foiling the squash vine borer
First year-- Bought zucchini seedlings from garden center. Planted in mound the
way you're supposed to. Enjoyed more zucchini than we could eat. Second year-- Proceeded as first. Got 2 zucchini. Whole big beautiful plant died. Heartbroken. Did minimum research. Concluded squash vine borer was culprit. 3rd year-- Proceeded as first. Didn't even get 2 zucchini. All dead before fruit. 4th, 5th year. Gave up. Turned attention to basil and tomatoes. 6th year-- I'm ready to give it another go. Instead of making a mound in the vegetable garden in back, we thought we'd plant in a half whiskey barrel in the front yard. Maybe the borers will have trouble finding the plant if we hide. I'd like to avoid chemicals if I could though I'm willing to use them if the zucchini bread warrants. I've read in The New Victory Garden an idea for foiling the borers-- literally. One puts a mat of aluminum foil around the base of the squash vines. The idea is either to confuse the moth by reflecting a bright light in its eyes or to cook the eggs to an uncomfortable temperature. In any case, has anyone tried this? Does it work? It sounds too good to be true, a simple non-chemical solution to the problem. Then today there's a new development. I ran into a neighbor today, another hobbyist gardener but one with lots more experience than I have. He said that zucchini was a sure thing crop, one that nothing could go wrong with. He said that whatever my troubles were in the past, they weren't squash vine borers because zucchini don't vine. Maybe another sort of borer? In which case, would the foil idea be any good? Help! I'm in New England, zone 5. --Lia |
foiling the squash vine borer
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foiling the squash vine borer
On Thu, 29 May 2003 18:13:32 GMT, Lar wrote:
In article , says... :) Then today there's a new development. I ran into a neighbor today, another :) hobbyist gardener but one with lots more experience than I have. He said that :) zucchini was a sure thing crop, one that nothing could go wrong with. He said :) that whatever my troubles were in the past, they weren't squash vine borers :) because zucchini don't vine. Maybe another sort of borer? In which case, would :) the foil idea be any good? :) :) They will get zucchini. You can also place strips of nylon stockings around the stem. Not sure how well this will work on a zucchini plant, but as the plant grows, keep more of the stem covered by soil to promote secondary root growth to help the plant still get nutrition after the damage has been done. The borers wiped out all my zucchini plants two years ago, so I planted none last year and I'm giving it another try this year. There are "good" years and "bad" years. |
foiling the squash vine borer
Phisherman wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 29 May 2003 18:13:32 GMT, Lar wrote: In article , says... :) Then today there's a new development. I ran into a neighbor today, another :) hobbyist gardener but one with lots more experience than I have. He said that :) zucchini was a sure thing crop, one that nothing could go wrong with. He said :) that whatever my troubles were in the past, they weren't squash vine borers :) because zucchini don't vine. Maybe another sort of borer? In which case, would :) the foil idea be any good? :) :) They will get zucchini. You can also place strips of nylon stockings around the stem. Not sure how well this will work on a zucchini plant, but as the plant grows, keep more of the stem covered by soil to promote secondary root growth to help the plant still get nutrition after the damage has been done. The borers wiped out all my zucchini plants two years ago, so I planted none last year and I'm giving it another try this year. There are "good" years and "bad" years. Borers are bad every year, at least here. I lost the zucchini two years running. This year I will simply keep the plants under a plastic tunnel (open at both ends), at least until mid-june, while pushing the vine into the ground to force rooting. Later I will try covering the stems with aluminum foil. I suppose that mosquito netting, covering the plants, would stop the moths from finding the base of the plants. I sympathize with the other posters in this thread. |
foiling the squash vine borer
All squash are susceptible to the borer, vining or not. Foil produces
