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HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
I'm a new homeowner and pretty inexperienced with gardening. At the
beginning of Spring when my lawn was overrun with dandelions and weeds, I ran out to Kmart and bought a 50lb bag of weed n feed. I stupidly didn't read the instructions figuring I couldn't do much hard because it was a "feed". Well, I was definitely wrong. I "spread" it with a cup and dumped a whole cup on areas of large weeds. Well, needless to say, and much to my horror, have many large patches of brown dead grass!!! It just looks horrible! At this point, is there anything at all I can do aside from digging up the many dead patches and re-seeding? Is there any chance that the grass will grow there again? Please help! Thanks, Michelle |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
On Fri, 16 May 2003 07:28:58 -0700, MIchelle wrote:
I'm a new homeowner and pretty inexperienced with gardening. At the beginning of Spring when my lawn was overrun with dandelions and weeds, I ran out to Kmart and bought a 50lb bag of weed n feed. I stupidly didn't read the instructions figuring I couldn't do much hard because it was a "feed". Well, I was definitely wrong. I "spread" it with a cup and dumped a whole cup on areas of large weeds. Well, needless to say, and much to my horror, have many large patches of brown dead grass!!! It just looks horrible! At this point, is there anything at all I can do aside from digging up the many dead patches and re-seeding? Is there any chance that the grass will grow there again? In my opinion, you'll have to dig the soil out of the affected areas and replace the soil and seed it. If theres a lot of damage, it might be in your best intrest to thatch the lawn, replace the affected soil and start the lawn over again. Sorry you had such a bad time with the weed&feed. Remember to Always read the bag and to Always follow the application instructions. Generally, below the application directions you'll find a listing of 'rules/guidelines. These are the federal laws that goveren the use and application of the product. -- http://yard-works.netfirms.com |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
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HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
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HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
Stop buying poisons and learn to culture grass, dandelions are a sign
of poor cultural problem. Weed and Feed products simply make the problems increasingly complex. Topdress with quality compost, core aerate, apply compost tea and convert to organic fertilizers. (oh and stop gardening with Martha) On 16 May 2003 07:28:58 -0700, (MIchelle) wrote: I'm a new homeowner and pretty inexperienced with gardening. At the beginning of Spring when my lawn was overrun with dandelions and weeds, I ran out to Kmart and bought a 50lb bag of weed n feed. I stupidly didn't read the instructions figuring I couldn't do much hard because it was a "feed". Well, I was definitely wrong. I "spread" it with a cup and dumped a whole cup on areas of large weeds. Well, needless to say, and much to my horror, have many large patches of brown dead grass!!! It just looks horrible! At this point, is there anything at all I can do aside from digging up the many dead patches and re-seeding? Is there any chance that the grass will grow there again? Please help! Thanks, Michelle "Nature, left alone, is in perfect balance. Harmful insects and plant diseases are always present, but do not occur in nature to an extent which requires the use of poisonous chemicals. The sensible approach to disease and insect control is to grow sturdy crops in a healthy environment." Masanobu Fukuoka, One Straw Revolution--1978 |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
Weed and Feed products are, for the most part, pre-emergent chemicals. That
