What to do with all the leaves?
In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it
I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? |
What to do with all the leaves?
Gus Overton wrote:
In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? Compost them. Any large container will do, or make a heap, perhaps cover initially if they tend to blow around. Some dampness will speed the process. -- David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A better world requires a daily struggle against those who would mislead us. |
What to do with all the leaves?
Gus Overton wrote:
In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? On a windy morning I mowed my leaves with mulching blades and they blew away. |
What to do with all the leaves?
Brooklyn1 writes:
Gus Overton wrote: In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? On a windy morning I mowed my leaves with mulching blades and they blew away. Yeah we saw the pictures of your place. Let some trees grow and come back in 30 years. -- Dan Espen |
What to do with all the leaves?
Gus Overton writes:
In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? Nope, way too much work. My leaf pile is as big as a van. It's behind some bushes. Takes one to 2 years to turn back into dirt. I screen about half the pile each year. -- Dan Espen |
What to do with all the leaves?
On 11/26/2014 5:28 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Gus Overton wrote: In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? Compost them. Any large container will do, or make a heap, perhaps cover initially if they tend to blow around. Some dampness will speed the process. I mulch the beds that do not have ground cover and even some that have frost-sensitive ground cover. I add them to my compost pile, which is actually leafmold because there is little other than leaves. I pile them on my patio and on the paths through my garden. And I fill the garden waste bin for the county's composting program. Most of the leaves are from my ash tree, which is the last to drop its leaves and the first to get new leaves. By the time I have cleared the last pile from the patio and paths, the tree is already fully in leaf. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
What to do with all the leaves?
burying them will help them break down faster if
you have worms and moisture. there is very little reason to burn, but for some reason people think it is a good thing to do. i use leaves to smother areas i hope to replant later with something else. right now i have a start on a replacement strawberry patch that should be ready in a year or two. i don't think i'll be able to get any more leaves down this season, but who knows -- the weather may change and we get some warm days and i can end up with more leaves to put down. songbird |
What to do with all the leaves?
"Love Is the Drug". (Ferry said the song came to him while kicking the leaves during a walk through Hyde Park.)
What is with the eyepatch, and were many stewardesses backup singers in late 70s? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n3OepDn5GU |
What to do with all the leaves?
On 11/26/2014 11:17 PM, songbird wrote:
burying them will help them break down faster if you have worms and moisture. there is very little reason to burn, but for some reason people think it is a good thing to do. i use leaves to smother areas i hope to replant later with something else. right now i have a start on a replacement strawberry patch that should be ready in a year or two. i don't think i'll be able to get any more leaves down this season, but who knows -- the weather may change and we get some warm days and i can end up with more leaves to put down. songbird Hi Songbird, I have a lot of grass to kill in my garden over the winter. How big a pile of leaves would I need to use? Do I water them down to keep them from blowing away? Will it kill the seeds too? -T |
What to do with all the leaves?
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:42:00 -0500, Dan Espen
wrote: Gus Overton writes: In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? Nope, way too much work. My leaf pile is as big as a van. It's behind some bushes. Takes one to 2 years to turn back into dirt. Not if you set fire to the pile. I screen about half the pile each year. |
What to do with all the leaves?
