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Old 06-08-2003, 07:22 PM
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Default Angel's Trumpet-short lived flower?

Anyone growing these (Brugmansia, formerly was datura
meterloides--spelled from memory)

I've got one growing (all white flower). I seeded it a bit late (May
20th) but it has grow quickly. It bloomed its first flower 3 days ago
but I only got to enjoy it for a day. The plant was wetted down from a
thunderstorm the night after the flower opened. The next day it was
drooping down, mashed closed. After that it started browning
throughout the petal tip and when I touched the 8" petal cone it
separated from the bud.

Is this normal?
Are the flowers that short lived or was this because of the rain?
Should I cut the petal-less flower base off to avoid a seed pod and
encourage more growth.

I haven't been fertilizing this much. It is growing in a pot of equal
thirds mix of composted manure, peat & perlite. I've got two more
flowers growing now on it and it looks like a bunch of branches are
starting in the V of each existing branch.

I am hoping to overwinter this plant indoors this year (it is Zone
9-10 I believe) and repot in a tub for next years growth.

some side info...

We are experiencing occasional torrential downpours (2 inches in an
hour). We have already reached August's average rainfall. This plant
is more sheltered since it is against the house wall facing SW and
under an overhang so it doesn't drown like many of the other plants
do.

This plant has also been attacked twice by bugs chewing the leaves
which is a shame cause they are supple and velvety to touch and very
attractive. One left yellow eggs everywhere and tiny yellow
inch-worms. Another were colorful Orange and black beetles. I think
they were stripped more than dotted. I have been cleaning them off by
hand.

DiGiTAL ViNYL (no email)
Zone 6b/7, Westchester Co, NY, 1 mile off L.I.Sound
1st Year Gardener
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Old 06-08-2003, 09:32 PM
Daniel
 
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Yes, The flowers pretty much bloom at night (late evening) and are fading
by mid morning. Good luck on over wintering them. I did grow one plant
indoors last summer, and it did have a great bloom on it but died shortly
afterwards. I really can't say if breaking off the spent flowers will
incourage more flowers -I never did notice a difference. I usually let the
plant form some seed pods and harvest them for the following summer - I
live in Michigan. Last of all, I have noticed small Datura plants growing
from the previous years seeds in various pots - like my Elephant ears :-).

Dan

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Anyone growing these (Brugmansia, formerly was datura
meterloides--spelled from memory)

I've got one growing (all white flower). I seeded it a bit late (May
20th) but it has grow quickly. It bloomed its first flower 3 days ago
but I only got to enjoy it for a day. The plant was wetted down from a
thunderstorm the night after the flower opened. The next day it was
drooping down, mashed closed. After that it started browning
throughout the petal tip and when I touched the 8" petal cone it
separated from the bud.

Is this normal?
Are the flowers that short lived or was this because of the rain?
Should I cut the petal-less flower base off to avoid a seed pod and
encourage more growth.

I haven't been fertilizing this much. It is growing in a pot of equal
thirds mix of composted manure, peat & perlite. I've got two more
flowers growing now on it and it looks like a bunch of branches are
starting in the V of each existing branch.

I am hoping to overwinter this plant indoors this year (it is Zone
9-10 I believe) and repot in a tub for next years growth.

some side info...

We are experiencing occasional torrential downpours (2 inches in an
hour). We have already reached August's average rainfall. This plant
is more sheltered since it is against the house wall facing SW and
under an overhang so it doesn't drown like many of the other plants
do.

This plant has also been attacked twice by bugs chewing the leaves
which is a shame cause they are supple and velvety to touch and very
attractive. One left yellow eggs everywhere and tiny yellow
inch-worms. Another were colorful Orange and black beetles. I think
they were stripped more than dotted. I have been cleaning them off by
hand.

DiGiTAL ViNYL (no email)
Zone 6b/7, Westchester Co, NY, 1 mile off L.I.Sound
1st Year Gardener



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Old 06-08-2003, 09:42 PM
animaux
 
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:10:59 GMT, DigitalVinyl wrote:

Anyone growing these (Brugmansia, formerly was datura
meterloides--spelled from memory)


I grow Brugmansia candida, suavolens, versicolor. There is no Brugmansia
meteloides, that would be Datura meteloides.

