Brooklyn1 wrote:
....
wrong at least 50% of the time. The people here who insist on arguing
climate change are those pinheads who do not garden, not a one of
those shit stirrers has ever shown pictures of their garden... it's
all their fantasy... the closest they come to gardening is shopping
Walmart's produce.

shit stirrers is as good a name as any for a good
gardener.


songbird

songbird writes:

Brooklyn1 wrote:
...
wrong at least 50% of the time. The people here who insist on arguing
climate change are those pinheads who do not garden, not a one of
those shit stirrers has ever shown pictures of their garden... it's
all their fantasy... the closest they come to gardening is shopping
Walmart's produce.

shit stirrers is as good a name as any for a good
gardener.

Also good to have a nice catchy insult you can deliver while
sitting behind your keyboard.

Trying to paper over Brooklyn's disgusting need to insult others?

Brooky is now a gardener because he posts pictures of a huge flat
lawn with a couple of trees and the deer than come in and eat
everything.

--
Dan Espen

On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 11:41:46 -0400, Dan Espen
wrote:

songbird writes:

Brooklyn1 wrote:
...
wrong at least 50% of the time. The people here who insist on arguing
climate change are those pinheads who do not garden, not a one of
those shit stirrers has ever shown pictures of their garden... it's
all their fantasy... the closest they come to gardening is shopping
Walmart's produce.

shit stirrers is as good a name as any for a good
gardener.

Also good to have a nice catchy insult you can deliver while
sitting behind your keyboard.

Those kind of replies obviously mean you don't garden.

On 3/9/2015 9:31 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
Stronzo Bestiale wrote:
Fran Farmer wrote:
Stronzo Bestiale wrote:
Fran Farmer wrote:
snotbottom wrote:
It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not kill it
by getting political. I'd rather just read about the gardening advice
and experiences from others and take the divisive stuff somewhere else.

Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and
who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on
topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when
those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality.

He's right. You and Sara are getting political.

It's science.

Oh, you a scientist?

Climate has been changing for a Billion years, so imperceptively
slowly that it has zero effect on a lifetime of gardening, not even
100 life times of gardening. All anyone who gardens need do regarding
climate change is to check their daily weather report and even that is
wrong at least 50% of the time. The people here who insist on arguing
climate change are those pinheads who do not garden, not a one of
those shit stirrers has ever shown pictures of their garden... it's
all their fantasy... the closest they come to gardening is shopping
Walmart's produce.


That's the way I feel about climate change.
I'll argue politics elsewhere, I come here for garden discussions.

Hi Higgs,

I still think your tomato problems have to do with
your soil. As with cooking, you can't make bad
ingredients taste better, you can only make good
ingredients taste worse. It all starts with the soil.

I am wondering if you should not start over with know good
organic soil. Maybe even use certified compost from a
reputable dealer. Who knows what in the world is in
municipal compose.

Do you have worms in your soil? They are a great indication
of your soils health.

Are your tomato beds well drained? Tomatoes love to be
drenched (they are from the Amazon), but do not like
their roots in standing/stagnant water.

-T

Songbird is a really great source of this kind of
information, probably knows 100 times what I do.

In article
T writes:

Are your tomato beds well drained? Tomatoes love to be
drenched (they are from the Amazon), but do not like
their roots in standing/stagnant water.

Tomatoes originated in the Andes, not the Amazon.
Aside from the initial letter, the two have little in common.


--
Drew Lawson | What you own is your own kingdom
| What you do is your own glory
| What you love is your own power
| What you live is your own story

On 3/9/2015 3:50 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
In article
T writes:

Are your tomato beds well drained? Tomatoes love to be
drenched (they are from the Amazon), but do not like
their roots in standing/stagnant water.

Tomatoes originated in the Andes, not the Amazon.
Aside from the initial letter, the two have little in common.


Interesting. Wonder if there are any heirloom seeds

Brooklyn1 wrote:
Stronzo Bestiale wrote:
Fran Farmer wrote:
Stronzo Bestiale wrote:
Fran Farmer wrote:
snotbottom wrote:
It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not
kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the
gardening advice and experiences from others and take the
divisive stuff somewhere else.

Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to
garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes
climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a
divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension
try to deny that it is a reality.

He's right. You and Sara are getting political.

It's science.

Oh, you a scientist?

Climate has been changing for a Billion years, so imperceptively
slowly that it has zero effect on a lifetime of gardening, not even
100 life times of gardening.

Factoid not in evidence.

All anyone who gardens need do regarding
climate change is to check their daily weather report and even that is
wrong at least 50% of the time. The people here who insist on arguing
climate change are those pinheads who do not garden, not a one of
those shit stirrers has ever shown pictures of their garden... it's
all their fantasy... the closest they come to gardening is shopping
Walmart's produce.

Utter nonsense, you have seen pictures of my garden and Songbird's at least.
Do you think it funny to say things that simply are not true or is your mind
so stewed that you don't know the difference?

