Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast.

Palm tree on hill
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg

Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg

Guv Bob wrote:
Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast.

Palm tree on hill
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg


Very hard to see much in that photo, even if using a phone or similar low
tech camera you can make your pictures better by *not* shooting into the
light. Also try to get some close-ups showing more detail of leaves, buds,
flowers etc, as well as the general one.

My guess is a yucca.

David

On 1/27/2014 9:24 PM, Guv Bob wrote:

Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast.

Palm tree on hill
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg

Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries.
It's covered with these red berries every year about this time.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg


I don't know about the "palm", but I am sure the other one is NOT an
ash. I have an ash. The seeds are slightly similar to the keys of a
maple, dry with a wing; there are no berries.

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean, see
http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

Guv Bob said:


Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast.

Palm tree on hill
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg

It's not a 'palm' but perhaps some sort of Dracena or Yucca.

Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's
covered with
these red berries every year about this time.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg

That's not a green ash (Fraxinus pennsylvanica) or evergreen ash (F. uhdei).
Fraxinus sp. do not have berries.

It's possible that it's some sort of Sorbus (mountain ash).

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"Guv Bob" writes:
Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast.

Palm tree on hill
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg

Not sure what it is, but it looks like it should be related to
yucca.


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last resort of the scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened
but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first.
-- Ambrose Bierce

On 1/27/2014 9:24 PM, Guv Bob wrote:
Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast.

Palm tree on hill
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg

Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg


Does the "palm" have a onion-like bulbous base on the surface of the
soil? If so, it might be a ponytail palm (Nolina recurvata). Wikipedia
says that Nolina recurvata is now known as Beaucarnea recurvata.

The plant might instead be some other species of Nolina or Beaucarnea.
Some botanists place the both genera in the agave family; others place
them in the asparagus family. (This is easily understood when you
notice that a young flower stalk of an agave starts out looking like a
giant asparagus spear.)

Today, during my usual Tuesday morning shift as a docent at Gardens of
the World (Thousand Oaks, CA), I notice the trunk of the young ponytail
palm in the Japanese Garden resembled your "palm" photo. They both have
the same banding around the trunk and similar leaves.

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean, see
http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

"David E. Ross" wrote in message ...
On 1/27/2014 9:24 PM, Guv Bob wrote:
Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast.

Palm tree on hill
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg

Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg


Does the "palm" have a onion-like bulbous base on the surface of the
soil? If so, it might be a ponytail palm (Nolina recurvata). Wikipedia
says that Nolina recurvata is now known as Beaucarnea recurvata.

The plant might instead be some other species of Nolina or Beaucarnea.
Some botanists place the both genera in the agave family; others place
them in the asparagus family. (This is easily understood when you
notice that a young flower stalk of an agave starts out looking like a
giant asparagus spear.)

Today, during my usual Tuesday morning shift as a docent at Gardens of
the World (Thousand Oaks, CA), I notice the trunk of the young ponytail
palm in the Japanese Garden resembled your "palm" photo. They both have
the same banding around the trunk and similar leaves.

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean, see
http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

Thanks David. I checked out all the types you mention. Definitely not ponytail palm - leaves are all stiff and don't hang down, and no enlarged shapes at the ground. Will keep looking and post when I find out.

Any idea of a ID website for these types of plants? Lots of them for oaks, pines, etc., but I don't see much for desert plants.

Guv Bob wrote:
"David E. Ross" wrote in message
...
On 1/27/2014 9:24 PM, Guv Bob wrote:
Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast.

Palm tree on hill
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg

Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries.
It's covered with these red berries every year about this time.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg


Does the "palm" have a onion-like bulbous base on the surface of the
soil? If so, it might be a ponytail palm (Nolina recurvata).
Wikipedia says that Nolina recurvata is now known as Beaucarnea
recurvata.

The plant might instead be some other species of Nolina or
Beaucarnea. Some botanists place the both genera in the agave
family; others place them in the asparagus family. (This is easily
understood when you notice that a young flower stalk of an agave
starts out looking like a giant asparagus spear.)

Today, during my usual Tuesday morning shift as a docent at Gardens
of the World (Thousand Oaks, CA), I notice the trunk of the young
ponytail palm in the Japanese Garden resembled your "palm" photo.
They both have the same banding around the trunk and similar leaves.

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean, see
http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

Thanks David. I checked out all the types you mention. Definitely
not ponytail palm - leaves are all stiff and don't hang down, and no
enlarged shapes at the ground. Will keep looking and post when I
find out.

Any idea of a ID website for these types of plants? Lots of them for
oaks, pines, etc., but I don't see much for desert plants.

It isn't necessarily a desert plant, there are quite a few with strappy
leafs like that from sub-tropical and forest regions. Similarly 'palms' or
palm-looking plants don't all come from tropical islands, some grow quite
well in areas where there is frost in winter, some in arid conditions and
some in wet.

