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Snow peas are one of the few vegetables that do well in my garden,
so well that I no longer have to buy seeds. They simply sprout on their own
and are reasonably productive for a couple of months in the spring, apparently
from pods overlooked or discarded.

Some of the pods are nearly stringless, others have pronounced strings even
when the pods are quite small (~2" long). It's been suggested that they have
"reverted" from a hybrid to a mongrel variety. I thought this impossible, as
pea flowers are said to be perfect and self-pollinating. Is this correct?

Thanks for reading,

bob prohaska




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On 3/31/2016 7:54 PM, User Bp wrote:
Snow peas are one of the few vegetables that do well in my garden,
so well that I no longer have to buy seeds. They simply sprout on their own
and are reasonably productive for a couple of months in the spring, apparently
from pods overlooked or discarded.

Some of the pods are nearly stringless, others have pronounced strings even
when the pods are quite small (~2" long). It's been suggested that they have
"reverted" from a hybrid to a mongrel variety. I thought this impossible, as
pea flowers are said to be perfect and self-pollinating. Is this correct?

Thanks for reading,

bob prohaska


If they are hybrids, even the seeds from self-pollinating plants might
produce plants that vary from their parents.

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While many tributes to the late Supreme Court Associate Justice
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User Bp wrote:

Snow peas are one of the few vegetables that do well in my garden,
so well that I no longer have to buy seeds. They simply sprout on their own
and are reasonably productive for a couple of months in the spring, apparently
from pods overlooked or discarded.

Some of the pods are nearly stringless, others have pronounced strings even
when the pods are quite small (~2" long). It's been suggested that they have
"reverted" from a hybrid to a mongrel variety. I thought this impossible, as
pea flowers are said to be perfect and self-pollinating. Is this correct?


no bob, like you've found out, there are bugs which
will pollinate beans and peas so they will cross breed.

it's fun to see what happens.


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songbird wrote:

no bob, like you've found out, there are bugs which
will pollinate beans and peas so they will cross breed.


Ok, so be it....

For the time being I'll just let them grow and pull out
the strings. Otherwise the peas are quite good, with no
mildew problems yet.

It does sound like I should expect the volunteers to
slowly revert to a more wild state. At some point it'll
be time to buy new seeds, but not yet.

Thanks to all for replying!

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bob prohaska wrote:
songbird wrote:


no bob, like you've found out, there are bugs which
will pollinate beans and peas so they will cross breed.


Ok, so be it....

For the time being I'll just let them grow and pull out
the strings. Otherwise the peas are quite good, with no
mildew problems yet.


i apply some selective pressure on the cross-
breeds here. some traits i like to encourage such
as having purple flowers or shelling easy is another
(but not too easy -- shatter is a PITA for dry bean
harvest if you don't get them early enough).

for pea pods i try to keep the blocks planted
apart from each other, that helps, i'm not sure
the peas are actually hybrids. i can usually pick
the seeds from one or the other even if they get
mixed together.


It does sound like I should expect the volunteers to
slowly revert to a more wild state. At some point it'll
be time to buy new seeds, but not yet.


yes, for hybrids that's the kind of lock in to a
seed company that i don't like. it also irks me about
the GMO stuff too since i do like to grow edamame soy
beans and the fields around us are planted with GMO
soy every second or third year. every once in a while
i should resource my edamame seeds.


Thanks to all for replying!


y.w.


songbird
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