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Hope Munro Smith 23-07-2003 09:02 PM

relocating to California
 
Hello,

My husband and I are relocating to California from Texas, and we are
getting contradictory information about whether or which plants we can take
with us. My understanding is that you can take houseplants that have not
spent time outdoors or at least don't have any critters like fire ants in
them. Does anyone have experience with the border check point and what the
procedure is? I don't want to bring a bunch of plants and then have them
thrown out at the border, I'd rather give them away. Thanks for your help!

until soon, Hope

Patty Winter 23-07-2003 09:02 PM

relocating to California
 
In article ,
Hope Munro Smith wrote:

My husband and I are relocating to California from Texas, and we are
getting contradictory information about whether or which plants we can take
with us.


Hope, the California Dept. of Food and Agriculture has a web site
about their Pest Exclusion Branch. I see links from their home page
to specific pages about bringing house plants into California and
about the fire ant problem.

http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/pe/


Patty

Frankhartx 23-07-2003 10:02 PM

relocating to California
 
From: Hope Munro Smith
Newsgroups: rec.gardens


Does anyone have experience with the border check point and what the
procedure is? I don't want to bring a bunch of plants and then have them
thrown out at the border, I'd rather give them away. Thanks for


Border check point? Is California now another country? If it has border check
points then it ought to be..

Hope Munro Smith 23-07-2003 10:02 PM

relocating to California
 
(Frankhartx) wrote in
:

From: Hope Munro Smith

Newsgroups: rec.gardens


Does anyone have experience with the border check point and what the
procedure is? I don't want to bring a bunch of plants and then have
them thrown out at the border, I'd rather give them away. Thanks for


Border check point? Is California now another country? If it has
border check points then it ought to be..


They do indeed have check points:

BORDER STATION INSPECTIONS

Vidal Border StationAgricultural inspections on all private and
commercial vehicles are conducted at sixteen border inspection stations
located on major highways throughout the State (six at the Oregon border,
five at the Nevada border, and five at the Arizona/Mexico border).

More than 33.5 million vehicles were monitored at the California border
agricultural inspection stations in the 2000 calendar year, including
24.5 million automobiles, 6.5 million commercial trucks, more than 706
thousand recreational vehicles, and more than 40 thousand commercial
buses. These figures represent an eight percent increase from the
previous year.

There were over 70 thousand lots of prohibited plant material intercepted
at the border inspection stations. These lots were infested with plant
pests and/or were not properly certified for entry into California. More
than 5 thousand samples of suspected pests were submitted by border
station staff to the Department's Plant Pest Diagnostics Branch for
identification during the year.

Serious pest finds in the Year 2000 included gypsy moth, imported fire
ant, boll weevil, Mexican fruit fly, zebra mussel, pecan weevil, Japanese
beetle, Oriental fruit fly, Mexican fruit fly, European corn borer,
burrowing nematode, musk thistle and diffuse knapweed.

Hope Munro Smith 23-07-2003 10:12 PM

relocating to California
 
(Patty Winter) wrote in
:

In article ,
Hope Munro Smith wrote:

My husband and I are relocating to California from Texas, and we are
getting contradictory information about whether or which plants we can
take with us.


Hope, the California Dept. of Food and Agriculture has a web site
about their Pest Exclusion Branch. I see links from their home page
to specific pages about bringing house plants into California and
about the fire ant problem.

http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/pe/


Patty


Ok, it seems like you can bring the ones that have not been outside or at
least not where fire ants or other critters might have set up housekeeping:

http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/pe/faq_hse_plnts.htm

Phisherman 23-07-2003 10:12 PM

relocating to California
 
On 23 Jul 2003 20:42:11 GMT, (Frankhartx) wrote:

From: Hope Munro Smith

Newsgroups: rec.gardens


Does anyone have experience with the border check point and what the
procedure is? I don't want to bring a bunch of plants and then have them
thrown out at the border, I'd rather give them away. Thanks for


Border check point? Is California now another country? If it has border check
points then it ought to be..



You bet they do. I moved from Ohio to California. They ask if you
have any plants or fruit in the vehicle. The purpose is to protect
the plants in California where much of out fruits and vegetables are
grown. Insects do get into California anyway, often at the airport,
then they had "spray days" where you need to cover and protect your
car's finish and stay inside if you want to avoid the insecticide.