limited results in my experience. The best 100% sure method I've used is vigilence. Inspect your vines every day or 2 for frass, or that sawdust-looking stuff coming from a small hole in the stem. This shouldn't be hard to do since that's how frequently you have to harvest the fruit anyway. With a very sharp knife, slice the vine lengthwise about 1/2 way through from the hole toward the tip. I try to may the cut along the side of the stem so it's not a water trap. Within an inch or so you should come across the culprit which can be removed and disposed of. Usually the vine closes right back up and seals over as if nothing happened especially if caught early and if your cuts aren't too excessively messy. "Julia Altshuler" wrote in message ... First year-- Bought zucchini seedlings from garden center. Planted in mound the way you're supposed to. Enjoyed more zucchini than we could eat. Second year-- Proceeded as first. Got 2 zucchini. Whole big beautiful plant died. Heartbroken. Did minimum research. Concluded squash vine borer was culprit. 3rd year-- Proceeded as first. Didn't even get 2 zucchini. All dead before fruit. 4th, 5th year. Gave up. Turned attention to basil and tomatoes. 6th year-- I'm ready to give it another go. Instead of making a mound in the vegetable garden in back, we thought we'd plant in a half whiskey barrel in the front yard. Maybe the borers will have trouble finding the plant if we hide. I'd like to avoid chemicals if I could though I'm willing to use them if the zucchini bread warrants. I've read in The New Victory Garden an idea for foiling the borers-- literally. One puts a mat of aluminum foil around the base of the squash vines. The idea is either to confuse the moth by reflecting a bright light in its eyes or to cook the eggs to an uncomfortable temperature. In any case, has anyone tried this? Does it work? It sounds too good to be true, a simple non-chemical solution to the problem. Then today there's a new development. I ran into a neighbor today, another hobbyist gardener but one with lots more experience than I have. He said that zucchini was a sure thing crop, one that nothing could go wrong with. He said that whatever my troubles were in the past, they weren't squash vine borers because zucchini don't vine. Maybe another sort of borer? In which case, would the foil idea be any good? Help! I'm in New England, zone 5. --Lia |
foiling the squash vine borer
I've had trouble in the past and have heard that once infested, the only
solution is to pull out the infected plants. I once thought that the borer was a wasp, but as the following article illustrates, it is not. It is a moth. Anyway, here is the article: http://web.ask.com/redir?bpg=http%3a...3dsqu ash%2bv ine%2bborer%2b%26o%3d0&q=squash+vine+borer+&u=http %3a%2f%2ftm.wc.ask.com%2fr %3ft%3dan%26s%3da%26uid%3d21888fba71888fba7%26sid% 3d161CF36C7AE8B6DE3%26qid% 3dBD90A360A1988747A2A5604F0FA3C23C%26io%3d0%26sv%3 dza5cb0dc7%26ask%3dsquash% 2bvine%2bborer%2b%26uip%3d1888fba7%26en%3dte%26eo% 3d-100%26pt%3dSquash%2bVin e%2bBorer%2band%2bSquash%2bBug%26ac%3d24%26qs%3d0% 26pg%3d1%26u%3dhttp%3a%2f% 2fwww.uky.edu%2fAgriculture%2fEntomology%2fentfact s%2fveg%2fef314.htm&s=a&bu =http%3a%2f%2fwww.uky.edu%2fAgriculture%2fEntomolo gy%2fentfacts%2fveg%2fef31 4.htm "Julia Altshuler" wrote in message ... First year-- Bought zucchini seedlings from garden center. Planted in mound the way you're supposed to. Enjoyed more zucchini than we could eat. Second year-- Proceeded as first. Got 2 zucchini. Whole big beautiful plant died. Heartbroken. Did minimum research. Concluded squash vine borer was culprit. 3rd year-- Proceeded as first. Didn't even get 2 zucchini. All dead before fruit. 4th, 5th year. Gave up. Turned attention to basil and tomatoes. 6th year-- I'm ready to give it another go. Instead of making a mound in the vegetable garden in back, we thought we'd plant in a half whiskey barrel in the front yard. Maybe the borers will have trouble finding the plant if we hide. I'd like to avoid chemicals if I could though I'm willing to use them if the zucchini bread warrants. I've read in The New Victory Garden an idea for foiling the borers-- literally. One puts a mat of aluminum foil around the base of the squash vines. The idea is either to confuse the moth by reflecting a bright light in its eyes or to cook the eggs to an uncomfortable temperature. In any case, has anyone tried this? Does it work? It sounds too good to be true, a simple non-chemical solution to the problem. Then today there's a new development. I ran into a neighbor today, another hobbyist gardener but one with lots more experience than I have. He said that zucchini was a sure thing crop, one that nothing could go wrong with. He said that whatever my troubles were in the past, they weren't squash vine borers because zucchini don't vine. Maybe another sort of borer? In which case, would the foil idea be any good? Help! I'm in New England, zone 5. --Lia |
