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Angel's Trumpet-short lived flower?
Anyone growing these (Brugmansia, formerly was datura
meterloides--spelled from memory) I've got one growing (all white flower). I seeded it a bit late (May 20th) but it has grow quickly. It bloomed its first flower 3 days ago but I only got to enjoy it for a day. The plant was wetted down from a thunderstorm the night after the flower opened. The next day it was drooping down, mashed closed. After that it started browning throughout the petal tip and when I touched the 8" petal cone it separated from the bud. Is this normal? Are the flowers that short lived or was this because of the rain? Should I cut the petal-less flower base off to avoid a seed pod and encourage more growth. I haven't been fertilizing this much. It is growing in a pot of equal thirds mix of composted manure, peat & perlite. I've got two more flowers growing now on it and it looks like a bunch of branches are starting in the V of each existing branch. I am hoping to overwinter this plant indoors this year (it is Zone 9-10 I believe) and repot in a tub for next years growth. some side info... We are experiencing occasional torrential downpours (2 inches in an hour). We have already reached August's average rainfall. This plant is more sheltered since it is against the house wall facing SW and under an overhang so it doesn't drown like many of the other plants do. This plant has also been attacked twice by bugs chewing the leaves which is a shame cause they are supple and velvety to touch and very attractive. One left yellow eggs everywhere and tiny yellow inch-worms. Another were colorful Orange and black beetles. I think they were stripped more than dotted. I have been cleaning them off by hand. DiGiTAL ViNYL (no email) Zone 6b/7, Westchester Co, NY, 1 mile off L.I.Sound 1st Year Gardener |
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Angel's Trumpet-short lived flower?
Yes, The flowers pretty much bloom at night (late evening) and are fading
by mid morning. Good luck on over wintering them. I did grow one plant indoors last summer, and it did have a great bloom on it but died shortly afterwards. I really can't say if breaking off the spent flowers will incourage more flowers -I never did notice a difference. I usually let the plant form some seed pods and harvest them for the following summer - I live in Michigan. Last of all, I have noticed small Datura plants growing from the previous years seeds in various pots - like my Elephant ears :-). Dan "DigitalVinyl" wrote in message ... Anyone growing these (Brugmansia, formerly was datura meterloides--spelled from memory) I've got one growing (all white flower). I seeded it a bit late (May 20th) but it has grow quickly. It bloomed its first flower 3 days ago but I only got to enjoy it for a day. The plant was wetted down from a thunderstorm the night after the flower opened. The next day it was drooping down, mashed closed. After that it started browning throughout the petal tip and when I touched the 8" petal cone it separated from the bud. Is this normal? Are the flowers that short lived or was this because of the rain? Should I cut the petal-less flower base off to avoid a seed pod and encourage more growth. I haven't been fertilizing this much. It is growing in a pot of equal thirds mix of composted manure, peat & perlite. I've got two more flowers growing now on it and it looks like a bunch of branches are starting in the V of each existing branch. I am hoping to overwinter this plant indoors this year (it is Zone 9-10 I believe) and repot in a tub for next years growth. some side info... We are experiencing occasional torrential downpours (2 inches in an hour). We have already reached August's average rainfall. This plant is more sheltered since it is against the house wall facing SW and under an overhang so it doesn't drown like many of the other plants do. This plant has also been attacked twice by bugs chewing the leaves which is a shame cause they are supple and velvety to touch and very attractive. One left yellow eggs everywhere and tiny yellow inch-worms. Another were colorful Orange and black beetles. I think they were stripped more than dotted. I have been cleaning them off by hand. DiGiTAL ViNYL (no email) Zone 6b/7, Westchester Co, NY, 1 mile off L.I.Sound 1st Year Gardener |
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Angel's Trumpet-short lived flower?