John T. Jarrett 23-07-2003 10:22 PM

relocating to California
 
I have driven to LA a couple of times.

I can guaran-d__n-tee you, on I-10, they have STOP Signs at the border
to California! Permanent signs...looks like toll booths....but they
don't want your money...just your plants...Stop signs on the highway!

We stopped, the fella asked if we had any fruits or vegetables, we
looked at him funny and said, 'No!?!?!?'

He said, 'Ok' and we drove on.

About as weird as getting stopped at a border guard temporary
check-point this side of El Paso coming home and being asked if
everyone in the car was from the US!

Anyway, they will definately ask and they will definately throw them
on a pile of potted plants on the side of the road.

That said, I've never taken plants in so I wouldn't know how to get
them past the border. Maybe a phytosanitation certificate from a local
grower?

John



"Hope Munro Smith" wrote in message
. 83...
(Frankhartx) wrote in
:

From: Hope Munro Smith

Newsgroups: rec.gardens


Does anyone have experience with the border check point and what

the
procedure is? I don't want to bring a bunch of plants and then

have
them thrown out at the border, I'd rather give them away. Thanks

for

Border check point? Is California now another country? If it has
border check points then it ought to be..


They do indeed have check points:

BORDER STATION INSPECTIONS

Vidal Border StationAgricultural inspections on all private and
commercial vehicles are conducted at sixteen border inspection

stations
located on major highways throughout the State (six at the Oregon

border,
five at the Nevada border, and five at the Arizona/Mexico border).

More than 33.5 million vehicles were monitored at the California

border
agricultural inspection stations in the 2000 calendar year,

including
24.5 million automobiles, 6.5 million commercial trucks, more than

706
thousand recreational vehicles, and more than 40 thousand commercial
buses. These figures represent an eight percent increase from the
previous year.

There were over 70 thousand lots of prohibited plant material

intercepted
at the border inspection stations. These lots were infested with

plant
pests and/or were not properly certified for entry into California.

More
than 5 thousand samples of suspected pests were submitted by border
station staff to the Department's Plant Pest Diagnostics Branch for
identification during the year.

Serious pest finds in the Year 2000 included gypsy moth, imported

fire
ant, boll weevil, Mexican fruit fly, zebra mussel, pecan weevil,

Japanese
beetle, Oriental fruit fly, Mexican fruit fly, European corn borer,
burrowing nematode, musk thistle and diffuse knapweed.




Hope Munro Smith 23-07-2003 10:42 PM

relocating to California
 
"John T. Jarrett" wrote in
:

I have driven to LA a couple of times.

I can guaran-d__n-tee you, on I-10, they have STOP Signs at the border
to California! Permanent signs...looks like toll booths....but they
don't want your money...just your plants...Stop signs on the highway!

We stopped, the fella asked if we had any fruits or vegetables, we
looked at him funny and said, 'No!?!?!?'

He said, 'Ok' and we drove on.

About as weird as getting stopped at a border guard temporary
check-point this side of El Paso coming home and being asked if
everyone in the car was from the US!

Anyway, they will definately ask and they will definately throw them
on a pile of potted plants on the side of the road.


DEFINITELY?! The web site says if they have no pests they can go through.
Maybe I should just put them inside the trunk before the border crossing
and lie to the agent?!


That said, I've never taken plants in so I wouldn't know how to get
them past the border. Maybe a phytosanitation certificate from a local
grower?

John


I'm going to post to my local gardening group too and find out...

Hope Munro Smith 23-07-2003 11:12 PM

relocating to California
 
Phisherman wrote in
:

On 23 Jul 2003 20:42:11 GMT, (Frankhartx) wrote:

From: Hope Munro Smith

Newsgroups: rec.gardens


Does anyone have experience with the border check point and what the
procedure is? I don't want to bring a bunch of plants and then have
them thrown out at the border, I'd rather give them away. Thanks for


Border check point? Is California now another country? If it has
border check points then it ought to be..



You bet they do. I moved from Ohio to California. They ask if you
have any plants or fruit in the vehicle. The purpose is to protect
the plants in California where much of out fruits and vegetables are
grown. Insects do get into California anyway, often at the airport,
then they had "spray days" where you need to cover and protect your
car's finish and stay inside if you want to avoid the insecticide.


Did you bring any plants with you?