means they prevent weed and any other type of seeds from germinating. It doesn't necessarily kill grass. However, dumping chemicals on anything without reading was not a good idea. You most likely burned the turf with way too much fertilizer. Just mow it, keep it watered and try to learn to read. By the way, you can kill trees with atrazine, which is in many weed and feed products. All are junk, none help the soil biota and they don't guarantee what the fillers are. They could use any toxic crap they want to carry the N-P-K in the product. All I do to my turf is water, mow, and core aerate. Maybe once a year I top dress with compost, but I mostly do that for the trees. If you mow before weeds go to seed, every time you do that you prevent more weeds. It can take a few years, but it can be done. On 16 May 2003 07:28:58 -0700, (MIchelle) wrote: I'm a new homeowner and pretty inexperienced with gardening. At the beginning of Spring when my lawn was overrun with dandelions and weeds, I ran out to Kmart and bought a 50lb bag of weed n feed. I stupidly didn't read the instructions figuring I couldn't do much hard because it was a "feed". Well, I was definitely wrong. I "spread" it with a cup and dumped a whole cup on areas of large weeds. Well, needless to say, and much to my horror, have many large patches of brown dead grass!!! It just looks horrible! At this point, is there anything at all I can do aside from digging up the many dead patches and re-seeding? Is there any chance that the grass will grow there again? Please help! Thanks, Michelle |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
On Fri, 16 May 2003 19:08:23 GMT, "Stephen M. Henning"
wrote: With fertilizer, it is usually best to apply at 1/2 of the recommended rate. The recommended rate is designed to give good results and sell more fertilizer. Why then buy a product, which by your description, is mislabeled? "Nature, left alone, is in perfect balance. Harmful insects and plant diseases are always present, but do not occur in nature to an extent which requires the use of poisonous chemicals. The sensible approach to disease and insect control is to grow sturdy crops in a healthy environment." Masanobu Fukuoka, One Straw Revolution--1978 |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
animaux wrote:
Weed and Feed products are, for the most part, pre-emergent chemicals. No. Products labeled Weed-N-Feed are fertilizer and contact herbicicide. The premergence products are labeled such things as Scotts Plus and are for crab grass. -- Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA http://www.users.fast.net/~shenning |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
Tom Jaszewski expounded:
Why then buy a product, which by your description, is mislabeled? Why twist the description into mislabeling? He's right, they're trying to sell fertilizer, and advise putting on too heavy a coat. -- Ann, Gardening in zone 6a Just south of Boston, MA ******************************** |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
animaux expounded:
Weed and Feed products are, for the most part, pre-emergent chemicals. No they aren't, they're full of weedkiller to knock off the dandilions, plantains, etc. Pre-emergents are a totally different product, albeit with fertilizers, sometimes, that are applied earlier than the weed and feed products. If you use weed and feed around here in March it'll do nothing but spread unnecessary chemicals and fertilize the lawn (excessively). Fertilizer with crab grass control is spread then. The weed and feed comes in the second feeding. At least that's how it works on chemical feeder's lawns. Not mine. -- Ann, Gardening in zone 6a Just south of Boston, MA ******************************** |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
I'm a new homeowner and pretty inexperienced with gardening. At the
beginning of Spring when my lawn was overrun with dandelions and weeds, I ran out to Kmart and bought a 50lb bag of weed n feed. I stupidly didn't read the instructions figuring I couldn't do much hard because it was a "feed". Well, I was definitely wrong. I "spread" it with a cup and dumped a whole cup on areas of large weeds. Well, needless to say, and much to my horror, have many large patches of brown dead grass!!! It just looks horrible! At this point, is there anything at all I can do aside from digging up the many dead patches and re-seeding? Is there any chance that the grass will grow there again? What were you thinking using a chemical product without reading the label? You've burned the grass out. You need some good, hard rains to wash this further into the soil (or a few weeks of heavy sprinkler work). In the spots where you "dumped a whole cup" you may want to take off the top couple of inches of soil, throw it out and replace it. After the fertilizer has been thoroughly washed down (probably 4 or 5 HEAVY and prolonged rains or a few weeks of thorough sprinkler action every other day) go out and buy several bags of compost to spread about the property. Spread it thinly -- we're not looking to build an inch layer here, just add to the soil a bit. Then get some Scot's Sun & Shade mix (or another quality grass) and overseed the lawn. Water regularly and the grass will appear. You need to mow this new grass regularly -- as in every time it gets to about 4 inches in height. Keep it at about 3 inches. Do not let it grow more than 4 inches before you mow -- you'll stress the plant and may kill it. Another option is to simply resod the yard or to hire a contractor to come out and handle the reseed. And FWIW -- stay away from chemicals, you rarely truly need any such thing. They're really no good for the soil or plants, certainly no good for you and your family, and all you really do is ensure that you'll need to keep applying chemicals. Each year, spread some compost on your lawn, mow regularly, and pull weeds by hand -- you'll be happy you did. James |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