I've got one growing (all white flower). I seeded it a bit late (May
20th) but it has grow quickly. It bloomed its first flower 3 days ago
but I only got to enjoy it for a day. The plant was wetted down from a
thunderstorm the night after the flower opened. The next day it was
drooping down, mashed closed. After that it started browning
throughout the petal tip and when I touched the 8" petal cone it
separated from the bud.


Yes, flowers of D.meteloides only generally bloom one time in the evening, stay
open till morning when bees come in and pollinate and brown over. Removing the
stem in the axil where the seed pod will produce seed will help the plant to set
more buds.

Is this normal?


Yes.

Are the flowers that short lived or was this because of the rain?
Should I cut the petal-less flower base off to avoid a seed pod and
encourage more growth.


Yes, and yes.


I haven't been fertilizing this much. It is growing in a pot of equal
thirds mix of composted manure, peat & perlite. I've got two more
flowers growing now on it and it looks like a bunch of branches are
starting in the V of each existing branch.


Datura and Brugmansia are heavy feeders if you want them to bloom a lot. Datura
are not AS heavy a feeder as Brugmansia, but you can use Osmocote prills to give
the soil fertilizer each time you water. I only recommend synthetic fertilizers
in container plants. All my Brugmansia are in huge tubs. All datura are in the
ground. They do much better in the ground.


I am hoping to overwinter this plant indoors this year (it is Zone
9-10 I believe) and repot in a tub for next years growth.


Why?

some side info...

We are experiencing occasional torrential downpours (2 inches in an
hour). We have already reached August's average rainfall. This plant
is more sheltered since it is against the house wall facing SW and
under an overhang so it doesn't drown like many of the other plants
do.

This plant has also been attacked twice by bugs chewing the leaves
which is a shame cause they are supple and velvety to touch and very
attractive. One left yellow eggs everywhere and tiny yellow
inch-worms. Another were colorful Orange and black beetles. I think
they were stripped more than dotted. I have been cleaning them off by
hand.


Datura is in the solanacea (nightshade)) family. Tobacco horn worms, tomato
horn worms love this and like it or not, is a host plant for one of the largest
moths on the planet, the sphynx moth, or hawk moth. They are also pollinator
insects and very valuable to have. I let the plants be devoured and in a few
weeks time they are recovered with new foliage.

If you live in the south, you have no need to bring datura inside. They are
root hardy for me in Texas USDA Zone 8b. So are brugmansia root hardy. I like
my brugmansia to get tall, so in 30 gallon tubs, in the greenhouse they go
every winter. They do bloom all winter in the greenhouse and it smells like a
perfumery in there!

You may get a lot out of www.nativehabitat.com

There is a lot of information there.
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Old 07-08-2003, 12:22 AM
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I've never grown Brugmansias, but my Daturas only bloom for one night unless the
next day is cool and dark.


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Old 07-08-2003, 07:42 PM
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Jim Shaffer, Jr. wrote:
I've never grown Brugmansias, but my Daturas only bloom for one night unless the
next day is cool and dark.


A lot of our blooms last for 2 nights, but they aren't as pretty the
second night.

Janine



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animaux wrote:

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:10:59 GMT, DigitalVinyl wrote:

Anyone growing these (Brugmansia, formerly was datura
meterloides--spelled from memory)


I grow Brugmansia candida, suavolens, versicolor. There is no Brugmansia
meteloides, that would be Datura meteloides.

I've read that Datura was reclassified as Brugmansia but information
is confusing. It looks like Datura meteloides didn't get changed. My
seed packet said d.m. The Sunset book says D.meteloides have upward
facing flowers and Brugmansia hang downward. I don't know how true
that is... mine start straight up but when blossomed hang downward
facing.

Good to know that plant is surviving me.

Datura and Brugmansia are heavy feeders if you want them to bloom a lot. Datura
are not AS heavy a feeder as Brugmansia, but you can use Osmocote prills to give
the soil fertilizer each time you water. I only recommend synthetic fertilizers
in container plants. All my Brugmansia are in huge tubs. All datura are in the
ground. They do much better in the ground.