Figmo 23-07-2003 11:32 PM

relocating to California
 
I'm going to post to my local gardening group too and find out...

Yeah, that's wise. Don't trust the California Dept of Agriculture website,
but see what your buddies in Texas know about California agriculture laws.

Do us a favor and stay in Texas, dimwit.

- Figmo



Hope Munro Smith 23-07-2003 11:42 PM

relocating to California
 
"Figmo" wrote in
. net:

I'm going to post to my local gardening group too and find out...


Yeah, that's wise. Don't trust the California Dept of Agriculture
website, but see what your buddies in Texas know about California
agriculture laws.

Do us a favor and stay in Texas, dimwit.

- Figmo




Gee, you are so sweet! Austin.gardening *has* people who have moved back
and forth between here and California.

Tracey 23-07-2003 11:42 PM

relocating to California
 
Maybe I should just put them inside the trunk before
the border crossing and lie to the agent?!


Oh, I wouldn't do that. A random vehicle check would
then sure put a crimp in your day.

Tracey


jammer 24-07-2003 12:32 AM

relocating to California
 
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:41:52 +0000 (UTC), Hope Munro Smith
wrote:

Hello,

My husband and I are relocating to California from Texas, and we are
getting contradictory information about whether or which plants we can take
with us. My understanding is that you can take houseplants that have not
spent time outdoors or at least don't have any critters like fire ants in
them. Does anyone have experience with the border check point and what the
procedure is? I don't want to bring a bunch of plants and then have them
thrown out at the border, I'd rather give them away. Thanks for your help!

until soon, Hope


Back in the late 70's they took an apple away from me that i was
eating. They took all of my other fruit, too.

I cant wait to move back to california from texas. Every year i go
home to california and bring back, in my suitcase, aloe and wandering
jew. It's wierd to see the wandering jew die and reappear each year. I
have tried other plants but they never made it. I was out there last
month and bought my mom some of these low to the ground flowering
plants with such BRIGHT colors!! You'll have to hit a nursery when you
get there to see what i am talking about.

Enjoy the weather when you get there! This weather sucks!




jammer 24-07-2003 12:32 AM

relocating to California
 
Mail the plants to someone out there and if you dont know anyone, mail
them to someone who can keep them alive until they can ship them to
you. Plants survive large ziplocks with a couple of wet paper towels
quite well.


On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:13:09 -0500, "John T. Jarrett"
wrote:

I have driven to LA a couple of times.

I can guaran-d__n-tee you, on I-10, they have STOP Signs at the border
to California! Permanent signs...looks like toll booths....but they
don't want your money...just your plants...Stop signs on the highway!

We stopped, the fella asked if we had any fruits or vegetables, we
looked at him funny and said, 'No!?!?!?'

He said, 'Ok' and we drove on.

About as weird as getting stopped at a border guard temporary
check-point this side of El Paso coming home and being asked if
everyone in the car was from the US!

Anyway, they will definately ask and they will definately throw them
on a pile of potted plants on the side of the road.

That said, I've never taken plants in so I wouldn't know how to get
them past the border. Maybe a phytosanitation certificate from a local
grower?

John



"Hope Munro Smith" wrote in message
.83...
(Frankhartx) wrote in
:

From: Hope Munro Smith

Newsgroups: rec.gardens

Does anyone have experience with the border check point and what

the
procedure is? I don't want to bring a bunch of plants and then

have
them thrown out at the border, I'd rather give them away. Thanks

for

Border check point? Is California now another country? If it has
border check points then it ought to be..


They do indeed have check points:

BORDER STATION INSPECTIONS

Vidal Border StationAgricultural inspections on all private and
commercial vehicles are conducted at sixteen border inspection

stations
located on major highways throughout the State (six at the Oregon

border,
five at the Nevada border, and five at the Arizona/Mexico border).

More than 33.5 million vehicles were monitored at the California

border
agricultural inspection stations in the 2000 calendar year,

including
24.5 million automobiles, 6.5 million commercial trucks, more than

706
thousand recreational vehicles, and more than 40 thousand commercial
buses. These figures represent an eight percent increase from the
previous year.

There were over 70 thousand lots of prohibited plant material

intercepted
at the border inspection stations. These lots were infested with

plant
pests and/or were not properly certified for entry into California.