foiling the squash vine borer
V_coerulea wrote:
All squash are susceptible to the borer, vining or not. Foil produces limited results in my experience. The best 100% sure method I've used is vigilence. Inspect your vines every day or 2 for frass, or that sawdust-looking stuff coming from a small hole in the stem. This shouldn't be hard to do since that's how frequently you have to harvest the fruit anyway. With a very sharp knife, slice the vine lengthwise about 1/2 way through from the hole toward the tip. I try to may the cut along the side of the stem so it's not a water trap. Within an inch or so you should come across the culprit which can be removed and disposed of. Usually the vine closes right back up and seals over as if nothing happened especially if caught early and if your cuts aren't too excessively messy. Thanks. Normally I shy away from anything that involves surgery, but I think I could do that. --Lia |
foiling the squash vine borer
Julia Altshuler said:
Instead of making a mound in the vegetable garden in back, we thought we'd plant in a half whiskey barrel in the front yard. Maybe the borers will have trouble finding the plant if we hide. They live to find squash plants. They can run, but they can't hide. I'd like to avoid chemicals if I could though I'm willing to use them if the zucchini bread warrants. I've read in The New Victory Garden an idea for foiling the borers-- literally. One puts a mat of aluminum foil around the base of the squash vines. The idea is either to confuse the moth by reflecting a bright light in its eyes or to cook the eggs to an uncomfortable temperature. In any case, has anyone tried this? Does it work? It sounds too good to be true, a simple non-chemical solution to the problem. "If it sounds too good to be true..." Normally, I hand-pick the eggs and fish out and freshly-hatched borers that escape my egg search. This year, I may not be able to do that (I have surgery scheduled for mid-June and after that I won't be able to put my head down for a while). I may try the aluminum foil trick because I have to do *something* (or else we have to used canned squash for the 'pumpkin' waffles and bought zucchini for zucchini bread). Then today there's a new development. I ran into a neighbor today, another hobbyist gardener but one with lots more experience than I have. He said that zucchini was a sure thing crop, one that nothing could go wrong with. He said that whatever my troubles were in the past, they weren't squash vine borers because zucchini don't vine. Oh, that's a good one. He have any more tall tales you can pass on? 8^) Zucchini are MORE vulnerable to squash vine borers than vining squash are because they have only one main stem. When that goes, the whole plant dies. Vining squash will root at many places as they run along the ground, so loosing the main stem won't always kill them. My eye-witness testimony from my own many years experience: Squash vine borer moths DO lay eggs on zucchini plants, the eggs DO hatch, the borers DO enter the zucchini stem, and the plants WILL die if you don't interrupt this process. -- Pat in Plymouth MI Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
foiling the squash vine borer
Pat Kiewicz wrote:
They live to find squash plants. They can run, but they can't hide. Yeah, I kinda figured that anything called a squash vine borer would be good at finding squash. Normally, I hand-pick the eggs and fish out and freshly-hatched borers that escape my egg search. I'll find some pictures of what these guys look like. I don't know why I have such a lack of confidence in this area. Normally I find picking off bugs to be oddly satisfying. I suppose it is possible for my neighbor to be wrong. He's one of these awfully nice guys, someone I wouldn't mind chatting with longer. He and his wife are the only neighbors my boyfriend and I run into at the sort of local music and stage productions we enjoy. I've only seen his flower garden since his vegetables are in the back hidden from view, but it is lovely, really nice. I guess I jumped to the conclusion that he was the right person to go to for advice. I'm glad I've got y'all here on the 'Net for corrections. Best wishes for a quicker than usual recovery from your surgery. --Lia |
foiling the squash vine borer
Julia Altshuler wrote in message ...
