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Tomato plant in a pot
On 9/15/2015 2:31 PM, John McGaw wrote:
On 9/10/2015 10:53 AM, Not@home wrote: I had an extra seedling this year that looked pretty healthy, so I put some stones in a pot (it is a big pot and I didn't have enough spare dirt to fill it, so I put eight or ten inches of dirt on top of the stones and transplanted the seedling to the dirt. The problem is that the water runs through the dirt and stones and out the hole in the bottom of the pot, so every day the plant, while it has been growing well, loses the structure of the leaves (it almost looks dead) until I water it, when it regains its vitality and looks healthy until the next day. And the early maturing tomatoes have rather advanced end stage rot. So I am looking for a way to solve the watering problem for next year. I am thinking of removing the stones and filling the whole pot with good dirt, and burying a bowl at the bottom of the pot, reasoning that when I water, some water will filter into the bowl and keep the plant happy. I've been told that standing water in the bottom of the pot is not a good idea, but I grow my seedlings in dirt over a tray of water, and they grow extensive roots in the water. We are in a moderate climate, subject to freezing. The last vortex was brutal here, killing many plants and trees (all the peach trees, for example, were killed). But our garden seems to have survived. I had an arborist look at my sweet cherry tree; I wanted it pruned, but he recommended cutting it down. I pruned it myself (it is no longer a pretty tree) and it survived. providing a bumper crop. Our pie cherries also produced well, as did the strawberries and blueberries. The vegetables have struggled, possibly because we had a lot of rain, so we don't have ripe tomatoes yet, but plenty of beans, and the corn is within days of being ready. I'd say that if you have the time to water twice a day and tend the plants in ordinary pots of any sort, more power to you. If, on the other hand, you just want to grow tomatoes in a container that doesn't tie you down so much you need to either buy something like an 'Earth Box' or simply make your own. I do the latter. A planter made from a 5-gallon plastic bucket and a few bits of PVC pipe and sheet plastic can be made in an hour or so if you are handy and have tools available. It holds enough planting mix to actually grow a determinant tomato plant such as 'Patio' and it largely self-waters so that it needs attention only every few days. I put the divider in mine between 1/4 and 1/3 up from the bottom; higher gives more water capacity and lower gives more room for roots. Example: http://squarepennies.com/2012/06/diy...n-buckets.html Definitely stick with a determinant variety since trying to support an indeterminant in a container is nearly impossible to do well. BTW: I don't use the exact method shown in the link. Mine uses a single bucket with a solid plastic divider to separate the soil from the water chamber but the theory is the same no matter how you do it. Mine is just cheaper and lighter but I have a full shop to fabricate the plastic bits in and many folks don't. |
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Tomato plant in a pot
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:31:15 -0400, John McGaw
wrote: On 9/10/2015 10:53 AM, Not@home wrote: I had an extra seedling this year that looked pretty healthy, so I put some stones in a pot (it is a big pot and I didn't have enough spare dirt to fill it, so I put eight or ten inches of dirt on top of the stones and transplanted the seedling to the dirt. The problem is that the water runs through the dirt and stones and out the hole in the bottom of the pot, so every day the plant, while it has been growing well, loses the structure of the leaves (it almost looks dead) until I water it, when it regains its vitality and looks healthy until the next day. And the early maturing tomatoes have rather advanced end stage rot. So I am looking for a way to solve the watering problem for next year. I am thinking of removing the stones and filling the whole pot with good dirt, and burying a bowl at the bottom of the pot, reasoning that when I water, some water will filter into the bowl and keep the plant happy. I've been told that standing water in the bottom of the pot is not a good idea, but I grow my seedlings in dirt over a tray of water, and they grow extensive roots in the water. We are in a moderate climate, subject to freezing. The last vortex was brutal here, killing many plants and trees (all the peach trees, for example, were killed). But our garden seems to have survived. I had an arborist look at my sweet cherry tree; I wanted it pruned, but he recommended cutting it down. I pruned it myself (it is no longer a pretty tree) and it survived. providing a bumper crop. Our pie cherries also produced well, as did the strawberries and blueberries. The vegetables have struggled, possibly because we had a lot of rain, so we don't have ripe tomatoes yet, but plenty of beans, and the corn is within days of being ready. I'd say that if you have the time to water twice a day and tend the plants in ordinary pots of any sort, more power to you. If, on the other hand, you just want to grow tomatoes in a container that doesn't tie you down so much you need to either buy something like an 'Earth Box' or simply make your own. I do the latter. A planter made from a 5-gallon plastic bucket and a few bits of PVC pipe and sheet plastic can be made in an hour or so if you are handy and have tools available. It holds enough planting mix to actually grow a determinant tomato plant such as 'Patio' and it largely self-waters so that it needs attention only every few days. I put the divider in mine between 1/4 and 1/3 up from the bottom; higher gives more water capacity and lower gives more room for roots. Example: http://squarepennies.com/2012/06/diy...n-buckets.html Definitely stick with a determinant variety since trying to support an indeterminant in a container is nearly impossible to do well. Veggies in tubs rarely need watering twice a day and the earth box is not deep enough for decent tomatoes, as well as requiring water as often as tubs filled with soil. Been there, done that. |
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Tomato plant in a pot
