Oak Wilt! Burr Oaks and Alamo Injection? Urgent Help?
I have Oak Wilt. Had 3 tree companies out. Plan is to trench, remove
lost causes, and inject potential 'savables' with Alamo. Only Red oaks have succumed. The Burr oaks seem fine. I was told: 1. Reds & Burrs don't root graft between the species. The only way the Burrs could get it is via beetles, etc. 2. 2 Companies say I don't have to inject the Burrs with Alamo. 1 Company wants to do it. 3. We are talking 3 Majestic-sized burrs & 1 smaller one. The cost is astronomical. We are more than willing to sink alot of cash into saving our trees, but we are by no means wealthy and injecting the burrs. Estimated cost on the burrs alone is $1350.00. I just hate to toss away money needlessly and I don't know what to do here & who to listen to. Because of the severe nature of Oak Wilt, I don't have much time to gather more estimates, opinions. I've tried searching the net & can't find specific advice on if I should inject the burrs or not. I'm going to call the Morton Arboretum Plant Clinic when they open for advice & also have an email to the U of I Plant Clinic. If there are any knowledgeable tree people with Oak Wilt. I'd appreciate your advice on this matter. I have to make a quick decision here. I posted this also on "forestry". Can anyone suggest a more appropriate Google group to post this to? Thank you! I'm freeking out. |
Oak Wilt! Burr Oaks and Alamo Injection? Urgent Help?
Are you referring to Sudden Oak Death? If so, I wasn't aware that is has
affected any trees outside of California and (possibly) Oregon. http://www.suddenoakdeath.org Dave "Lisa" wrote in message om... I have Oak Wilt. Had 3 tree companies out. Plan is to trench, remove lost causes, and inject potential 'savables' with Alamo. Only Red oaks have succumed. The Burr oaks seem fine. I was told: 1. Reds & Burrs don't root graft between the species. The only way the Burrs could get it is via beetles, etc. 2. 2 Companies say I don't have to inject the Burrs with Alamo. 1 Company wants to do it. 3. We are talking 3 Majestic-sized burrs & 1 smaller one. The cost is astronomical. We are more than willing to sink alot of cash into saving our trees, but we are by no means wealthy and injecting the burrs. Estimated cost on the burrs alone is $1350.00. I just hate to toss away money needlessly and I don't know what to do here & who to listen to. Because of the severe nature of Oak Wilt, I don't have much time to gather more estimates, opinions. I've tried searching the net & can't find specific advice on if I should inject the burrs or not. I'm going to call the Morton Arboretum Plant Clinic when they open for advice & also have an email to the U of I Plant Clinic. If there are any knowledgeable tree people with Oak Wilt. I'd appreciate your advice on this matter. I have to make a quick decision here. I posted this also on "forestry". Can anyone suggest a more appropriate Google group to post this to? Thank you! I'm freeking out. |
Oak Wilt! Burr Oaks and Alamo Injection? Urgent Help?
Hi David,
Definitely talk to the U of I people and do you have a national agricultural office you can call? Or a state one? we do in Canada, and all serious problems are handled by them. Sudden Oak Death and other serious diseases are dealt with( listed and advised upon) through them. J.Lane "David J Bockman" wrote in message ... Are you referring to Sudden Oak Death? If so, I wasn't aware that is has affected any trees outside of California and (possibly) Oregon. http://www.suddenoakdeath.org Dave "Lisa" wrote in message om... I have Oak Wilt. Had 3 tree companies out. Plan is to trench, remove lost causes, and inject potential 'savables' with Alamo. Only Red oaks have succumed. The Burr oaks seem fine. I was told: 1. Reds & Burrs don't root graft between the species. The only way the Burrs could get it is via beetles, etc. 2. 2 Companies say I don't have to inject the Burrs with Alamo. 1 Company wants to do it. 3. We are talking 3 Majestic-sized burrs & 1 smaller one. The cost is astronomical. We are more than willing to sink alot of cash into saving our trees, but we are by no means wealthy and injecting the burrs. Estimated cost on the burrs alone is $1350.00. I just hate to toss away money needlessly and I don't know what to do here & who to listen to. Because of the severe nature of Oak Wilt, I don't have much time to gather more estimates, opinions. I've tried searching the net & can't find specific advice on if I should inject the burrs or not. I'm going to call the Morton Arboretum Plant Clinic when they open for advice & also have an email to the U of I Plant Clinic. If there are any knowledgeable tree people with Oak Wilt. I'd appreciate your advice on this matter. I have to make a quick decision here. I posted this also on "forestry". Can anyone suggest a more appropriate Google group to post this to? Thank you! I'm freeking out. |
Oak Wilt! Burr Oaks and Alamo Injection? Urgent Help?