More
than 5 thousand samples of suspected pests were submitted by border
station staff to the Department's Plant Pest Diagnostics Branch for
identification during the year.

Serious pest finds in the Year 2000 included gypsy moth, imported

fire
ant, boll weevil, Mexican fruit fly, zebra mussel, pecan weevil,

Japanese
beetle, Oriental fruit fly, Mexican fruit fly, European corn borer,
burrowing nematode, musk thistle and diffuse knapweed.




NewsUser 24-07-2003 01:02 AM

relocating to California
 

"Hope Munro Smith" wrote in message
. 83...
Hello,

My husband and I are relocating to California from Texas,


My condolences....



Hope Munro Smith 24-07-2003 01:12 AM

relocating to California
 
In article , Tracey
wrote:

Maybe I should just put them inside the trunk before
the border crossing and lie to the agent?!


Oh, I wouldn't do that. A random vehicle check would
then sure put a crimp in your day.

Tracey


Yeah, I suppose it would! Well thanks for all the ideas.
I will let you know what the results are. I would like to take
at least my orchids and my lucky bamboo, considering how much it
cost to buy them!

Hope Munro Smith 24-07-2003 01:12 AM

relocating to California
 
In article ,
"NewsUser" wrote:

"Hope Munro Smith" wrote in message
. 83...
Hello,

My husband and I are relocating to California from Texas,


My condolences....



LOL, that was where the job was!

Kate ...... 24-07-2003 01:12 AM

relocating to California
 


NewsUser wrote:

"Hope Munro Smith" wrote in message
. 83...
Hello,

My husband and I are relocating to California from Texas,


My condolences....


My husband and I were traveling from Ohio to CA. in the late eighties.
We were in a motor home. They ask if we had any fruit are plants. I
said, no. Forgetting we did have fruit in the fridge. They searched the
motor home and took grapes and oranges. Told us we were welcome to pull
over to the side and eat it . Otherwise it was to be thrown on their
pile. They did take it.


Phisherman 24-07-2003 01:22 AM

relocating to California
 
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:00:24 +0000 (UTC), Hope Munro Smith
wrote:

Phisherman wrote in
:

On 23 Jul 2003 20:42:11 GMT, (Frankhartx) wrote:

From: Hope Munro Smith

Newsgroups: rec.gardens

Does anyone have experience with the border check point and what the
procedure is? I don't want to bring a bunch of plants and then have
them thrown out at the border, I'd rather give them away. Thanks for

Border check point? Is California now another country? If it has
border check points then it ought to be..



You bet they do. I moved from Ohio to California. They ask if you
have any plants or fruit in the vehicle. The purpose is to protect
the plants in California where much of out fruits and vegetables are
grown. Insects do get into California anyway, often at the airport,
then they had "spray days" where you need to cover and protect your
car's finish and stay inside if you want to avoid the insecticide.


Did you bring any plants with you?


No. I found new homes for my plants. I had an African violet
collection which would not preferred the drier climate of LA anyway.
I started collecting unusual cactus plants which most love the
southwest. Relocating was an adventure.

Starlord 24-07-2003 05:22 AM

relocating to California
 
If you have an address for postal mail, take and the day before you leave, clean
soil away, pack'm up and ship them via 1st class mail and you'll get them ok and
ready for planting.


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towards an east that would not know another dawn.
But elsewhere the stars were still young and the light of morning
lingered: and along the path he once had followed, man would one day go
again."

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"Hope Munro Smith" wrote in message
. 83...
Hello,

My husband and I are relocating to California from Texas, and we are
getting contradictory information about whether or which plants we can take
with us. My understanding is that you can take houseplants that have not
spent time outdoors or at least don't have any critters like fire ants in
them. Does anyone have experience with the border check point and what the
procedure is? I don't want to bring a bunch of plants and then have them
thrown out at the border, I'd rather give them away. Thanks for your help!

until soon, Hope




Jan Flora 24-07-2003 12:32 PM

relocating to California
 
In article , Hope Munro
Smith wrote:

Hello,

My husband and I are relocating to California from Texas, and we are
getting contradictory information about whether or which plants we can take
with us. My understanding is that you can take houseplants that have not
spent time outdoors or at least don't have any critters like fire ants in
them. Does anyone have experience with the border check point and what the
procedure is? I don't want to bring a bunch of plants and then have them
thrown out at the border, I'd rather give them away. Thanks for your help!

until soon, Hope


See if you can have your plants inspected by an ag agent before you leave TX.
The plants need to be insect and disease free. It's not a big deal, but bringing
new bugs/diseases into Calif. could be. The ag agent would probably give you
a piece of paper that says your plants are clean.