Todd wrote:
.... I have a lot of grass to kill in my garden over the winter. How big a pile of leaves would I need to use? Do I water them down to keep them from blowing away? Will it kill the seeds too? different species of grasses have different abilities and reserves for surviving being smothered. generally, those with larger roots and stolons will be tougher to smother and may take several years. a few months through a winter when the plant may be somewhat dormant anyways is unlikely to accomplish much for the tougher sorts. if you have fairly thin rooted grasses and smaller plants then you may be able to smother them, but i think it does take longer than a few months. depends upon moisture, temps, worms, pill bugs, fungi, etc. it will not "kill" grass seeds, but it may prevent them from sprouting long enough that they can rot and/or be eaten by other critters. i use overlapping chunks of cardboard or other compostable papers and then pile the leaves on top. wetting them down does keep them more in place, but here i started with fairly wet leaves anyways and the rains came. i don't care if they move around anyways. about a foot thick. getting rid of the grasses can be either raked or dug up in chunks. for an established garden i'll dig a fairly deep hole and put the chunks of grasses and roots down in the bottom (turning them root side up). if there are a lot of seeds on the surface i'll scrape them into the hole too and then bury that all deeply enough that it is hard for anything to regrow or sprout. absolutely no need for weed killers or chemicals to prevent seeds from sprouting. mulch over the area will help prevent any stray seeds from having an easy time growing, and those that do sprout and grow will often be easier to remove because they are growing in the mulch and not in the dirt underneath if you can catch them early enough. do not use leaves sucked up by lawnmowers as they often include weed seeds too. if you do have this sort of material available you can hot compost it to help reduce the seed count, but some species are able to even survive that too... i don't hot compost anything here at the moment. the worm bins get things i harvest after i dry them out completely and they don't regrow from that treatment ever. :) songbird |
What to do with all the leaves?
Todd wrote:
I have a 'lot' of grass to kill in my garden over the winter. How big a pile of leaves would I need to use? A lot. |
What to do with all the leaves?
On 11/28/2014 05:28 PM, songbird wrote:
Todd wrote: ... I have a lot of grass to kill in my garden over the winter. How big a pile of leaves would I need to use? Do I water them down to keep them from blowing away? Will it kill the seeds too? different species of grasses have different abilities and reserves for surviving being smothered. generally, those with larger roots and stolons will be tougher to smother and may take several years. a few months through a winter when the plant may be somewhat dormant anyways is unlikely to accomplish much for the tougher sorts. if you have fairly thin rooted grasses and smaller plants then you may be able to smother them, but i think it does take longer than a few months. depends upon moisture, temps, worms, pill bugs, fungi, etc. it will not "kill" grass seeds, but it may prevent them from sprouting long enough that they can rot and/or be eaten by other critters. i use overlapping chunks of cardboard or other compostable papers and then pile the leaves on top. wetting them down does keep them more in place, but here i started with fairly wet leaves anyways and the rains came. i don't care if they move around anyways. about a foot thick. getting rid of the grasses can be either raked or dug up in chunks. for an established garden i'll dig a fairly deep hole and put the chunks of grasses and roots down in the bottom (turning them root side up). if there are a lot of seeds on the surface i'll scrape them into the hole too and then bury that all deeply enough that it is hard for anything to regrow or sprout. absolutely no need for weed killers or chemicals to prevent seeds from sprouting. mulch over the area will help prevent any stray seeds from having an easy time growing, and those that do sprout and grow will often be easier to remove because they are growing in the mulch and not in the dirt underneath if you can catch them early enough. do not use leaves sucked up by lawnmowers as they often include weed seeds too. if you do have this sort of material available you can hot compost it to help reduce the seed count, but some species are able to even survive that too... i don't hot compost anything here at the moment. the worm bins get things i harvest after i dry them out completely and they don't regrow from that treatment ever. :) songbird Thank you! |
What to do with all the leaves?
Peter Jason writes:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:42:00 -0500, Dan Espen wrote: Gus Overton writes: In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? Nope, way too much work. My leaf pile is as big as a van. It's behind some bushes. Takes one to 2 years to turn back into dirt. Not if you set fire to the pile. Right, if I set fire to the leaves, I loose my fence and pay a pretty big fine. Such is life in the suburbs. -- Dan Espen |
What to do with all the leaves?
Peter Jason wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:42:00 -0500, Dan Espen wrote: Gus Overton writes: In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? Nope, way too much work. My leaf pile is as big as a van. It's behind some bushes. Takes one to 2 years to turn back into dirt. Not if you set fire to the pile. Why waste a resource and pollute the air? -- David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A better world requires a daily struggle against those who would mislead us. |
What to do with all the leaves?