--
David

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Corporate propaganda is their
protection against democracy

Stronzo Bestiale wrote:
On 3/9/2015 3:37 AM, Fran Farmer wrote:
On 9/03/2015 9:09 AM, Stronzo Bestiale wrote:
On 3/8/2015 5:50 PM, Fran Farmer wrote:
On 9/03/2015 8:19 AM, snotbottom wrote:
It's been nice to see some life in the group again. Let's not
kill it by getting political. I'd rather just read about the
gardening advice and experiences from others and take the
divisive stuff somewhere else.

Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to
garden and who also try to have productive gardens. That makes
climate change on topic here. Climate change only becomes a
divisive issue here when those who can't read for comprehension
try to deny that it is a reality.
He's right. You and Sara are getting political.

It's science.



Oh, you a scientist?

Completely irrelevant. let me intorduce you to Bozo Bin, Bozo meet
Stronzo, Stronzo in you go.
--
David

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Corporate propaganda is their
protection against democracy

On 3/6/2015 12:45 PM, Hypatia Nachshon wrote:

All of us home gardeners are affected, to one degree or another &
will be into the future. (Not to mention major food suppliers, even
in "developed" countries.)

The deniers (including powerful committee chairmen in the US
Congress) are still out there serving their Corporate Masters, but
let us hope that their in$anity will become less influential as facts
develop.

An entertaining article about the exposure of Willie Soon, one of the
most corrupt "scientist" deniers can be found at:

http://www.onearth.org/earthwire/willie-soon-reader

OR

http://www.onearth.org/earthwire

You will need to scroll way down -- past some very useful articles --
to:

"All your Willie Soon schadenfreude in one handy article".

HB

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people
some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time."

Abraham Lincoln

For the views of the scientific community, see "Anthropogenic warming
has increased drought risk in California" in the "Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America" at
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/02/23/1422385112.abstract.

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean, see
http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

Fran Farmer wrote:
....
Climate Change has an impact on those of us who do bother to garden and
who also try to have productive gardens. That makes climate change on
topic here. Climate change only becomes a divisive issue here when
those who can't read for comprehension try to deny that it is a reality.

looks like a few random trolls to me, neither of
those folks seem to have posted here before much at
all and funny they both pop up on a topic that
they complain about being OT.

to have credibility it would help them if they
actually posted about gardening.

anyways, here is a way that CC will affect many
out west in the USoA, the snowpack this year is
miniscule, affecting 1/3 of the water supply that
many millions of people rely upon.

a fair amount of that snowpack is gone from
an obvious lack of precipitation, but it is made
much worse because the water systems out there
are built around using that snow pack as their
water storage. currently most of the areas seem
to be running at 10-20% of average.

what happens when the snows no longer fall as
snow, but end up as rain or when the snows are
sublimated off due to higher temperatures, well
that is a part of what we are getting now. the
water infrastructure is not built around rain
on the mountains.

to change that one aspect of the water systems
out there will cost many billions of dollars, they're
going to need bigger reservoirs to capture storm
water and store it to get them through the summer
months.

this will pretty much affect anyone out west who
wants to have a garden if they are trying to rely
upon water from the irrigation systems. and it
isn't going to be cheap.

some folks are drilling wells and supplementing
their irrigation by ground water. the problem
there is that everyone else around them is doing
the same thing and the ground water levels are
rapidly falling. prices for drilling? many
thousands of $ for how deep they have to go now
in some places and they don't even know how long
those wells will last. nothing out there is
measured, proven or regulated as of yet, they
are all taking more than is being recharged.

luckily, the past few weeks have improved the
snow pack in the Colorado River Basin (instead of
well below average most are now 10-20% from average,
some are even above average *whew* with some time
yet to go where we can get some more storms to
build up even more snow pack -- that would be great
as the reservoirs on the Colorado River are
approaching points where water will be reduced or
cut off to the most junior water rights holders).
yet another expense is required to build intakes
from Lake Mead to get water to Las Vegas, because
the lake is getting so low.

and as for the question about being a scientist,
yes, i am. nobody is paying me other than myself.


songbird

Speaking of stirring... Reminds me that it's time to clean out the chicken coop and get it ready to go on the garden.

Lurker I'd grant you... Troll I'd take exception to. I have posted, but it has been years. I continued to follow the group through its ups and downs, gardening the whole time with every year different than the one prior. FWIW, I've been gardening and preserving my own food for as long add I can remember. Love it, don't mind a good debate either, just didn't think this was the place for it.

Wasn't really trying to poke the bear, either. Just wanted to avoid what I've seen so many times over the years. I do find it interesting that it's the same characters who get their dander up every time someone cares to disagree with something someone said.

So keep going with the insults and inflammatory remarks (speaking to both sides here). Watch the traffic fall off again. Then some new folks will come along in a few months and we can do it all over again.

what do you normally grow? where abouts are you?


songbird

Yes it would be. But that isn't what the article was taking about. The purpose of the article wasn't about climate change, the latest findings, or current conditions. It was the celebration of one off the voices of the opposition being scandalized.

I'm all for science... These articles didn't have any.