In article , "David J Bockman"
writes: Are you referring to Sudden Oak Death? If so, I wasn't aware that is has affected any trees outside of California and (possibly) Oregon. http://www.suddenoakdeath.org Dave Dave (and others) I think that there are different diseases being confused here. Sudden Oak Death is Phytophthora ramorum ( infecting tan oaks and black oaks in coastal Calif.) Oak Root Fungus is Armillaria mellea Oak Wilt is Ceratocystis fagacearum (mainly in the Middle west) Emilie NorCal |
Oak Wilt! Burr Oaks and Alamo Injection? Urgent Help?
On 25 Jul 2003 09:50:08 -0700, (Lisa) wrote:
I have Oak Wilt. Had 3 tree companies out. Plan is to trench, remove lost causes, and inject potential 'savables' with Alamo. Only Red oaks have succumed. The Burr oaks seem fine. I was told: 1. Reds & Burrs don't root graft between the species. The only way the Burrs could get it is via beetles, etc. true. 2. 2 Companies say I don't have to inject the Burrs with Alamo. true 1 Company wants to do it. go with one of the others 3. We are talking 3 Majestic-sized burrs & 1 smaller one. The cost is astronomical. I'm sure. The Bur oaks are not likely to get oak wilt under any circumstances. The fact that nearby red oaks had the disease won't matter provided you remove the dead trees before fungal mats can form on them. Even if a fungal mat does form, the only way the bur oaks could contract the disease is if an insect walked in the fungus and carried spores to a fresh wound on the bur oaks. Remove the dead trees, inject any remaining red oaks within 150 feet of the dead ones, and paint any future wounds on any of your oaks to discourage insects from dropping by. Here's a site that may be helpful for clearing up questions: http://plantpathology.tamu.edu/Texlab/oakwilt.html Good luck, Keith Babberney ISA Certified Arborist For more info about the International Society of Arboriculture, please visit http://www2.champaign.isa-arbor.com/. For consumer info about tree care, visit http://www2.champaign.isa-arbor.com/.../consumer.html |
Oak Wilt! Burr Oaks and Alamo Injection? Urgent Help?
On 25 Jul 2003 09:50:08 -0700, (Lisa) wrote:
I have Oak Wilt. Had 3 tree companies out. Plan is to trench, remove lost causes, and inject potential 'savables' with Alamo. Only Red oaks have succumed. The Burr oaks seem fine. I was told: 1. Reds & Burrs don't root graft between the species. The only way the Burrs could get it is via beetles, etc. true. 2. 2 Companies say I don't have to inject the Burrs with Alamo. true 1 Company wants to do it. go with one of the others 3. We are talking 3 Majestic-sized burrs & 1 smaller one. The cost is astronomical. I'm sure. The Bur oaks are not likely to get oak wilt under any circumstances. The fact that nearby red oaks had the disease won't matter provided you remove the dead trees before fungal mats can form on them. Even if a fungal mat does form, the only way the bur oaks could contract the disease is if an insect walked in the fungus and carried spores to a fresh wound on the bur oaks. Remove the dead trees, inject any remaining red oaks within 150 feet of the dead ones, and paint any future wounds on any of your oaks to discourage insects from dropping by. Here's a site that may be helpful for clearing up questions: http://plantpathology.tamu.edu/Texlab/oakwilt.html Good luck, Keith Babberney ISA Certified Arborist For more info about the International Society of Arboriculture, please visit http://www2.champaign.isa-arbor.com/. For consumer info about tree care, visit http://www2.champaign.isa-arbor.com/.../consumer.html |
Oak Wilt! Burr Oaks and Alamo Injection? Urgent Help?