Yes, the border cops in Calif. will ask you about plants. They're trying to keep
bugs/diseases out of the state. It's a big deal, since California is the
food basket
of America.

The last time I drove into Canada from Washington state, they took away a bag
of #1 non-certified potatos. They're trying to keep the potato blight out
of Canada,
and it's present in WA state. (That's the spud blight that caused a
million Irish to
starve to death, and another 1.6 million to move to America in the 1880's. Two
pairs of my great-grandparents left Ireland because of the pratie famine. Our
family who stayed behind all died of starvation.)

Take the plant inspection stuff seriously, because it *is* serious. Don't import
anything with bugs or disease. Call your state ag dept. and ask for an
inspection
or ask them what procedure they recommend. You may be able to ask the border
guys in Calif. for an inspection.

Jan

COLT STEELE 24-07-2003 01:32 PM

relocating to California
 
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 03:33:46 -0800, (Jan Flora) had a
brain fart and confessed:

In article , Hope Munro
Smith wrote:

Hello,

My husband and I are relocating to California from Texas, and we are
getting contradictory information about whether or which plants we can take
with us. My understanding is that you can take houseplants that have not
spent time outdoors or at least don't have any critters like fire ants in
them. Does anyone have experience with the border check point and what the
procedure is? I don't want to bring a bunch of plants and then have them
thrown out at the border, I'd rather give them away. Thanks for your help!

until soon, Hope


See if you can have your plants inspected by an ag agent before you leave TX.
The plants need to be insect and disease free. It's not a big deal, but bringing
new bugs/diseases into Calif. could be. The ag agent would probably give you
a piece of paper that says your plants are clean.

Yes, the border cops in Calif. will ask you about plants. They're trying to keep
bugs/diseases out of the state. It's a big deal, since California is the
food basket
of America.


Just take the long way thru Mexico, they check those borders lol
.......


Hope Munro Smith 24-07-2003 06:02 PM

relocating to California
 
(Jan Flora) wrote in
:

In article , Hope
Munro Smith wrote:

Hello,

My husband and I are relocating to California from Texas, and we are
getting contradictory information about whether or which plants we
can take with us. My understanding is that you can take houseplants
that have not spent time outdoors or at least don't have any critters
like fire ants in them. Does anyone have experience with the border
check point and what the procedure is? I don't want to bring a bunch
of plants and then have them thrown out at the border, I'd rather
give them away. Thanks for your help!

until soon, Hope


See if you can have your plants inspected by an ag agent before you
leave TX. The plants need to be insect and disease free. It's not a
big deal, but bringing new bugs/diseases into Calif. could be. The ag
agent would probably give you a piece of paper that says your plants
are clean.

Yes, the border cops in Calif. will ask you about plants. They're
trying to keep bugs/diseases out of the state. It's a big deal, since
California is the food basket
of America.

The last time I drove into Canada from Washington state, they took
away a bag of #1 non-certified potatos. They're trying to keep the
potato blight out of Canada,
and it's present in WA state. (That's the spud blight that caused a
million Irish to
starve to death, and another 1.6 million to move to America in the
1880's. Two pairs of my great-grandparents left Ireland because of the
pratie famine. Our family who stayed behind all died of starvation.)

Take the plant inspection stuff seriously, because it *is* serious.
Don't import anything with bugs or disease. Call your state ag dept.
and ask for an inspection
or ask them what procedure they recommend. You may be able to ask the
border guys in Calif. for an inspection.

Jan


Yes, that's why I'm posting to various gardening groups asking advice.
Sorry if I appear neurotic, I really don't want to have my plants tossed
in the garbage when I reach California! I'm leaning towards giving them
ALL away at this point!

Charles 25-07-2003 03:02 AM

relocating to California
 
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:41:52 +0000 (UTC), Hope Munro Smith
wrote:

Hello,

My husband and I are relocating to California from Texas, and we are
getting contradictory information about whether or which plants we can take
with us. My understanding is that you can take houseplants that have not
spent time outdoors or at least don't have any critters like fire ants in
them. Does anyone have experience with the border check point and what the
procedure is? I don't want to bring a bunch of plants and then have them
thrown out at the border, I'd rather give them away. Thanks for your help!

until soon, Hope



I've brought nursery plants into California from Oregon, I told them I
had nursery plants and they said fine.

