(Frogleg) wrote:

On Sat, 31 May 2003 07:29:35 GMT, (Dianna
Visek) wrote:

Our town was in the process of reworking its "nuisance vegetation"
ordinance. The first draft outlawed all plants that had any parts
poisonous or injurious to humans or animals. We would have been left
with nothing but lettuce!

Not even lettuce ... it has opiates in it, in low concentration.


That's the problem with wholesale legislation and regulation. When you
leave out common sense, things become nonsensical. Anyone with an
ounce of sense knows the difference between, say, ornamental grasses
used in a landscape design, and wild grasses growing high and
unattended and drying to present a fire hazard. The line between
"it's my property and I can do what I like" and "everyone must think
the same way I do" isn't a clear one. I think *most* people would be
agreeable to making minimal effort to be in tune with previailing
norms. This growing dependence on legislation and regulation is what
bothers me. It appears to be designed to relieve all involved from
thinking at all. A can be fined because he has more than 3 dandelion
plants per square yard in an area less than 10' from a public road. B
goes without sanction because he only has a back yard full of poison
ivy. There's also a diminishing effort for neighbors to actually
*talk* to each other, instead of calling the Codes department. You
have a problem? Sic the law on 'em. Don't go over and say, "did you
know there are water restrictions here now?" or "would you mind if I
trimmed your cottonwood tree?"


Tsu

--
To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
- Jules Henri Poincaré

Why on earth does he hang dead deer from the basketball hoop? And why does
he get away with it?
Roz

wrote:
Why on earth does he hang dead deer from the basketball hoop?

Probably to clean it. (It makes more sense to me to hang it from a ceiling
joist inside the garage, but maybe he likes to make a public spectacle.)

And why does he get away with it?

Cause it's not illegal?

Best regards,
Bob

"Tsu Dho Nimh" wrote in message
...
(Frogleg) wrote:

On Sat, 31 May 2003 07:29:35 GMT, (Dianna
Visek) wrote:

Our town was in the process of reworking its "nuisance vegetation"
ordinance. The first draft outlawed all plants that had any parts
poisonous or injurious to humans or animals. We would have been left
with nothing but lettuce!

Not even lettuce ... it has opiates in it, in low concentration.

And it's legal too.

Kathy

In article FztCa.45945$hd6.9249@fed1read05,
wrote:
Why on earth does he hang dead deer from the basketball hoop? And why does
he get away with it?
Roz


Probably to age it. You do know, don't you, that the steaks you buy
in the supermarket have been hanging for around 21 days? While
commercial meat houses hang beef in cool temperatures for long
periods, the tradition for game is to hang it at ambient temperature
for shorter periods. The "gamey" taste of meat harvested by hunting
rather than packaged at the supermarket is in large part due to
insufficient ageing.

billo

the problem is there is no end of laws or people who want to pass laws to govern
peoples bad behavior. they are the control freaks of the world who WANT the power to
pass more and more laws. and frankly, it is the local laws that make people's lives
miserable. because nobody including the judges, etc. know MOST of the laws. So the
reality is most of these laws are never enforced MOST of the time. then some poor
schmuck puts a foot wrong, some cop or control freak neighbor digs into the laws and
finds something to get the schmuck in trouble. this happened with my mothers fence.
the bitch next door dug up some damn law we never heard of about no wire fences. the
city law is such that if my mother had not taken the fence down she would be fined
$1000 dollars a day. so never mind there are all kinds of fence violations .. the
only time it gets enforced is if somebody wants to make life miserable for another
person. well we took the wire fence down (it was such fine gauge you stand back 3
feet couldnt even see it!) and put up one UGGGGGLY green wood fence that met "code".
Of course she was out there with a measuring stick and found it 2" too high in some
spots and bitched about that, and they came back to us and we had to cut some more
off the fence. In any case. She ****ed off the inspectors who proceeded to get out
their rule book, notified her they were going to do a complete inspection of her
property and found all kinds of violations. Of course they told her somebody
complained (and we sure as hell didnt), but we got blamed anyway.

No city should be able to pass more than 100 laws. if they want to pass a new one,
they gotta take an old one off the books.
Every city should fund a binding mediation board composed of citizens drawn randomly
from the voting polls (or drivers license which is how jury duty is done). and
anyone with a problem with a neighbor will present the problem to the board. with a
mediation board there is no need for the endless and stupid laws passed every year.
All those laws do is take away our freedom. The bitch next door could not see that
metal rabbit fencing unless she was standing on my mothers driveway because her
property is so wild and overgrown with honeysuckle and grapes it is too thick to walk
thru. So it is the letter of the law no matter how stupid and unreasonable it is to
enforce. A mediation board would have told her to get a life.
Ingrid

"Warren" wrote:
Within three months the city council was changing the laws that referred
to bus stops.
Living
in a much smaller community, I think the council members are more
familiar with the motives behind the items put in front of them, and are
less likely to rubber-stamp some knee-jerk reaction from some bureaucrat
who wants more power to hassle someone in particular. On the other hand,
in too small of a community, one jerk can have far too much influence.