On 9/15/2015 3:43 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:31:15 -0400, John McGaw wrote: On 9/10/2015 10:53 AM, Not@home wrote: I had an extra seedling this year that looked pretty healthy, so I put some stones in a pot (it is a big pot and I didn't have enough spare dirt to fill it, so I put eight or ten inches of dirt on top of the stones and transplanted the seedling to the dirt. The problem is that the water runs through the dirt and stones and out the hole in the bottom of the pot, so every day the plant, while it has been growing well, loses the structure of the leaves (it almost looks dead) until I water it, when it regains its vitality and looks healthy until the next day. And the early maturing tomatoes have rather advanced end stage rot. So I am looking for a way to solve the watering problem for next year. I am thinking of removing the stones and filling the whole pot with good dirt, and burying a bowl at the bottom of the pot, reasoning that when I water, some water will filter into the bowl and keep the plant happy. I've been told that standing water in the bottom of the pot is not a good idea, but I grow my seedlings in dirt over a tray of water, and they grow extensive roots in the water. We are in a moderate climate, subject to freezing. The last vortex was brutal here, killing many plants and trees (all the peach trees, for example, were killed). But our garden seems to have survived. I had an arborist look at my sweet cherry tree; I wanted it pruned, but he recommended cutting it down. I pruned it myself (it is no longer a pretty tree) and it survived. providing a bumper crop. Our pie cherries also produced well, as did the strawberries and blueberries. The vegetables have struggled, possibly because we had a lot of rain, so we don't have ripe tomatoes yet, but plenty of beans, and the corn is within days of being ready. I'd say that if you have the time to water twice a day and tend the plants in ordinary pots of any sort, more power to you. If, on the other hand, you just want to grow tomatoes in a container that doesn't tie you down so much you need to either buy something like an 'Earth Box' or simply make your own. I do the latter. A planter made from a 5-gallon plastic bucket and a few bits of PVC pipe and sheet plastic can be made in an hour or so if you are handy and have tools available. It holds enough planting mix to actually grow a determinant tomato plant such as 'Patio' and it largely self-waters so that it needs attention only every few days. I put the divider in mine between 1/4 and 1/3 up from the bottom; higher gives more water capacity and lower gives more room for roots. Example: http://squarepennies.com/2012/06/diy...n-buckets.html Definitely stick with a determinant variety since trying to support an indeterminant in a container is nearly impossible to do well. Veggies in tubs rarely need watering twice a day and the earth box is not deep enough for decent tomatoes, as well as requiring water as often as tubs filled with soil. Been there, done that. I've been there and done that too and I get tomatoes every year from my containers with very little effort expended. The OP's original complaint was that water was simply running through the pot and that would probably mean frequent watering if soil moisture is to be maintained. |
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Tomato plant in a pot
On 9/15/2015 1:09 PM, John McGaw wrote:
On 9/15/2015 3:43 PM, Boron Elgar wrote: On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:31:15 -0400, John McGaw wrote: On 9/10/2015 10:53 AM, Not@home wrote: I had an extra seedling this year that looked pretty healthy, so I put some stones in a pot (it is a big pot and I didn't have enough spare dirt to fill it, so I put eight or ten inches of dirt on top of the stones and transplanted the seedling to the dirt. The problem is that the water runs through the dirt and stones and out the hole in the bottom of the pot, so every day the plant, while it has been growing well, loses the structure of the leaves (it almost looks dead) until I water it, when it regains its vitality and looks healthy until the next day. And the early maturing tomatoes have rather advanced end stage rot. So I am looking for a way to solve the watering problem for next year. I am thinking of removing the stones and filling the whole pot with good dirt, and burying a bowl at the bottom of the pot, reasoning that when I water, some water will filter into the bowl and keep the plant happy. I've been told that standing water in the bottom of the pot is not a good idea, but I grow my seedlings in dirt over a tray of water, and they grow extensive roots in the water. We are in a moderate climate, subject to freezing. The last vortex was brutal here, killing many plants and trees (all the peach trees, for example, were killed). But our garden seems to have survived. I had an arborist look at my sweet cherry tree; I wanted it pruned, but he recommended cutting it down. I pruned it myself (it is no longer a pretty tree) and it survived. providing a bumper crop. Our pie cherries also produced well, as did the strawberries and blueberries. The vegetables have struggled, possibly because we had a lot of rain, so we don't have ripe tomatoes yet, but plenty of beans, and the corn is within days of being ready. I'd say that if you have the time to water twice a day and tend the plants in ordinary pots of any sort, more power to you. If, on the other hand, you just want to grow tomatoes in a container that doesn't tie you down so much you need to either buy something like an 'Earth Box' or simply make your own. I do the latter. A planter made from a 5-gallon plastic bucket and a few bits of PVC pipe and sheet plastic can be made in an hour or so if you are handy and have tools available. It holds enough planting mix to actually grow a determinant tomato plant such as 'Patio' and it largely self-waters so that it needs attention only every few days. I put the divider in mine between 1/4 and 1/3 up from the bottom; higher gives more water capacity and lower gives more room for roots. Example: http://squarepennies.com/2012/06/diy...n-buckets.html Definitely stick with a determinant variety since trying to support an indeterminant in a container is nearly impossible to do well. Veggies in tubs rarely need watering twice a day and the earth box is not deep enough for decent tomatoes, as well as requiring water as often as tubs filled with soil. Been there, done that. I've been there and done that too and I get tomatoes every year from my containers with very little effort expended. The OP's original complaint was that water was simply running through the pot and that would probably mean frequent watering if soil moisture is to be maintained. Much depends on the size of the pot and the charateristics of the potting mix. I have dwarf citrus in 22-inch pots that get watered twice each week. I get more lemons than anyone could use, and I do not know what to do with all the kumquats. They are planted in home-made potting mix that I cited earlier in this thread. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
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