The last time I came through, last Sunday, the inspection station was
not even manned. this was on I-5 from Oregon.


--

- Charles
-
-does not play well with others

Frogleg 25-07-2003 11:42 AM

relocating to California
 
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:01:41 GMT, Charles
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:41:52 +0000 (UTC), Hope Munro Smith
wrote:


My husband and I are relocating to California from Texas, and we are
getting contradictory information about whether or which plants we can take
with us.


I've brought nursery plants into California from Oregon, I told them I
had nursery plants and they said fine.

The last time I came through, last Sunday, the inspection station was
not even manned. this was on I-5 from Oregon.


The object, as Hope indicated, is not to 'sneak' plants into Calif.,
but to find information on what can/cannot be brought in.

Hope -- have you discovered:

http://134.186.235.120/phpps/pe/faq_hse_plnts.htm

This is the CA dept. of ag's FAQ on your question.


Hope Munro Smith 25-07-2003 09:02 PM

relocating to California
 
Frogleg wrote in
:

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:01:41 GMT, Charles
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:41:52 +0000 (UTC), Hope Munro Smith
wrote:


My husband and I are relocating to California from Texas, and we are
getting contradictory information about whether or which plants we
can take with us.


I've brought nursery plants into California from Oregon, I told them I
had nursery plants and they said fine.

The last time I came through, last Sunday, the inspection station was
not even manned. this was on I-5 from Oregon.


The object, as Hope indicated, is not to 'sneak' plants into Calif.,
but to find information on what can/cannot be brought in.

Hope -- have you discovered:

http://134.186.235.120/phpps/pe/faq_hse_plnts.htm

This is the CA dept. of ag's FAQ on your question.



Yes, I have looked at this, and it is very ambiguous. Basically, it says
you can try to bring whatever you like, but we may dump it on the side of
the road if we don't like the looks of it.

Philip 25-07-2003 09:42 PM

relocating to California
 

"Hope Munro Smith" wrote in message Yes, I have looked
at this, and it is very ambiguous. Basically, it says
you can try to bring whatever you like, but we may dump it on the side of
the road if we don't like the looks of it.


I think the main thing they're looking for is unwanted bugs, such as fire
ants (dear God make sure you're not bringing any, please) and fruit flies.
Fruit plants are usually the most looked at, and from what you're talking
about bringing I don't think you'll have a problem.

Now then, where in our fine state is your final destination?

Philip



Hope Munro Smith 25-07-2003 10:22 PM

relocating to California
 
"Philip" wrote in
news:kAgUa.145298$ye4.99443@sccrnsc01:


"Hope Munro Smith" wrote in message Yes, I have
looked at this, and it is very ambiguous. Basically, it says
you can try to bring whatever you like, but we may dump it on the
side of the road if we don't like the looks of it.


I think the main thing they're looking for is unwanted bugs, such as
fire ants (dear God make sure you're not bringing any, please) and
fruit flies. Fruit plants are usually the most looked at, and from
what you're talking about bringing I don't think you'll have a
problem.


Don't worry, no fire ants! Those things are evil!


Now then, where in our fine state is your final destination?


Fresno

Frogleg 26-07-2003 01:32 AM

relocating to California
 
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:49:26 +0000 (UTC), Hope Munro Smith
wrote:

Frogleg wrote in
:


Hope -- have you discovered:

http://134.186.235.120/phpps/pe/faq_hse_plnts.htm

This is the CA dept. of ag's FAQ on your question.


Yes, I have looked at this, and it is very ambiguous. Basically, it says
you can try to bring whatever you like, but we may dump it on the side of
the road if we don't like the looks of it.


Did you notice that the page has a phone # and e-mail address for
questions? Although they may be of as much use as the IRS hotline
that doesn't excuse you from prosecution if you follow their advice
and it's wrong, at least it's better than getting "I think I read once
that..." answers in the newsgroup.