On Sat, 17 May 2003 13:04:00 GMT, "Stephen M. Henning" wrote:
animaux wrote: Weed and Feed products are, for the most part, pre-emergent chemicals. No. Products labeled Weed-N-Feed are fertilizer and contact herbicicide. The premergence products are labeled such things as Scotts Plus and are for crab grass. I said "for the most part." I didn't say all the time. I will say it again. For the most part, weed and feed products are pre-emergents. |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
On Sat, 17 May 2003 09:57:45 -0400, Ann wrote:
Tom Jaszewski expounded: Why then buy a product, which by your description, is mislabeled? Why twist the description into mislabeling? He's right, they're trying to sell fertilizer, and advise putting on too heavy a coat. I agree with Ann. It is better to apply at half the rate, wait a month and apply again. Fertilizers tend to give the lawn a big huge meal at once, them there's very little food left after 6 weeks. The time-release fertilizers help smooth out this effect, but two small applications is still better. The lawn weed killers really punish the healthy grass and really should be used in rare cases. I spot kill the few weeds I get with very good results, although I have a thick lawn that chokes out most of the weeds anyway. |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
From my perspective overselling a product by labeling a higher than
needed rate IS mislabeling, not a twist by me! On Sat, 17 May 2003 09:57:45 -0400, Ann wrote: Tom Jaszewski expounded: Why then buy a product, which by your description, is mislabeled? Why twist the description into mislabeling? He's right, they're trying to sell fertilizer, and advise putting on too heavy a coat. "Nature, left alone, is in perfect balance. Harmful insects and plant diseases are always present, but do not occur in nature to an extent which requires the use of poisonous chemicals. The sensible approach to disease and insect control is to grow sturdy crops in a healthy environment." Masanobu Fukuoka, One Straw Revolution--1978 |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
Activiated charcoal powder may help neutralize the herbicide. It certainly
won't harm anything to try. |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
Activiated charcoal powder may help neutralize the herbicide. It
certainly won't harm anything to try. Nah -- she just needs to get the ground good and soaked several times over and it will wash through (well, assuming it's not a swampy-type of yard). Depending on where she is, if she waits a month or two I'll wager mama natura will handle that for her. James |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
I truly appreciate all the wonderful responses to my post. After
reading all of the posts I feel even worse than I did when I realized the results of my actions. I just have NO experience with gardening or lawns AT ALL. I had never heard of a spreader, I did it with a cup because to me, it seemed like it was the only way I could distribute the weed n feed from the 50lb bag. Anyway, I obviously learned a very hard and valuable lesson from all of this. I'm not sure I even know how to do many of the recommended solutions, I don't even know what composte is, although I assume it's a mixture of dirt of some sort. I'll probably be forced to wait it and try to over saturate it with water since I'm 6 months pregnant and any serious physical work at this point is out of the question. My husband works so much he just manages to get the lawn mowed once a week, and I thought I could help with the weed n feed. Hopefully from reading this newsgroup I will become much more experienced with taking care of my lawn. If this situation doesn't improve itself in a few months, I guess I'll have to hire someone to come in and fix the problem spots. Thank you all so much for your efforts to help me! Michelle |
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HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