I am hoping to overwinter this plant indoors this year (it is Zone
9-10 I believe) and repot in a tub for next years growth.


Why?

Well they are hardy to Zone 9-10 and I'm a Zone 6b/7. I'd like to try
and grow this larger. I know most treat it as an annual except in a
few nurseries which sell them as 7 foot trees.


Datura is in the solanacea (nightshade)) family. Tobacco horn worms, tomato
horn worms love this and like it or not, is a host plant for one of the largest
moths on the planet, the sphynx moth, or hawk moth. They are also pollinator
insects and very valuable to have. I let the plants be devoured and in a few
weeks time they are recovered with new foliage.

If you live in the south, you have no need to bring datura inside. They are
root hardy for me in Texas USDA Zone 8b. So are brugmansia root hardy. I like
my brugmansia to get tall, so in 30 gallon tubs, in the greenhouse they go
every winter. They do bloom all winter in the greenhouse and it smells like a
perfumery in there!

You may get a lot out of www.nativehabitat.com

There is a lot of information there.

Thanks
DiGiTAL ViNYL (no email)
Zone 6b/7, Westchester Co, NY, 1 mile off L.I.Sound
1st Year Gardener
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:01:01 GMT, DigitalVinyl wrote:


I've read that Datura was reclassified as Brugmansia but information
is confusing. It looks like Datura meteloides didn't get changed. My
seed packet said d.m. The Sunset book says D.meteloides have upward
facing flowers and Brugmansia hang downward. I don't know how true
that is... mine start straight up but when blossomed hang downward
facing.


Datura was not reclassified. There is still Datura spp and what they did was
branch Brugmansia into its own taxonomy. I can give dates and specific
information, but all datura face upward, all brugmansia hand downward. There is
no confusion about that. I've been collecting and growing them for a decade.
There is one book on the market which was originally in German, now finally has
been translated to English. I ordered it months ago. I also bought the German
version about 8 years ago, or so. Even though it was in German, I used the
excellent photographs and line drawings to identify many plants in my posession.

I am hoping to overwinter this plant indoors this year (it is Zone
9-10 I believe) and repot in a tub for next years growth.


Why?


I wish people would put some space between post lines, but I always bring my
brugmansia indoors in winter. Now that I have a greenhouse for them, they stay
in there all winter. They are root hardy (sometimes) where I live in USDA Zone
8b.

v
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In article ,
wrote:

Anyone growing these (Brugmansia, formerly was datura
meterloides--spelled from memory)

I've got one growing (all white flower). I seeded it a bit late (May
20th) but it has grow quickly. It bloomed its first flower 3 days ago
but I only got to enjoy it for a day. The plant was wetted down from a
thunderstorm the night after the flower opened. The next day it was
drooping down, mashed closed. After that it started browning
throughout the petal tip and when I touched the 8" petal cone it
separated from the bud.

Is this normal?
Are the flowers that short lived or was this because of the rain?
Should I cut the petal-less flower base off to avoid a seed pod and
encourage more growth.

I haven't been fertilizing this much. It is growing in a pot of equal
thirds mix of composted manure, peat & perlite. I've got two more
flowers growing now on it and it looks like a bunch of branches are
starting in the V of each existing branch.

I am hoping to overwinter this plant indoors this year (it is Zone
9-10 I believe) and repot in a tub for next years growth.



....i've had angels trumpet plants for several summers....mine is a sort of
salmon pink with 8 - 10 inche trumpets that hang down and with a fragrance
that will knock your sox off at night...alas, the blooms only last a few
days but are still worth it for the impact....

.....i live in the pacific north west ( zone 6?) and grow my plants in
pots....they usually are about 4 - 5 feet tall by the end of the
summer....they are very very easy to grow from cuttings....and if i am
smart i will cut the plants back in the fall and root them then.....i move
the whole flock indoors once it gets cool at night ( october? ) and put
them in the coolest room in the house near a window....sometimes all the
leaves fall off, sometimes not...regardless, they winter fine and are one
of the least fussy plants i have ever grown....


....they like all the water and feed you can throw at them....i usually
just put in some time release pellets when i think of it...

murphy
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