Hope Munro Smith 26-07-2003 06:32 PM

relocating to California
 
In article ,
Frogleg wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:49:26 +0000 (UTC), Hope Munro Smith
wrote:

Frogleg wrote in
:


Hope -- have you discovered:

http://134.186.235.120/phpps/pe/faq_hse_plnts.htm

This is the CA dept. of ag's FAQ on your question.


Yes, I have looked at this, and it is very ambiguous. Basically, it says
you can try to bring whatever you like, but we may dump it on the side of
the road if we don't like the looks of it.


Did you notice that the page has a phone # and e-mail address for
questions? Although they may be of as much use as the IRS hotline
that doesn't excuse you from prosecution if you follow their advice
and it's wrong, at least it's better than getting "I think I read once
that..." answers in the newsgroup.


Yes, I did email the agent. She gave me an idea of how long it takes to
get through the checkpoint, and that they are basically looking for bugs
and disease. Here is what she said:

"The inspection process is usually quite fast, and may involve only a
few questions by the agricultural inspector. If the inspector does look
at your plants and sees an insect or disease of concern, the material is
confiscated which does not take very long."

So I feel better. I am *only* taking plants that have spent their lives
inside, so I think I'll be fine.

Jan Flora 26-07-2003 07:12 PM

relocating to California
 
In article , Hope Munro
Smith wrote:

"Philip" wrote in
news:kAgUa.145298$ye4.99443@sccrnsc01:


"Hope Munro Smith" wrote in message Yes, I have
looked at this, and it is very ambiguous. Basically, it says
you can try to bring whatever you like, but we may dump it on the
side of the road if we don't like the looks of it.


I think the main thing they're looking for is unwanted bugs, such as
fire ants (dear God make sure you're not bringing any, please) and
fruit flies. Fruit plants are usually the most looked at, and from
what you're talking about bringing I don't think you'll have a
problem.


Don't worry, no fire ants! Those things are evil!


Now then, where in our fine state is your final destination?


Fresno


Don't toss your good plants. Bring them and offer them for inspection
at the border station. At least root cuttings from all of your favorites
and bring them!

I grew up in Calif. My mom is a horticulturist. We travelled extensively
all over the west. My mom used to *fill* the car with plants, then try
to stuff my little brother and me in there somewhere. She inspected every-
thing before she bought it, and never had anything taken away upon
inspection.

In Fresno, you can grow *everything.* Fruit trees, nut trees, tomatoes
right outdoors, herbs like crazy. That isn't my favorite town in the state,
but boy, howdy, is it a great area for gardening! You can run up into the
Sierra when it gets too hot : )

Jan, in Alaska

Hope Munro Smith 27-07-2003 08:12 PM

relocating to California
 
In article ,
(Jan Flora) wrote:

In article , Hope Munro
Smith wrote:

"Philip" wrote in
news:kAgUa.145298$ye4.99443@sccrnsc01:


"Hope Munro Smith" wrote in message Yes, I have
looked at this, and it is very ambiguous. Basically, it says
you can try to bring whatever you like, but we may dump it on the
side of the road if we don't like the looks of it.

I think the main thing they're looking for is unwanted bugs, such as
fire ants (dear God make sure you're not bringing any, please) and
fruit flies. Fruit plants are usually the most looked at, and from
what you're talking about bringing I don't think you'll have a
problem.


Don't worry, no fire ants! Those things are evil!


Now then, where in our fine state is your final destination?


Fresno


Don't toss your good plants. Bring them and offer them for inspection
at the border station. At least root cuttings from all of your favorites
and bring them!


Yes, that's what we plan to do!


I grew up in Calif. My mom is a horticulturist. We travelled extensively
all over the west. My mom used to *fill* the car with plants, then try
to stuff my little brother and me in there somewhere. She inspected every-
thing before she bought it, and never had anything taken away upon
inspection.


Yes, I'm going to repot everything in fresh soil,
except for the lucky bamboo, which is in water of course.


In Fresno, you can grow *everything.* Fruit trees, nut trees, tomatoes
right outdoors, herbs like crazy. That isn't my favorite town in the state,
but boy, howdy, is it a great area for gardening! You can run up into the
Sierra when it gets too hot : )


Yay!

Patty Winter 27-07-2003 10:22 PM

relocating to California
 
In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In Fresno, you can grow *everything.* Fruit trees, nut trees, tomatoes
right outdoors, herbs like crazy. That isn't my favorite town in the state,
but boy, howdy, is it a great area for gardening!


