain. That is NOT


unusual. Sometimes, we go over 200 days.




Since 10 October, we have had 0.06 inches (1.5 mm). The most recent was


4 November, with 0.03 inches (0.8 mm).






Hooray. Last night, we got 0.38 inches (9.7 mm).



However, our accumulation for the current rain year (October to

September) is about half of this date last year; and last year was a

very dry year.

On the other side of the mountain, at the beach, maybe we got about that or a tad more. Still way below "normal", pre-global warming.


HB


songbird[_2_] 21-11-2013 05:13 PM

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David E. Ross wrote:
....
Hooray. Last night, we got 0.38 inches (9.7 mm).

However, our accumulation for the current rain year (October to
September) is about half of this date last year; and last year was a
very dry year.


from what i've read (tree ring studies):

the longer term record seems to show that the past 100
years was much wetter than the previous 1900 years. that
we may just be seeing a return to the norm.

if so, yikes for people over there...


songbird

Billy[_10_] 21-11-2013 09:42 PM

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In article ,
songbird wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:
...
Hooray. Last night, we got 0.38 inches (9.7 mm).

However, our accumulation for the current rain year (October to
September) is about half of this date last year; and last year was a
very dry year.


from what i've read (tree ring studies):

the longer term record seems to show that the past 100
years was much wetter than the previous 1900 years. that
we may just be seeing a return to the norm.

if so, yikes for people over there...


songbird


Yeah, they may need to stop washing their cars with garden hoses,
filling swimming pools, and close golf courses for lack of water from
the Colorado River, and Northern California. Such a tragedy.

The up-side is that we could have water for salmon, and farmers.
--
Remember Rachel Corrie
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

Welcome to the New America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg

David Hare-Scott[_2_] 22-11-2013 06:19 AM

yippee rain!
 
John McGaw wrote:
On 11/17/2013 10:48 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Last week a couple of solid falls now overnight 104 mm. This is
after 3 months without one fall more than a spit. I may get some
fresh goodies from the garden for Xmas after all. The pasture has
greened-up, the horses are smiling....

D



Sometimes it seems as if it just oscillates between fire and flood
with intervening droughts, doesn't it?


Yes, its a hard land even without ENSO swings, this last mini-drought was
just another random fluctuation.

As the rains were coming we got a nice lightning storm. The tree on the
hill 200m south coped a strike and my computer's power supply (despite surge
protection) and the fuses on my sewerage plant went. As well we had to get
the house transformer fuses fixed too and the rural fire service to put out
the fire the strike started. It could have been worse, some people lost
most of their appliances (from other strikes).

D



Farm1[_4_] 22-11-2013 08:30 AM

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"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
John McGaw wrote:
On 11/17/2013 10:48 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Last week a couple of solid falls now overnight 104 mm. This is
after 3 months without one fall more than a spit. I may get some
fresh goodies from the garden for Xmas after all. The pasture has
greened-up, the horses are smiling....

D



Sometimes it seems as if it just oscillates between fire and flood
with intervening droughts, doesn't it?


Yes, its a hard land even without ENSO swings, this last mini-drought was
just another random fluctuation.

As the rains were coming we got a nice lightning storm. The tree on the
hill 200m south coped a strike and my computer's power supply (despite
surge protection) and the fuses on my sewerage plant went. As well we had
to get the house transformer fuses fixed too and the rural fire service to
put out the fire the strike started. It could have been worse, some
people lost most of their appliances (from other strikes).


Bugger! None of that sounds like fun. We had a powerful storm last night
and last power for 3 hours just on dinner time. Lucky for us the toilet
operates on gravity feed from a tank on the hill and we have lots of camping
equipment so I brought in a bucket of water and we were right till the power
came back on.

These events seem to have become more regular.



songbird[_2_] 22-11-2013 05:09 PM

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Farm1 wrote:
David Hare-Scott wrote:

....
As the rains were coming we got a nice lightning storm. The tree on the
hill 200m south coped a strike and my computer's power supply (despite
surge protection) and the fuses on my sewerage plant went. As well we had
to get the house transformer fuses fixed too and the rural fire service to
put out the fire the strike started. It could have been worse, some
people lost most of their appliances (from other strikes).


Bugger! None of that sounds like fun.


certainly more exciting than i'd like to be near. for
one a lightning strike that close to the house is loud!
the fire would not be much fun either.