I suggest getting some better photos and then going through the suggestions
that have been given to you on google images to compare the pics with named
examples until you find a match. Did you look up 'yucca' or any of the
others mentioned?

There are several web-based search engines designed for the purpose of
identifying plants, eg:

http://www.colby.edu/info.tech/BI211/PlantFamilyID.html

However these require more information than you seem to have.


D

On 1/29/2014 4:51 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
some grow quite well in areas where there is frost in winter, some in arid
conditions and some in wet

No doubt about that -- I saw palms (real palms) growing in coastal western
Scotland when I was hiking there. I was wet and freezing my arse off in the
cold rain and wind but the trees didn't seem to care.

On 1/28/2014 12:24 AM, Guv Bob wrote:
Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast.

Palm tree on hill
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg

Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg


http://www.wikihow.com/Identify-Palm-Trees

"Guv Bob" wrote in message m...
Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast.

Palm tree on hill
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg

Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries. It's covered with these red berries every year about this time.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg

More photos. Maybe a little better quality.

15-ft tall. Close up of trunk.
http://imageshack.com/a/img34/7793/fl7t.jpg

4-ft tall. About 3-4 years old
http://imageshack.com/a/img841/7144/wfve.jpg

8-ft tall. First one on the hill. Best photo possible with cloudy weather.
http://imageshack.com/a/img14/1787/ccqx.jpg

Guv Bob wrote:
"Guv Bob" wrote in message
m...
Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast.

Palm tree on hill
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg

Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries.
It's covered with these red berries every year about this time.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg

More photos. Maybe a little better quality.

15-ft tall. Close up of trunk.
http://imageshack.com/a/img34/7793/fl7t.jpg

4-ft tall. About 3-4 years old
http://imageshack.com/a/img841/7144/wfve.jpg

8-ft tall. First one on the hill. Best photo possible with cloudy
weather.
http://imageshack.com/a/img14/1787/ccqx.jpg

Still looks like a yucca to me. Have you compared to google images of
yuccas?

D

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message ...
Guv Bob wrote:
"Guv Bob" wrote in message
m...
Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast.

Palm tree on hill
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg

Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries.
It's covered with these red berries every year about this time.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg

More photos. Maybe a little better quality.

15-ft tall. Close up of trunk.
http://imageshack.com/a/img34/7793/fl7t.jpg

4-ft tall. About 3-4 years old
http://imageshack.com/a/img841/7144/wfve.jpg

8-ft tall. First one on the hill. Best photo possible with cloudy
weather.
http://imageshack.com/a/img14/1787/ccqx.jpg

Still looks like a yucca to me. Have you compared to google images of
yuccas?

D

Yes, many images. I think you're right. This yucca elephantipes looks about as close to mine as I could find...
http://www.execuflora.co.za/products/bigstuff/BST013

To give an idea of how fast they have grown, the one with 6 limbs grew from 2-ft to 8-ft in 20 years. The tallest one grew from 5 to 15 ft in the same time. The berries are about 1/2-inch diameter, are green when they fall and then turn orange.

Thanks for the fun discovery trip, everybody!

David Hare-Scott wrote:
Guv Bob wrote:

Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast.

Palm tree on hill
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg

Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries.
It's covered with these red berries every year about this time.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg

More photos. Maybe a little better quality.

15-ft tall. Close up of trunk.
http://imageshack.com/a/img34/7793/fl7t.jpg

4-ft tall. About 3-4 years old
http://imageshack.com/a/img841/7144/wfve.jpg

8-ft tall. First one on the hill. Best photo possible with cloudy
weather.
http://imageshack.com/a/img14/1787/ccqx.jpg

Still looks like a yucca to me. Have you compared to google images of
yuccas?

That's a terrible photo but it could be a joshua tree (which is Yucca
brevifolia), just saying a possiblity, the photo truly sucks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_brevifolia

That's definitely not any kind of ash tree I've ever seen... from that
photo it looks more like [part of] a shrub than any tree.

"Brooklyn1" wrote in message ...
David Hare-Scott wrote:
Guv Bob wrote:

Any idea what this might be? North San Diego near the coast.

Palm tree on hill
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/542/f0cv.jpg

Also, just for fun, here's a shot of a green ash tree with berries.
It's covered with these red berries every year about this time.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/401/w2yw.jpg

More photos. Maybe a little better quality.

15-ft tall. Close up of trunk.
http://imageshack.com/a/img34/7793/fl7t.jpg

4-ft tall. About 3-4 years old
http://imageshack.com/a/img841/7144/wfve.jpg

8-ft tall. First one on the hill. Best photo possible with cloudy
weather.
http://imageshack.com/a/img14/1787/ccqx.jpg

Still looks like a yucca to me. Have you compared to google images of
yuccas?

That's a terrible photo but it could be a joshua tree (which is Yucca
brevifolia), just saying a possiblity, the photo truly sucks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_brevifolia

That's definitely not any kind of ash tree I've ever seen... from that
photo it looks more like [part of] a shrub than any tree.

;O)