V_coerulea wrote: All squash are susceptible to the borer, vining or not. Foil produces limited results in my experience. The best 100% sure method I've used is vigilence. Inspect your vines every day or 2 for frass, or that sawdust-looking stuff coming from a small hole in the stem. This shouldn't be hard to do since that's how frequently you have to harvest the fruit anyway. With a very sharp knife, slice the vine lengthwise about 1/2 way through from the hole toward the tip. I try to may the cut along the side of the stem so it's not a water trap. Within an inch or so you should come across the culprit which can be removed and disposed of. Usually the vine closes right back up and seals over as if nothing happened especially if caught early and if your cuts aren't too excessively messy. Thanks. Normally I shy away from anything that involves surgery, but I think I could do that. --Lia On second thought, I would really like to try netting this year - specially folks here pooh-pooh the aluminum foil method. Anyone has any idea of where to find something like mosquito netting to drape over the plants? Do you think it will work? |
foiling the squash vine borer
I addition to patroling the garden and looking for borer holes and
frass and then doing your basic slit and extract surgery you want to root the vines along their length as they sprawl along the ground. This makes them less susceptible to being completely wiped out. |
foiling the squash vine borer
I've taken the plunge! This morning I drilled drainage holes the bottom of new half whiskey barrel, propped it up on big rocks, filled the bottom layer with little rocks, filled the whole thing with the loveliest mix of peat moss, composted manure and good soil, then delicately planted my little zucchini seedlings on the top. I did go with the aluminum foil. It might help and can't hurt. I'm so pleased with myself that I'm ready to plunge into more squashes. Is there a winter variety that's especially resistent to borers? I might try some of them too. --Lia |
foiling the squash vine borer
I believe that butternuts are somewhat resistant. It's been years since I
grew them, but as I remember it, they didn't have the problems that the summer squash did. They taste great when homegrown, and keep all winter in a cool basement. In a former life, I grew them in a garden that had about a foot of topsoil deposited on it after the creek flooded. I had dozens of squash from two or three plants. Because they are slightly sweet, a lot of people cook them with sugar or honey. I dislike this as I find it cloying. I slice them in half lengthwise, scoop out the seeds, then microwave them in a dish with an inch of water in the bottom until they are soft enough to scoop out the insides. I sauté onions, garlic, and mushrooms and add it to the squash pulp, along with toasted slivered almonds and peas (frozen is ok). If you can find it, Cope's dried corn (rehydrated) works very here also. Season with soy sauce, herbs of choice, and parmesan, stuff back into the shell, and top with breadcrumbs and more parmesan. Bake at 350F until warmed through and brown on top. Add a crisp salad and a bottle of wine and you've got a great, savory winter meal. Cheers, Sue Zone 6, Southcentral PA "Julia Altshuler" wrote in message I'm so pleased with myself that I'm ready to plunge into more squashes. Is there a winter variety that's especially resistent to borers? I might try some of them too. --Lia |
foiling the squash vine borer
The borers wiped out all my zucchini plants two years ago, so I planted none last year and I'm giving it another try this year. There are "good" years and "bad" years. Very true. The vine borers winter in the ground, so many times the population can be diminished by turning under all plant debris in the fall and planting a cover crop. For those of you in northern climes a hard winter will also reduce the overwinetring adults. |
foiling the squash vine borer
Thanks. On your advice, I went out and bought Waltham butternut seedlings
today. They'll get planted tomorrow. As for cooking, a good sweet squash needs nothing more than baking and eating. Recipes are for store bought. --Lia SugarChile wrote: I believe that butternuts are somewhat resistant. |
foiling the squash vine borer
Crop rotation will help with the borer and squash bugs. Don't plant squash