We had a powerful storm last night
and last power for 3 hours just on dinner time. Lucky for us the toilet
operates on gravity feed from a tank on the hill and we have lots of camping
equipment so I brought in a bucket of water and we were right till the power
came back on.


we didn't get hit by the power outages last weekend
from the strong storms that went through, but we did
have a power outage here last night too. something
in the distance arc'd and lit up the sky a few times
while the power went off and on and then it finally
stayed off. four hours later it came back on and
things went back to normal. we always have extra
water stashed away to flush the toilets in case we
have the power go out on us. in the winter i more
worry about heat than anything as it gets cold
enough to freeze pipes and cause damage. we have a
gas fireplace so we can keep ourselves from freezing
but that doesn't heat the crawlspace underneath.


These events seem to have become more regular.


perhaps two very strong hurricanes/typhoons so close
together will finally wake up the governments and peoples
to make much stronger changes... i can sure hope so.

in the meantime i think we're only on the front edge of
this sort of thing, both frequency and strength are likely
to increase for some folks.


songbird

Farm1[_4_] 23-11-2013 04:52 AM

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"songbird" wrote in message
we didn't get hit by the power outages last weekend
from the strong storms that went through, but we did
have a power outage here last night too.


Seems to be ubiquitous.

something
in the distance arc'd and lit up the sky a few times
while the power went off and on and then it finally
stayed off. four hours later it came back on and
things went back to normal. we always have extra
water stashed away to flush the toilets in case we
have the power go out on us. in the winter i more
worry about heat than anything as it gets cold
enough to freeze pipes and cause damage. we have a
gas fireplace so we can keep ourselves from freezing
but that doesn't heat the crawlspace underneath.


We installed another wood burning heater over the past winter and it has
improved out quality of life enormously as a result of selecting just the
right spot to place it.

Luckily for us we don't have temps that (usually) get low enough to freeze
our water pipes but I know why you'd not want that to be happening at your
place. I think we've had our pipes freeze perhaps 4 times in about 20
years. It makes for an uncomfortable morning but that's aoubt all the
inconvenience it gives.

These events seem to have become more regular.


perhaps two very strong hurricanes/typhoons so close
together will finally wake up the governments and peoples
to make much stronger changes... i can sure hope so.


;-) I really do doubt that will happen.

in the meantime i think we're only on the front edge of
this sort of thing, both frequency and strength are likely
to increase for some folks.


Yup.



brooklyn1 23-11-2013 05:17 PM

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"songbird" wrote in message
we didn't get hit by the power outages last weekend
from the strong storms that went through, but we did
have a power outage here last night too.


while the power went off and on and then it finally
stayed off. four hours later it came back on and
things went back to normal. we always have extra
water stashed away to flush the toilets in case we
have the power go out on us. in the winter i more
worry about heat than anything as it gets cold
enough to freeze pipes and cause damage. we have a
gas fireplace so we can keep ourselves from freezing
but that doesn't heat the crawlspace underneath.


An unheated crawl space is not a good place for water pipes. I
suggest closing the crawl space, insulate, and since you already have
a gas supply install a ventless gas heater, they work fantastically
well, need no chimney, and no electric. I have two of them, a 30,000
BTU in my basement and a 10,000 BTU in the tool shed that contains my
well tank. They were a far better option than a generator. Ventless
gas heaters are 99% efficient (no heat goes up a chimney), they are
thermostatically controlled, and have a self contained carbon monoxide
detector that shuts them off when it senses incomplete combustion. At
next to it's lowest setting it maintains my 2,000 sqft basement at
70ºF, I keep the basement door open and at the other end of the house
installed a 6" X 12" register in the hallway floor so it keeps the
entire house at 70ºF too, and this is when it's hovering around 0ºF
outdoors. This winter I'm using the one in my basement in conjuction
with my propane fired boiler for hot water baseboard, it keeps the
boiler from coming on nearly as often as it did previously. This past
May I had a tankless on demand water heater installed (I no longer use
my boiler to make hot water, my boiler will be off from April to
November, my propane bill has already been $500 less than for the same
period in the previous year, it will pay for itself in 18 months. I
thought long and hard about a generator, but I can live without TV/PC
for a few days during a power outage, and during winter I don't need a
fridge/freezer here. For $35 I bought a crank radio that works great,
it will even charge a cell phone battery, and Ray-O-Vac makes
fantastic battery operated lanterns, they give as much light as a 100W
bulb and will run for 80 hours on three D cells... much better than
burning candles. I don't need to squirrel away water for flushing,
even during the coldest winters the creek out front is running, I'm
able to scoop all I need with a 5 gallon contractor's bucket. Anyway,
ventless heaters and tankless water heaters are beautiful things.

songbird[_2_] 23-11-2013 06:28 PM

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Brooklyn1 wrote:
....
An unheated crawl space is not a good place for water pipes.


it is not unheated nor is it open. only when the power goes
out for several days is there any worries (even in the middle
of the winter with sub zero temperatures).

the crawl space is where the heater is at for the
house, stays pretty warm.