On 11/26/2014 7:42 PM, Gus Overton wrote:
In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? They make wonderful mulch to protect delicate plants in winter and to keep weeds down in shrub/flower beds. They are especially good mulch for acid-loving shrubs like azalea and rhododendron. I pile then into my flower beds in fall, just as flowers have been hit by frost and no longer showing live foliage....leaving them piled around the more delicate perennials helps prevent winter damage and when the leaves become wet and pack down, they do a great job of stopping weed growth in spring. By summer, they pretty much break down into nourishment for the plants....or turn them onto a compost pile to build good dirt. |
What to do with all the leaves?
Peter Jason wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:42:00 -0500, Dan Espen wrote: Gus Overton writes: In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? Nope, way too much work. My leaf pile is as big as a van. It's behind some bushes. Takes one to 2 years to turn back into dirt. Not if you set fire to the pile. There are good reasons that is now illegal many places. |
What to do with all the leaves?
On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 09:47:33 -0800, "Bob F"
wrote: Peter Jason wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:42:00 -0500, Dan Espen wrote: Gus Overton writes: In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? Nope, way too much work. My leaf pile is as big as a van. It's behind some bushes. Takes one to 2 years to turn back into dirt. Not if you set fire to the pile. There are good reasons that is now illegal many places. In the County where I live burning leaves is illegal, and carries a very stiff fine; $15,000.00 Can't burn trash, treated scrap lumber and many other combustables... won't be long all wood stoves will be banned. http://www.dec.ny.gov/chemical/58519.html |
What to do with all the leaves?
On 11/30/2014 1:24 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 09:47:33 -0800, "Bob F" wrote: Peter Jason wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:42:00 -0500, Dan Espen wrote: Gus Overton writes: In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? Nope, way too much work. My leaf pile is as big as a van. It's behind some bushes. Takes one to 2 years to turn back into dirt. Not if you set fire to the pile. There are good reasons that is now illegal many places. In the County where I live burning leaves is illegal, and carries a very stiff fine; $15,000.00 Can't burn trash, treated scrap lumber and many other combustables... won't be long all wood stoves will be banned. http://www.dec.ny.gov/chemical/58519.html I live in a small Iowa village and it is perfectly legal to burn your leaves. In fact, we attempted to burn leaves yesterday but they were still a bit wet so most of them did not burn. My neighbor just put in a high dollar outdoor wood stove that is a hot water system to heat his home and his shop. He only needs to put additional wood in it every 4 to 5 days. It also has a 500 gallon water tank above the fire pit and two pumps that circulate the water to the house and/or shop when called by one or both of the thermostats. It is a pretty high tech outfit but on the downside it cost $8,000 plus. :-( |
What to do with all the leaves?
Once upon a time on usenet IGot2P wrote:
On 11/30/2014 1:24 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 09:47:33 -0800, "Bob F" wrote: Peter Jason wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:42:00 -0500, Dan Espen wrote: Gus Overton writes: In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? Nope, way too much work. My leaf pile is as big as a van. It's behind some bushes. Takes one to 2 years to turn back into dirt. Not if you set fire to the pile. There are good reasons that is now illegal many places. In the County where I live burning leaves is illegal, and carries a very stiff fine; $15,000.00 Can't burn trash, treated scrap lumber and many other combustables... won't be long all wood stoves will be banned. http://www.dec.ny.gov/chemical/58519.html I live in a small Iowa village and it is perfectly legal to burn your leaves. In fact, we attempted to burn leaves yesterday but they were still a bit wet so most of them did not burn. My neighbor just put in a high dollar outdoor wood stove that is a hot water system to heat his home and his shop. He only needs to put additional wood in it every 4 to 5 days. It also has a 500 gallon water tank above the fire pit and two pumps that circulate the water to the house and/or shop when called by one or both of the thermostats. It is a pretty high tech outfit but on the downside it cost $8,000 plus. :-( IMO it would have made a lot more sense to have used that amount of money to install efficient heat pump based heating (which could also act as AC if needed). -- Shaun. "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a cozy little classification in the DSM." David Melville (in r.a.s.f1) |
What to do with all the leaves?