MIchelle wrote:
I'm a new homeowner and pretty inexperienced with gardening. At the beginning of Spring when my lawn was overrun with dandelions and weeds, I ran out to Kmart and bought a 50lb bag of weed n feed. I stupidly didn't read the instructions figuring I couldn't do much hard because it was a "feed". Well, I was definitely wrong. I "spread" it with a cup and dumped a whole cup on areas of large weeds. Well, needless to say, and much to my horror, have many large patches of brown dead grass!!! It just looks horrible! At this point, is there anything at all I can do aside from digging up the many dead patches and re-seeding? Is there any chance that the grass will grow there again? Please help! Thanks, Michelle My wife did the same thing last year. I knew something was dreadfully wrong when I got home from work and smelled 2,4-d. I was afraid it was going to kill all the trees as well as most of the grass. Luckily, it only killed a few spots of grass, although I think it might be why the daffodils in the lawn did so badly this year and the crocuses didn't bloom. The grass looks awful this year, with small dead spots still, but it's starting to fill in. I'll reseed those spots next week and by next year it will be OK again. I usually broadcast cheap agricultural fertilizer by hand *very* lightly in the spring (a high nitrogen blend, like maybe 20-3-3 or 15-5-10.) I use a mulching mower so the grass can recycle the nutrients. (last year I bagged my clippings because I was trying to get rid of the excess nutrients). In the fall I fertilizer very lightly with something like 10-20-10. I don't worry about nutsedge or crabgrass, I just keep them mowed. I spot treat dandelions and thistles and plantains with a spray bottle of 2,4-d. Other weeds cannot compete with the grass as long as it is mowed regularly. Best regards, Bob |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
On Sat, 17 May 2003 15:11:44 -0400, "JNJ" wrote:
Activiated charcoal powder may help neutralize the herbicide. It certainly won't harm anything to try. Nah -- she just needs to get the ground good and soaked several times over and it will wash through (well, assuming it's not a swampy-type of yard). Depending on where she is, if she waits a month or two I'll wager mama natura will handle that for her. James It will not wash through, but out and over and down into our storm drains, which is what is causing a major problem with hydrilla in our creeks. |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
Ann wrote:
I don't know where you are, but I've had good luck here in New England with the Espoma products, which is an organic line of fertilizers. I use it twice a year, spring and fall, and have a wonderful lawn. Take care from now on, and good luck with your lawn! Hi, Ann: I live in zone 5, and have heard of Espoma.. do you have pointers to stores that might carry Espoma products in New England (I haven't seen them in those that I frequent)? Thanks. |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
It will not wash through, but out and over and down into our storm drains,
which is what is causing a major problem with hydrilla in our creeks. (http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/watershed/hydrilla.htm) That's certainly unpleasant. Although I see the obvious issue, this is just one contributing factor to the hydrilla problem (which actually affects much of the US). This plant is a nasty little bugger. Unfortunately, in this user's case what is done is done. There are only two real solutions to her issue -- either it washes through/out of her property or she digs up and replaces the soil. I doubt she's going to be willing to excavate her property and it's probably not realistic as this is the rainy season still in much of the US and she won't get a crew there in time. Hopefully, we can continue to tout the benefits of organic & naturalist approaches while convincing her to avoid the use of chemicals. James |
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HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
Weed and Feed products are NEVER pre-emergents.
"Stephen M. Henning" wrote in message ... animaux wrote: Weed and Feed products are, for the most part, pre-emergent chemicals. No. Products labeled Weed-N-Feed are fertilizer and contact herbicicide. The premergence products are labeled such things as Scotts Plus and are for crab grass. -- Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA http://www.users.fast.net/~shenning |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
Sundar Narasimhan expounded:
Hi, Ann: I live in zone 5, and have heard of Espoma.. do you have pointers to stores that might carry Espoma products in New England (I haven't seen them in those that I frequent)? Thanks. I buy mine down at Plymouth Farm & Garden, if you go to http://www.espoma.com there's a store finder/locator you can plug your zipcode into to find a store near you. -- Ann, Gardening in zone 6a Just south of Boston, MA ******************************** |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
On Sun, 18 May 2003 23:33:36 GMT, "Berob" wrote:
Weed and Feed products are NEVER pre-emergents. http://www.scotts.com/index.cfm?poeS...tegoryId=23671 On the right hand side of the page, four paragraphs down. |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
"Berob" wrote:
Weed and Feed products are NEVER pre-emergents. then animaux wrote: http://www.scotts.com/index.cfm?poeS...seacti on=Pro ductGuide.CategoryHome&strCategoryId=23671 Scotts' Madison Avenue types really messed up that website. It says: 'Lawn Weed & Feed - Nourish your lawn while you stop broadleaf and grassy weeds. Deliver even and gradual nutrients plus guaranteed pre-emergent herbicides to your lawn.' If you actually go on to read the site, the premergence product is 'Scotts(R) Turf Builder(R) With Halts(R) Crabgrass Preventer' in which the active ingredient is: 1.71% Pendimethalin, a preemergence herbicide that does not kill weeds. "America's favorite weed and feed" is 'Scotts(R) Turf Builder(R) With PLUS 2(R) Weed Control' in which the active ingredients a 1.21% 2,4-D, 0.61% MCPP, neither of which is a preemergence product. Premergence products include: 1) Balan (benefin) * Statesman Crabgrass Control for Established Lawns 1.72% G * Lebanon Balan 2.5% G * Pennington Penngreen Crabgrass Preventer 2.5% G 2) Team (benefin + trifluralin) * Ace Crabgrass Preventer with Fertilizer 1.25% G on 25-3-10 * Fertilome Crabgrass Preventer & Lawn Food 1.15% G on 28-3-3 * Hi-Yield Crabgrass Control 2% G * KGro Premium Crabgrass Preventer Plus Fertilizer 1.25% G on 28-3-4 * Lebanon Team 2% G * Lebanon 20-3-5 with Team 1.16% G * Sta-Green Crabgrass Preventer, Team 2.5% G * Sta-Green Crabgrass Preventer plus Fertilizer, Team 1.28% G * Wal-Mart Super Team Crabgrass Preventer plus Lawn Fertilizer 1.25% G on 18-3-6 3) Halts (pendimethalin) * Scotts Halts Crabgrass Preventer 1.71% G * Scotts Turf Builder plus Halts 1.21% G on 28-3-4 None are weed and feed products. That is because the preemergence products are aimed at crabgrass seeds and not weeds. They could be called deseed and feed. Never expect a preemergence product to kill weeds. They don't. -- Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA http://www.users.fast.net/~shenning |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
Last year I brought my disgusting neglected lawn back to life by adding topsoil, reseeding, and over seeding. It was green as ever. Then this year, I overseeded and everything was thick and beautiful. As the idiot I am, I bought weed and feed, the yellow pellet ones. I put it into my dispenser and dispensed a TEENIE amount over my grass evenly to give them a little pick me up. 2 DAYS LATER MY ENTIRE LAWN IS 80% DYING YELLO GRASS. ITS ALL RUINED! THEY AREN'T WEAK! THEY ARE DEAD. I'VE LOST A YEARS WORTH OF WORK BECAUSE I TRUSTED THE MANUFACTURER. WHAT THEY SOLD ME WASN'T WEED AND FEED, ITS VEGETATION KILLER. LIKE, IT DIDN'T EVEN REMOTELY FEED THEM WTF IT KILLED EVERYTHING WITH JUST A TINY BIT. I still have literally 90% of the bag unused on my huge lawn, that 10% managed to destroy EVERYTHING. NEVER USE WEED AND FEED.
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HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
Remove the dead matter, scratch the ground, seed, protect with straw, and keep moist for 2 weeks.
Agree. I had similar problem, added peat moss last year in error and killed grass. Water, seeding didnt help. This year, added about 1/2 to 3/4 inches of potting soil, sprinkled and raked in general sun&shade type seed, watered every day to keep seed wet. in 1-2 weeks started to see it coming up. Now been 3-4 weeks, almost like a pro golf course. Very little work, no critical procedures. Just daily watering if no rain. |
HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
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HELP I killed my grass with weed-n-feed!!!!
Regular watering and minimum fertilizer worked for me. The only spots (for work next year) are to remove crab grass from 1/4 yard (its green, all i care about now) and a 3x10 area where nothing grows, not even crab grass or weeds, next to diveway, guessing previous owner parked leaky car.
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