I
suggest closing the crawl space, insulate, and since you already have
a gas supply install a ventless gas heater, they work fantastically
well, need no chimney, and no electric. I have two of them, a 30,000
BTU in my basement and a 10,000 BTU in the tool shed that contains my
well tank. They were a far better option than a generator. Ventless
gas heaters are 99% efficient (no heat goes up a chimney), they are
thermostatically controlled, and have a self contained carbon monoxide
detector that shuts them off when it senses incomplete combustion. At
next to it's lowest setting it maintains my 2,000 sqft basement at
70ºF, I keep the basement door open and at the other end of the house
installed a 6" X 12" register in the hallway floor so it keeps the
entire house at 70ºF too, and this is when it's hovering around 0ºF
outdoors. This winter I'm using the one in my basement in conjuction
with my propane fired boiler for hot water baseboard, it keeps the
boiler from coming on nearly as often as it did previously. This past
May I had a tankless on demand water heater installed (I no longer use
my boiler to make hot water, my boiler will be off from April to
November, my propane bill has already been $500 less than for the same
period in the previous year, it will pay for itself in 18 months. I
thought long and hard about a generator, but I can live without TV/PC
for a few days during a power outage, and during winter I don't need a
fridge/freezer here. For $35 I bought a crank radio that works great,
it will even charge a cell phone battery, and Ray-O-Vac makes
fantastic battery operated lanterns, they give as much light as a 100W
bulb and will run for 80 hours on three D cells... much better than
burning candles. I don't need to squirrel away water for flushing,
even during the coldest winters the creek out front is running, I'm
able to scoop all I need with a 5 gallon contractor's bucket. Anyway,
ventless heaters and tankless water heaters are beautiful things.


there are several upgrades i would like to make at
some point in the future, but at present we're as we
are...

we spend about $600-900/yr for heat and to run the
gas fireplace once in a while. the rest of our monthly
costs are electric at about $1200/yr. compared to many
we're quite inexpensive on heating/cooling. if it were
just me i could probably cut those expenses in half or
more.


songbird

songbird[_2_] 23-11-2013 07:29 PM

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Farm1 wrote:
....
We installed another wood burning heater over the past winter and it has
improved out quality of life enormously as a result of selecting just the
right spot to place it.


:) it's nice when it works out well like that.

neither of us can tolerate the smell of smoke.
i sneeze and get plugged up with wood burning
fireplaces. even drifts from the neighbors who
burn wood at times bothers me.

it sucks because i really do like fires and
fireplaces and would love to have an efficient
wood burning stove for heat and hot water also
i'd like to do experiments with biochar and
rocket stoves... all of those become much more
difficult when you can't really tolerate smoke.


Luckily for us we don't have temps that (usually) get low enough to freeze
our water pipes but I know why you'd not want that to be happening at your
place. I think we've had our pipes freeze perhaps 4 times in about 20
years. It makes for an uncomfortable morning but that's aoubt all the
inconvenience it gives.


i don't mind the cold aspect of it nearly as much
as the possible damage to pipes and equipment, but
we've not had an extended outage yet that gets me to
think about draining tanks and putting down anti-
freeze.


songbird

David Hare-Scott[_2_] 23-11-2013 11:57 PM

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Farm1 wrote:
"songbird" wrote in message
we didn't get hit by the power outages last weekend
from the strong storms that went through, but we did
have a power outage here last night too.


Seems to be ubiquitous.

something
in the distance arc'd and lit up the sky a few times
while the power went off and on and then it finally
stayed off. four hours later it came back on and
things went back to normal. we always have extra
water stashed away to flush the toilets in case we
have the power go out on us. in the winter i more
worry about heat than anything as it gets cold
enough to freeze pipes and cause damage. we have a
gas fireplace so we can keep ourselves from freezing
but that doesn't heat the crawlspace underneath.


We installed another wood burning heater over the past winter and it
has improved out quality of life enormously as a result of selecting
just the right spot to place it.

Luckily for us we don't have temps that (usually) get low enough to
freeze our water pipes but I know why you'd not want that to be
happening at your place. I think we've had our pipes freeze perhaps
4 times in about 20 years. It makes for an uncomfortable morning but
that's aoubt all the inconvenience it gives.


You must be up the hill a bit. Anywhere near Nimmitabel? Numbugga perhaps?

D


John McGaw 24-11-2013 01:01 AM

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On 11/23/2013 6:57 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
snip...

You must be up the hill a bit. Anywhere near Nimmitabel? Numbugga perhaps?

D


Nah, mate. About half way between Intercourse and Blue Ball as the common
blackbird flies... ;-)

David Hare-Scott[_2_] 24-11-2013 02:56 AM

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John McGaw wrote:
On 11/23/2013 6:57 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
snip...