it just so happened the other day some friends brought
by some of the leaves they've raked from their yard. i had cardboard and stuff to put down first to smother some weeds and then topped the area with the leaves. by next fall it will probably start to be colonized by strawberry plants. the whole area is full of plants i don't want to keep taking over so this is a good use of both cardboard and leaves. we'll be trying out some other material to use as a root/stolon barrier for the weeds/grasses which keep coming in from the drainage ditch (including horsetail). each year i keep saying i don't want to spend much time back there because of how it is so poorly situated it just begs for making more work. so instead of feeding the time sink i want to work on other stuff which is further in from the borders and can be more easily defended and doesn't take that much time to do. once we get a proper root/stolon barrier down then i don't mind taking care of a garden because it becomes so much easier. and if it is mulched that is even better. songbird |
What to do with all the leaves?
~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet IGot2P wrote: On 11/30/2014 1:24 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 09:47:33 -0800, "Bob F" wrote: Peter Jason wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:42:00 -0500, Dan Espen wrote: Gus Overton writes: In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? Nope, way too much work. My leaf pile is as big as a van. It's behind some bushes. Takes one to 2 years to turn back into dirt. Not if you set fire to the pile. There are good reasons that is now illegal many places. In the County where I live burning leaves is illegal, and carries a very stiff fine; $15,000.00 Can't burn trash, treated scrap lumber and many other combustables... won't be long all wood stoves will be banned. http://www.dec.ny.gov/chemical/58519.html I live in a small Iowa village and it is perfectly legal to burn your leaves. In fact, we attempted to burn leaves yesterday but they were still a bit wet so most of them did not burn. My neighbor just put in a high dollar outdoor wood stove that is a hot water system to heat his home and his shop. He only needs to put additional wood in it every 4 to 5 days. It also has a 500 gallon water tank above the fire pit and two pumps that circulate the water to the house and/or shop when called by one or both of the thermostats. It is a pretty high tech outfit but on the downside it cost $8,000 plus. :-( IMO it would have made a lot more sense to have used that amount of money to install efficient heat pump based heating (which could also act as AC if needed). I think that would depend on his wood source and electrical costs. |
What to do with all the leaves?
Once upon a time on usenet Bob F wrote:
~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet IGot2P wrote: On 11/30/2014 1:24 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 09:47:33 -0800, "Bob F" wrote: Peter Jason wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:42:00 -0500, Dan Espen wrote: Gus Overton writes: In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? Nope, way too much work. My leaf pile is as big as a van. It's behind some bushes. Takes one to 2 years to turn back into dirt. Not if you set fire to the pile. There are good reasons that is now illegal many places. In the County where I live burning leaves is illegal, and carries a very stiff fine; $15,000.00 Can't burn trash, treated scrap lumber and many other combustables... won't be long all wood stoves will be banned. http://www.dec.ny.gov/chemical/58519.html I live in a small Iowa village and it is perfectly legal to burn your leaves. In fact, we attempted to burn leaves yesterday but they were still a bit wet so most of them did not burn. My neighbor just put in a high dollar outdoor wood stove that is a hot water system to heat his home and his shop. He only needs to put additional wood in it every 4 to 5 days. It also has a 500 gallon water tank above the fire pit and two pumps that circulate the water to the house and/or shop when called by one or both of the thermostats. It is a pretty high tech outfit but on the downside it cost $8,000 plus. :-( IMO it would have made a lot more sense to have used that amount of money to install efficient heat pump based heating (which could also act as AC if needed). I think that would depend on his wood source and electrical costs. Indeed. I think that we can assume that electricity will always be available..... -- Shaun. "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a cozy little classification in the DSM." David Melville (in r.a.s.f1) |
What to do with all the leaves?