in the same place for 3 years. They both seem to love summer squash (yellow and zucchini). You can spray the crop with liquid Sevin and take care of baby squash bugs, but you will have to catch the adults and "Squash" them. Pardon the pun. I lay a board on the ground near my plants, then during the heat of the day, turn it over and kill them as fast as I can. As far as the borers go, they have been covered pretty well already. I grow winter squash, because they seem to provide some resistance to both the squash bugs and borers. The white Egyptian zucchini (In Seed Savers or Seeds of Change) is a good one. I still have some of them from last summer. You can use them in every way you can the regular zucchini, except they get much bigger, are tan in color, and shaped like a honey dew melon, except larger. They resist both bugs also. If you need any more help, contact me directly if you want to. I resorted to chemical control and have been pretty satisfied with that method. Dwayne "Julia Altshuler" wrote in message ... First year-- Bought zucchini seedlings from garden center. Planted in mound the way you're supposed to. Enjoyed more zucchini than we could eat. Second year-- Proceeded as first. Got 2 zucchini. Whole big beautiful plant died. Heartbroken. Did minimum research. Concluded squash vine borer was culprit. 3rd year-- Proceeded as first. Didn't even get 2 zucchini. All dead before fruit. 4th, 5th year. Gave up. Turned attention to basil and tomatoes. 6th year-- I'm ready to give it another go. Instead of making a mound in the vegetable garden in back, we thought we'd plant in a half whiskey barrel in the front yard. Maybe the borers will have trouble finding the plant if we hide. I'd like to avoid chemicals if I could though I'm willing to use them if the zucchini bread warrants. I've read in The New Victory Garden an idea for foiling the borers-- literally. One puts a mat of aluminum foil around the base of the squash vines. The idea is either to confuse the moth by reflecting a bright light in its eyes or to cook the eggs to an uncomfortable temperature. In any case, has anyone tried this? Does it work? It sounds too good to be true, a simple non-chemical solution to the problem. Then today there's a new development. I ran into a neighbor today, another hobbyist gardener but one with lots more experience than I have. He said that zucchini was a sure thing crop, one that nothing could go wrong with. He said that whatever my troubles were in the past, they weren't squash vine borers because zucchini don't vine. Maybe another sort of borer? In which case, would the foil idea be any good? Help! I'm in New England, zone 5. --Lia |
foiling the squash vine borer
there a winter variety that's especially resistent to borers? I might try some acorn squash "Come into my garden, my flowers want to meet you!" |
foiling the squash vine borer
Julia Altshuler said:
I'm so pleased with myself that I'm ready to plunge into more squashes. Is there a winter variety that's especially resistent to borers? I might try some of them too. Butternut squash (Cucurbita moschata) and cushaws (C. mixta) are resistant to borer damage. My favorite winter squash is a hybrid between two species, a butternut crossed with a buttercup (C. maxima). The variety is called 'Tetsukabuto' and is available from Pinetree Garden Seeds (http://www.superseeds.com -- in the catalog section with Asian vegetables). 'Tetsukabuto' has a fruit with the sweet, smooth texture of a buttercup but the solid, borer-resistant vines and productivity of a butternut. 'Tetsukabuto' must be grown along with either a butternut/moschata or a butternut/maxima variety for good fruit set. The C. moschata varieties include the long-necked types called butternuts and large, flattened rounded types called 'cheeses' because they actually look like a wheel of cheese. Years ago I grew a cylindrical type but I haven't seen that one in a catalog for years. The winter squashes most vulnerable to vine borers are the C. maxima types (which include buttercup, hubbard, banana, 'giant' pumpkins) and the C. pepo types (whoch include 'true' pumpkins, acorn, delicata, and summer squashes). -- Pat in Plymouth MI Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
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