You must be up the hill a bit. Anywhere near Nimmitabel? Numbugga
perhaps?

D


Nah, mate. About half way between Intercourse and Blue Ball as the
common blackbird flies... ;-)


Now you will have people thinking I made up those names.

D

Higgs Boson 24-11-2013 07:23 AM

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On Saturday, November 23, 2013 6:56:38 PM UTC-8, David Hare-Scott wrote:
John McGaw wrote:

On 11/23/2013 6:57 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:


snip...




You must be up the hill a bit. Anywhere near Nimmitabel? Numbugga


perhaps?




D




Nah, mate. About half way between Intercourse and Blue Ball as the


common blackbird flies... ;-)




Now you will have people thinking I made up those names.



D


Possible explanation:

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/26900

HB

brooklyn1 24-11-2013 01:25 PM

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"David Hare-Scott" wrote:
John McGaw wrote:
David Hare-Scott wrote:

You must be up the hill a bit. Anywhere near Nimmitabel? Numbugga
perhaps?


Nah, mate. About half way between Intercourse and Blue Ball as the
common blackbird flies... ;-)


Now you will have people thinking I made up those names.


There's Intercourse, Pennsylvania.
I live in Climax, New York.

John McGaw 24-11-2013 07:02 PM

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On 11/23/2013 9:56 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
John McGaw wrote:
On 11/23/2013 6:57 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
snip...

You must be up the hill a bit. Anywhere near Nimmitabel? Numbugga
perhaps?
D


Nah, mate. About half way between Intercourse and Blue Ball as the
common blackbird flies... ;-)


Now you will have people thinking I made up those names.

D


I knew that Numbugga was for real, having run across it before, and I
figured that Nimmatabel must be (a booming metropolis of 200+ as I see now)
since, who could make such a thing up. Of course Intercourse and Blue Ball
are real too and are just about 10km from each other by road. Your two
towns are much further.

Maybe I'll get a chance to visit them both some day. Hope so anyway.

PS: it was only recently that the source of Nullarbor finally hit me so I
might be a bit slow.

Farm1[_4_] 26-11-2013 07:33 PM

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"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
Farm1 wrote:
"songbird" wrote in message
we didn't get hit by the power outages last weekend
from the strong storms that went through, but we did
have a power outage here last night too.


Seems to be ubiquitous.

something
in the distance arc'd and lit up the sky a few times
while the power went off and on and then it finally
stayed off. four hours later it came back on and
things went back to normal. we always have extra
water stashed away to flush the toilets in case we
have the power go out on us. in the winter i more
worry about heat than anything as it gets cold
enough to freeze pipes and cause damage. we have a
gas fireplace so we can keep ourselves from freezing
but that doesn't heat the crawlspace underneath.


We installed another wood burning heater over the past winter and it
has improved out quality of life enormously as a result of selecting
just the right spot to place it.

Luckily for us we don't have temps that (usually) get low enough to
freeze our water pipes but I know why you'd not want that to be
happening at your place. I think we've had our pipes freeze perhaps
4 times in about 20 years. It makes for an uncomfortable morning but
that's aoubt all the inconvenience it gives.


You must be up the hill a bit. Anywhere near Nimmitabel? Numbugga
perhaps?


No, not near either of those, but I do like the bread shop at Nimmitabel.



Farm1[_4_] 26-11-2013 07:41 PM

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"John McGaw" wrote in message
...
On 11/23/2013 9:56 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
John McGaw wrote:
On 11/23/2013 6:57 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
snip...

You must be up the hill a bit. Anywhere near Nimmitabel? Numbugga
perhaps?
D

Nah, mate. About half way between Intercourse and Blue Ball as the
common blackbird flies... ;-)


Now you will have people thinking I made up those names.

D


I knew that Numbugga was for real, having run across it before, and I
figured that Nimmatabel must be (a booming metropolis of 200+ as I see
now) since, who could make such a thing up. Of course Intercourse and Blue
Ball are real too and are just about 10km from each other by road. Your
two towns are much further.

Maybe I'll get a chance to visit them both some day. Hope so anyway.

PS: it was only recently that the source of Nullarbor finally hit me so I
might be a bit slow.


LOL. Would I be right in thinking that you might not like doing cryptic
crosswords???

Nullarbor has always sounded to me like it should be a crossword clue
(cryptic or otherwise) but I guess it's no help that we don't pronounce it
the way it should be done. Saying what sounds like Nulla Bore makes it
sound like an Aboriginal word rather than like Latin.



SteveB[_12_] 26-11-2013 09:02 PM

yippee rain!
 
Been raining in sw utah for a week, and just ended. Take it all away.


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