On 12/8/2014 12:11 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Bob F wrote: ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet IGot2P wrote: On 11/30/2014 1:24 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 09:47:33 -0800, "Bob F" wrote: Peter Jason wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:42:00 -0500, Dan Espen wrote: Gus Overton writes: In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? Nope, way too much work. My leaf pile is as big as a van. It's behind some bushes. Takes one to 2 years to turn back into dirt. Not if you set fire to the pile. There are good reasons that is now illegal many places. In the County where I live burning leaves is illegal, and carries a very stiff fine; $15,000.00 Can't burn trash, treated scrap lumber and many other combustables... won't be long all wood stoves will be banned. http://www.dec.ny.gov/chemical/58519.html I live in a small Iowa village and it is perfectly legal to burn your leaves. In fact, we attempted to burn leaves yesterday but they were still a bit wet so most of them did not burn. My neighbor just put in a high dollar outdoor wood stove that is a hot water system to heat his home and his shop. He only needs to put additional wood in it every 4 to 5 days. It also has a 500 gallon water tank above the fire pit and two pumps that circulate the water to the house and/or shop when called by one or both of the thermostats. It is a pretty high tech outfit but on the downside it cost $8,000 plus. :-( IMO it would have made a lot more sense to have used that amount of money to install efficient heat pump based heating (which could also act as AC if needed). I think that would depend on his wood source and electrical costs. Indeed. I think that we can assume that electricity will always be available..... Electricity is not always available. Where I live, Southern California Edison can fail at any time of the year. We do not get snow, so that is not a cause of failure. While high air conditioning usage might cause a failure in the summer, it does not explain failures in the winter since most homes here have natural gas for heat. I think the main cause of failure might be a lack of preventive maintenance by SoCalEd on its distribution system. Thankfully, we have mild winters and -- for the summer -- lots of shade trees. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
What to do with all the leaves?
On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 5:28:18 PM UTC-8, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Gus Overton wrote: In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? Compost them. Any large container will do, or make a heap, perhaps cover initially if they tend to blow around. Some dampness will speed the process. -- David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A better world requires a daily struggle against those who would mislead us. David is much more virtuous than I leaves. (We garden on opposite sides of the same mountain in So Calif, but different micro-climates.) I don't have many deciduous trees, so am not bothered much by shedding and don't have enough leaves to bother composting like I used to do -- kitchen scraps and all. Now I turn it all over to the City, which rewards us with quarterly compost giveaways. The cosmetic aspect is what bugs me, frivolous though it may be. I don't like my careful garden plots cluttered with yellowing leaf litter. Tired of raking, I cover mess with small-bore mulch. And repeat. How high will this plateau eventually rise? Stay tuned G HB we garden on two sides of the same mountain in So. Cal. but different micro-climates.) |
What to do with all the leaves?
Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 5:28:18 PM UTC-8, David Hare-Scott wrote: Gus Overton wrote: In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? Compost them. Any large container will do, or make a heap, perhaps cover initially if they tend to blow around. Some dampness will speed the process. -- David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A better world requires a daily struggle against those who would mislead us. David is much more virtuous than I We have known that for ages. leaves. (We garden on opposite sides of the same mountain in So Calif, but different micro-climates.) I don't have many deciduous trees, so am not bothered much by shedding and don't have enough leaves to bother composting like I used to do -- kitchen scraps and all. Now I turn it all over to the City, which rewards us with quarterly compost giveaways. I reckon it is my organic matter and I see no reason to give it away to the authorities. The cosmetic aspect is what bugs me, frivolous though it may be. I don't like my careful garden plots cluttered with yellowing leaf litter. Compost first and this will not be a problem. Tired of raking, I cover mess with small-bore mulch. And repeat. How high will this plateau eventually rise? Stay tuned G HB we garden on two sides of the same mountain in So. Cal. but different micro-climates.) Not this David, we are a continent apart. -- David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A better world requires a daily struggle against those who would mislead us. |
What to do with all the leaves?