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Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

Ah, yes. Then we are in perfect agreement. I do that for a woman who lost her
husband about three months ago. She doesn't know how to write a check or mow
her lawn. No comment!!!

We all plan to get her planted with some evergreen shrubs this fall. It is way
too late now to start a project like that in Texas.

I am all for helping someone who is not as well or young or whatever. I suppose
I read the thread with eyes wide shut.

V

On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:08:39 GMT, "Cereoid-UR12yo" wrote:

That is not what we are talking about.

We am talking about neighbors making an effort to help out their elderly and
disabled neighbors who are unable to cut their grass and weeding their
flower beds by volunteering to help them by doing it for them. That would be
for the benefit of all and go a long way toward creating harmony rather than
silly feuds over nothing. People really need to make an effort toward not
being so selfish all the time and working together. Your own neighborhood
is a good place to start, don't you think so?

The law will eventually catch up with your gun happy sicko neighbor. The
kind of help he needs is the work of professionals, if you know what I mean.
He is an aberration not the norm.


animaux wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 08:33:26 -0500, J Kolenovsky
wrote:


People have gotten away from going to the other person and discussing
one-on-one the problem at hand.

There is always a neighbor nobody wants to say anything to. Of course, he
lives
next door to us. He shoots doves out of trees and eats them, has a
stuffed wild
boar head complete with huge tusks over his fireplace and hangs dead deer
from
the basketball hoop in the driveway. I reported him and he has a citation
as a
result.

There are people you cannot talk to about anything.

This same neighbor trapped another neighbors' cat and dumped it many miles
away.
Of course I warned the idiots who let the cat out that this would happen
and it
did. When the cat owners approached the asshole neighbor he would not
tell them
where he dumped the poor cat. Then the cat thief pointed his rifle at
them and
threatened to shoot the man AND his wife.

So, the talking isn't always a good idea.

On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:51:25 -0700, " wrote:

Why on earth does he hang dead deer from the basketball hoop? And why does
he get away with it?
Roz


I guess he bleeds them. He didn't get away with it. I called the police and he
was given a ticket. I don't know, nor do I care how much of a ticket it was.
Imagine my complete and utter freak out when I went out one morning to water and
saw that poor thing hanging there with a bucket of blood under it. This guy is
such an asshole I can't drum up enough words to describe him.

Now he has this friggin trailer in his driveway. Our deed restrictions prevent
anyone for having a trailer in the drive for more than 48 hours. If it isn't
gone by August, I'm taking him to civil court.

Nobody, not one person in all 31 homes in our subdivision talk to or even look
at this idiot. Kids are not allowed to play with his kids. It's a mess.

On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:07:00 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:


Probably to clean it. (It makes more sense to me to hang it from a ceiling
joist inside the garage, but maybe he likes to make a public spectacle.)

He has little man complex, so that is exactly why he does it.


Cause it's not illegal?

Best regards,
Bob

It is illegal here in this town.

wrote in message
...
the problem is there is no end of laws or people who want to pass laws to
govern
peoples bad behavior. they are the control freaks of the world who WANT
the power to
pass more and more laws. and frankly, it is the local laws that make
people's lives
miserable. because nobody including the judges, etc. know MOST of the
laws. So the
reality is most of these laws are never enforced MOST of the time. then
some poor
schmuck puts a foot wrong, some cop or control freak neighbor digs into
the laws and
finds something to get the schmuck in trouble. this happened with my
mothers fence.
the bitch next door dug up some damn law we never heard of about no wire
fences. the
city law is such that if my mother had not taken the fence down she would
be fined
$1000 dollars a day.

In many jurisdictions one has to have a building permit for a fence. In any
case, it always makes sense to check out these things before making
improvements to your property. I wouldn't want to look at a chain link
fence so I would be the one reporting the violation if I were the neighbor.
I find it interesting that your take on this is that the woman who reported
the violation is a "bitch" but your mother who broke the law is a victim.

"animaux" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:51:25 -0700, "
wrote:

Why on earth does he hang dead deer from the basketball hoop? And why
does
he get away with it?
Roz


I guess he bleeds them. He didn't get away with it. I called the police
and he
was given a ticket. I don't know, nor do I care how much of a ticket it
was.
Imagine my complete and utter freak out when I went out one morning to
water and
saw that poor thing hanging there with a bucket of blood under it. This
guy is
such an asshole I can't drum up enough words to describe him.

Now he has this friggin trailer in his driveway. Our deed restrictions
prevent
anyone for having a trailer in the drive for more than 48 hours. If it
isn't
gone by August, I'm taking him to civil court.

We have a similar restriction. Again, out of 150 homes, about three people
insist on violating the rules. I can understand if someone has to have a
trailer for a few days because they are in the middle of a project, but the
people who violate the rules just have one for the hell of it. I found out
this week that our township prohibits the parking of boats, trailers, or
commercial vehicles on residential property unless they are inside a
building or are fully screened and meet setback requirement (ie, they have
to be out of site, one a paved area, and a good distance from the street or
any neighboring property.) You might check with your zoning board and see
what the rules are in your area. You might only have to call the police,
saving you a lot of time and some money to pursue it in court.