I forget whether Hope said anything about being familiar with Fresno
or whether it's a new place for her, so apologies if this is redundant
information, but the Forestiere Underground Gardens are definitely
worth a visit. (For those who don't know, there are lots of openings
in the roof of the house that let light in for the plants.)


Patty



Hope Munro Smith 30-08-2003 02:02 AM

relocating to California
 
In article ,
Hope Munro Smith wrote:

(Patty Winter) wrote in
:

In article ,
Hope Munro Smith wrote:

My husband and I are relocating to California from Texas, and we are
getting contradictory information about whether or which plants we can
take with us.


Hope, the California Dept. of Food and Agriculture has a web site
about their Pest Exclusion Branch. I see links from their home page
to specific pages about bringing house plants into California and
about the fire ant problem.

http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/pe/


Patty


Ok, it seems like you can bring the ones that have not been outside or at
least not where fire ants or other critters might have set up housekeeping:

http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/pe/faq_hse_plnts.htm


Just dropping a note to the group to let you know we reached Fresno
safely. We had absolutely NO problems at the border getting our plants
through. The agent at the inspection station asked if we had any plants,
we said "yes a few houseplants" then she asked us where we were from,
noted it on her clipboard, and waved us through. We think the agent just
didn't want to get out of her booth, since the outdoor temperature was
about 103 when we crossed the Cali-Arizona border! Everything lived, a
few sunburned leaves but that's it.

until soon, Hope

Siberian Husky 30-08-2003 09:02 AM

relocating to California
 
Hope Munro Smith wrote in message ...
In article ,
Hope Munro Smith wrote:
Ok, it seems like you can bring the ones that have not been outside or at
least not where fire ants or other critters might have set up housekeeping:

http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/pe/faq_hse_plnts.htm


Just dropping a note to the group to let you know we reached Fresno
safely. We had absolutely NO problems at the border getting our plants
through. The agent at the inspection station asked if we had any plants,
we said "yes a few houseplants" then she asked us where we were from,
noted it on her clipboard, and waved us through. We think the agent just
didn't want to get out of her booth, since the outdoor temperature was
about 103 when we crossed the Cali-Arizona border! Everything lived, a
few sunburned leaves but that's it.


I guess she thought -- any bugs on the plants cannot survive such a
long journey on interstate 10 .... 8)

Probably in Texas right now there is no pending bug problems (like
California Med flies, or Washington apple maggots) and the agent
doesn't mind that much.

until soon, Hope


Philip 30-08-2003 04:32 PM

relocating to California
 
Glad to hear you made it safely, glad to hear the plants did too. Let us
know how things go!

Philip
"Hope Munro Smith" wrote in message
...
Just dropping a note to the group to let you know we reached Fresno
safely. We had absolutely NO problems at the border getting our plants
through. The agent at the inspection station asked if we had any plants,
we said "yes a few houseplants" then she asked us where we were from,
noted it on her clipboard, and waved us through. We think the agent just
didn't want to get out of her booth, since the outdoor temperature was
about 103 when we crossed the Cali-Arizona border! Everything lived, a
few sunburned leaves but that's it.




Hope Munro Smith 30-08-2003 10:22 PM

relocating to California
 
In article ,
(Siberian Husky) wrote:

Hope Munro Smith wrote in message
...
In article ,
Hope Munro Smith wrote:
Ok, it seems like you can bring the ones that have not been outside or at
least not where fire ants or other critters might have set up
housekeeping:

http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/pe/faq_hse_plnts.htm

Just dropping a note to the group to let you know we reached Fresno
safely. We had absolutely NO problems at the border getting our plants
through. The agent at the inspection station asked if we had any plants,
we said "yes a few houseplants" then she asked us where we were from,
noted it on her clipboard, and waved us through. We think the agent just
didn't want to get out of her booth, since the outdoor temperature was
about 103 when we crossed the Cali-Arizona border! Everything lived, a
few sunburned leaves but that's it.


I guess she thought -- any bugs on the plants cannot survive such a
long journey on interstate 10 .... 8)


LOL! I did follow the advice of several people here and made a tent
over the plants inside the car.


Probably in Texas right now there is no pending bug problems (like
California Med flies, or Washington apple maggots) and the agent
doesn't mind that much.


That makes sense!


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