On 12/9/2014 1:10 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote [in part]:
Hypatia Nachshon wrote [also in part]: we garden on two sides of the same mountain in So. Cal. but different micro-climates.) Not this David, we are a continent apart. Hypatia has confused you with me. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
What to do with all the leaves?
Once upon a time on usenet David E. Ross wrote:
On 12/8/2014 12:11 AM, ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet Bob F wrote: ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet IGot2P wrote: On 11/30/2014 1:24 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 09:47:33 -0800, "Bob F" wrote: Peter Jason wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:42:00 -0500, Dan Espen wrote: Gus Overton writes: In the 70s people used to burn them in my hometown, I remember my dad doing it but it was noticed that's not really good idea when the flaming leaves get on houses, dry bushes, etc. And the city created a law banning it I'm an idiot. I put the front leaves in a plastic bag. I forgot you aren't supposed to do that anymore. They have biodegradable bags now you use. I assume the hardware store down the street has some. There were a billion leaves in the backyard and I did put those where the tomato plants were. I guess I should empty the plastic bag back there too. But there are so many leaves I don't think they will decompose. I should bury them? Nope, way too much work. My leaf pile is as big as a van. It's behind some bushes. Takes one to 2 years to turn back into dirt. Not if you set fire to the pile. There are good reasons that is now illegal many places. In the County where I live burning leaves is illegal, and carries a very stiff fine; $15,000.00 Can't burn trash, treated scrap lumber and many other combustables... won't be long all wood stoves will be banned. http://www.dec.ny.gov/chemical/58519.html I live in a small Iowa village and it is perfectly legal to burn your leaves. In fact, we attempted to burn leaves yesterday but they were still a bit wet so most of them did not burn. My neighbor just put in a high dollar outdoor wood stove that is a hot water system to heat his home and his shop. He only needs to put additional wood in it every 4 to 5 days. It also has a 500 gallon water tank above the fire pit and two pumps that circulate the water to the house and/or shop when called by one or both of the thermostats. It is a pretty high tech outfit but on the downside it cost $8,000 plus. :-( IMO it would have made a lot more sense to have used that amount of money to install efficient heat pump based heating (which could also act as AC if needed). I think that would depend on his wood source and electrical costs. Indeed. I think that we can assume that electricity will always be available..... Electricity is not always available. Where I live, Southern California Edison can fail at any time of the year. We do not get snow, so that is not a cause of failure. While high air conditioning usage might cause a failure in the summer, it does not explain failures in the winter since most homes here have natural gas for heat. I think the main cause of failure might be a lack of preventive maintenance by SoCalEd on its distribution system. Thankfully, we have mild winters and -- for the summer -- lots of shade trees. Ahh. OK. I live in a civilised country and the electricity is supplied 99.999% of the time. Mea culpa. I guess that's what you get when you assume that everyone else on usenet is in the same country as you cough. -- Shaun. "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a cozy little classification in the DSM." David Melville (in r.a.s.f1) |
What to do with all the leaves?
David E. Ross wrote:
On 12/9/2014 1:10 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote [in part]: Hypatia Nachshon wrote [also in part]: we garden on two sides of the same mountain in So. Cal. but different micro-climates.) Not this David, we are a continent apart. Hypatia has confused you with me. Apparently nominative determinism isn't working for her then. -- David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A better world requires a daily struggle against those who would mislead us. |
What to do with all the leaves?
On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:50:27 PM UTC-8, David E. Ross wrote:
On 12/9/2014 1:10 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote [in part]: Hypatia Nachshon wrote [also in part]: we garden on two sides of the same mountain in So. Cal. but different micro-climates.) Not this David, we are a continent apart. Hypatia has confused you with me. No I haven't!! It should have been quite clear that gardening in So. Cal. is NOT gardening in OZ. Besides David Ross is always a perfect gentleman. HB -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
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