Thanks Keith. I have an acre. They counted 21 Reds that are still
alive. One is showing symptoms. Cost to Alamo all 21 is $4,153.50. This is at $13 per inch. One is ridiculously far away from anything & he gave me the option on that one (a $221 savings). :( Then he tells me this should be done every 2 years. $4k every 2 years? Huh!? Don't know about that part. Either way, this is beyond depressing. I'll hold off on treating the Burrs and will watch them closely. This Alamo stuff better "do" something for me or I'll be mighty PO'd. (Babberney) wrote in message ... On 25 Jul 2003 09:50:08 -0700, (Lisa) wrote: I have Oak Wilt. Had 3 tree companies out. Plan is to trench, remove lost causes, and inject potential 'savables' with Alamo. Only Red oaks have succumed. The Burr oaks seem fine. I was told: 1. Reds & Burrs don't root graft between the species. The only way the Burrs could get it is via beetles, etc. true. 2. 2 Companies say I don't have to inject the Burrs with Alamo. true 1 Company wants to do it. go with one of the others 3. We are talking 3 Majestic-sized burrs & 1 smaller one. The cost is astronomical. I'm sure. The Bur oaks are not likely to get oak wilt under any circumstances. The fact that nearby red oaks had the disease won't matter provided you remove the dead trees before fungal mats can form on them. Even if a fungal mat does form, the only way the bur oaks could contract the disease is if an insect walked in the fungus and carried spores to a fresh wound on the bur oaks. Remove the dead trees, inject any remaining red oaks within 150 feet of the dead ones, and paint any future wounds on any of your oaks to discourage insects from dropping by. Here's a site that may be helpful for clearing up questions: http://plantpathology.tamu.edu/Texlab/oakwilt.html Good luck, Keith Babberney ISA Certified Arborist For more info about the International Society of Arboriculture, please visit http://www2.champaign.isa-arbor.com/. For consumer info about tree care, visit http://www2.champaign.isa-arbor.com/.../consumer.html |
Oak Wilt! Burr Oaks and Alamo Injection? Urgent Help?
On 6 Aug 2003 12:27:21 -0700, (Lisa) wrote:
Thanks Keith. I have an acre. They counted 21 Reds that are still alive. One is showing symptoms. Cost to Alamo all 21 is $4,153.50. This is at $13 per inch. One is ridiculously far away from anything & he gave me the option on that one (a $221 savings). :( Then he tells me this should be done every 2 years. $4k every 2 years? Huh!? Don't know about that part. Either way, this is beyond depressing. I'll hold off on treating the Burrs and will watch them closely. This Alamo stuff better "do" something for me or I'll be mighty PO'd. I hate to soundlike a doomsayer, but whoever is treating these trees should have made it plain there are no guarantees. Once a red oak show symptoms, it's unlikely to survive. Live oaks are more likely to benefit from treatment after the signs have appeared. Trearting the adjacent trees is more likely to make a difference. If trees have been infected but haven't shown symptoms, you may avert disaster by treatment (but still no guarantee). For trees that are nearby but not infected, injections are preventative and, in that capacity, temporary. Retreatment is probably a good idea, but you might could get away with treating the trees that were closest to the worst case. This is assuming you remove any trees and branches that may die in a timely fashion. Once they're gone, the roots will harbor the pathogen for awhile, and that's why you should treat the adjacent trees (the disease spreads by root graft, if I haven't mentioned that). But how long it will be a threat there is debateable, AFAIK. I welcome any evidence to the contrary. If you haven't looked at a third-party description of the problem, go to the Texas A&M link: http://plantpathology.tamu.edu/Texlab/oakwilt.html You may also be able to find a similar link at a university or extension office web site closer to you geographically. Good luck, Keith For more info about the International Society of Arboriculture, please visit http://www2.champaign.isa-arbor.com/. For consumer info about tree care, visit http://www2.champaign.isa-arbor.com/.../consumer.html |
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