Vox Humana wrote:
"animaux" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:51:25 -0700, "

wrote:

Why on earth does he hang dead deer from the basketball hoop? And why

does

he get away with it?
Roz


I guess he bleeds them. He didn't get away with it. I called the police

and he

was given a ticket. I don't know, nor do I care how much of a ticket it

was.

Imagine my complete and utter freak out when I went out one morning to

water and

saw that poor thing hanging there with a bucket of blood under it. This

guy is

such an asshole I can't drum up enough words to describe him.

Now he has this friggin trailer in his driveway. Our deed restrictions

prevent

anyone for having a trailer in the drive for more than 48 hours. If it

isn't

gone by August, I'm taking him to civil court.


We have a similar restriction. Again, out of 150 homes, about three people
insist on violating the rules. I can understand if someone has to have a
trailer for a few days because they are in the middle of a project, but the
people who violate the rules just have one for the hell of it. I found out
this week that our township prohibits the parking of boats, trailers, or
commercial vehicles on residential property unless they are inside a
building or are fully screened and meet setback requirement (ie, they have
to be out of site, one a paved area, and a good distance from the street or
any neighboring property.) You might check with your zoning board and see
what the rules are in your area. You might only have to call the police,
saving you a lot of time and some money to pursue it in court.



Just to play devil's advocate, why is this any different than the "weed
police" everyone was ranting about yesterday?

I just can't see calling the cops to hassle someone over a deed
restriction. Even if the guy is an asshole. No, *especially* if he's an
asshole. It will just escalate, and he won't know when to stop.

Someone should have called the cops when he threatened folks with a gun.
But that's a criminal matter, not civil.

Best regards,
Bob

"Bill Oliver" wrote in message
...
In article FztCa.45945$hd6.9249@fed1read05,
wrote:
Why on earth does he hang dead deer from the basketball hoop? And why
does
he get away with it?
Roz


Probably to age it. You do know, don't you, that the steaks you buy
in the supermarket have been hanging for around 21 days? While
commercial meat houses hang beef in cool temperatures for long
periods, the tradition for game is to hang it at ambient temperature
for shorter periods. The "gamey" taste of meat harvested by hunting
rather than packaged at the supermarket is in large part due to
insufficient ageing.

billo

They might have been in the past but beef is not aged by commercial
processors anymore. It costs too much money in shrinkage. The beef hangs
in the "hot box" for all of 48 hours max before it's cut, packaged and
shipped. After it's package it doesn't hang around all that long before
it's shipped either. There's a lot of it that goes "direct ship" too.
There's a lot of it that is cut and packaged and on a truck in less than 48
hours from the time it walks in the door.

My DH works in a beef packing plant.

Kathy

On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 01:44:44 GMT, "Vox Humana" wrote:


We have a similar restriction. Again, out of 150 homes, about three people
insist on violating the rules. I can understand if someone has to have a
trailer for a few days because they are in the middle of a project, but the
people who violate the rules just have one for the hell of it. I found out
this week that our township prohibits the parking of boats, trailers, or
commercial vehicles on residential property unless they are inside a
building or are fully screened and meet setback requirement (ie, they have
to be out of site, one a paved area, and a good distance from the street or
any neighboring property.) You might check with your zoning board and see
what the rules are in your area. You might only have to call the police,
saving you a lot of time and some money to pursue it in court.


We have the same ordinance as you. Trailers, boats, cars on blocks, etc. are
not tolerated unless inside the fence and not seen from the street or anyone
else's backyard. It's a civil matter. I've asked him for three years to move
it. I'm giving him till August. I think I've been fair. It has been recorded
for three years that I've wanted it out of sight, as well as have signatures of
27 families who also want it out.

Court fees are virtually nothing, and for sure nothing if he is in violation,
which he clearly is. On top of city ordinance, he signed deed restrictions when
he bought in this development, regardless how small it is. It's all half acre
or more zoned in here. 31 houses.

Thing is, I probably would tolerate it if he wasn't such a scumbag about that
cat. What a disgusting thing to do to another human being and even if you hate
the human, to do that to a cat is demonic. He'll get his.

Victoria

On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:33:56 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:


Just to play devil's advocate, why is this any different than the "weed
police" everyone was ranting about yesterday?

I just can't see calling the cops to hassle someone over a deed
restriction. Even if the guy is an asshole. No, *especially* if he's an
asshole. It will just escalate, and he won't know when to stop.

Someone should have called the cops when he threatened folks with a gun.
But that's a criminal matter, not civil.

Best regards,
Bob


The police were called and it was their word against his and they didn't have a
witness. Some laws in Texas are pretty archaic.

As for escalating the situation...I don't mean to sound low classed, but there
are at least ten guys in here who would just love the opportunity to squash this
idiot like a bug. His junk heap and trailer and b-ball hoop that nobody ever
plays with are going to go. We have a lot of money invested in our homes and
his house is the first you see when you enter the gates.

I'd personally love to see him escalate. My husband is the most gentle of all
creatures and even HE said he'd squash that idiot like a bug. We called the
police to have it recorded so when we take him to court the court will clearly
see how tolerant of his heap we all were.

Victoria