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:10:59 GMT, DigitalVinyl wrote:
Anyone growing these (Brugmansia, formerly was datura meterloides--spelled from memory) I grow Brugmansia candida, suavolens, versicolor. There is no Brugmansia meteloides, that would be Datura meteloides. I've got one growing (all white flower). I seeded it a bit late (May 20th) but it has grow quickly. It bloomed its first flower 3 days ago but I only got to enjoy it for a day. The plant was wetted down from a thunderstorm the night after the flower opened. The next day it was drooping down, mashed closed. After that it started browning throughout the petal tip and when I touched the 8" petal cone it separated from the bud. Yes, flowers of D.meteloides only generally bloom one time in the evening, stay open till morning when bees come in and pollinate and brown over. Removing the stem in the axil where the seed pod will produce seed will help the plant to set more buds. Is this normal? Yes. Are the flowers that short lived or was this because of the rain? Should I cut the petal-less flower base off to avoid a seed pod and encourage more growth. Yes, and yes. I haven't been fertilizing this much. It is growing in a pot of equal thirds mix of composted manure, peat & perlite. I've got two more flowers growing now on it and it looks like a bunch of branches are starting in the V of each existing branch. Datura and Brugmansia are heavy feeders if you want them to bloom a lot. Datura are not AS heavy a feeder as Brugmansia, but you can use Osmocote prills to give the soil fertilizer each time you water. I only recommend synthetic fertilizers in container plants. All my Brugmansia are in huge tubs. All datura are in the ground. They do much better in the ground. I am hoping to overwinter this plant indoors this year (it is Zone 9-10 I believe) and repot in a tub for next years growth. Why? some side info... We are experiencing occasional torrential downpours (2 inches in an hour). We have already reached August's average rainfall. This plant is more sheltered since it is against the house wall facing SW and under an overhang so it doesn't drown like many of the other plants do. This plant has also been attacked twice by bugs chewing the leaves which is a shame cause they are supple and velvety to touch and very attractive. One left yellow eggs everywhere and tiny yellow inch-worms. Another were colorful Orange and black beetles. I think they were stripped more than dotted. I have been cleaning them off by hand. Datura is in the solanacea (nightshade)) family. Tobacco horn worms, tomato horn worms love this and like it or not, is a host plant for one of the largest moths on the planet, the sphynx moth, or hawk moth. They are also pollinator insects and very valuable to have. I let the plants be devoured and in a few weeks time they are recovered with new foliage. If you live in the south, you have no need to bring datura inside. They are root hardy for me in Texas USDA Zone 8b. So are brugmansia root hardy. I like my brugmansia to get tall, so in 30 gallon tubs, in the greenhouse they go every winter. They do bloom all winter in the greenhouse and it smells like a perfumery in there! You may get a lot out of www.nativehabitat.com There is a lot of information there. |
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Angel's Trumpet-short lived flower?
I've never grown Brugmansias, but my Daturas only bloom for one night unless the
next day is cool and dark. |
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Angel's Trumpet-short lived flower?
Jim Shaffer, Jr. wrote:
I've never grown Brugmansias, but my Daturas only bloom for one night unless the next day is cool and dark. A lot of our blooms last for 2 nights, but they aren't as pretty the second night. Janine |
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Angel's Trumpet-short lived flower?
animaux wrote:
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:10:59 GMT, DigitalVinyl wrote: Anyone growing these (Brugmansia, formerly was datura meterloides--spelled from memory) I grow Brugmansia candida, suavolens, versicolor. There is no Brugmansia meteloides, that would be Datura meteloides. I've read that Datura was reclassified as Brugmansia but information is confusing. It looks like Datura meteloides didn't get changed. My seed packet said d.m. The Sunset book says D.meteloides have upward facing flowers and Brugmansia hang downward. I don't know how true that is... mine start straight up but when blossomed hang downward facing. Good to know that plant is surviving me. Datura and Brugmansia are heavy feeders if you want them to bloom a lot. Datura are not AS heavy a feeder as Brugmansia, but you can use Osmocote prills to give the soil fertilizer each time you water. I only recommend synthetic fertilizers in container plants. All my Brugmansia are in huge tubs. All datura are in the ground. They do much better in the ground. I am hoping to overwinter this plant indoors this year (it is Zone 9-10 I believe) and repot in a tub for next years growth. Why? Well they are hardy to Zone 9-10 and I'm a Zone 6b/7. I'd like to try and grow this larger. I know most treat it as an annual except in a few nurseries which sell them as 7 foot trees. Datura is in the solanacea (nightshade)) family. Tobacco horn worms, tomato horn worms love this and like it or not, is a host plant for one of the largest moths on the planet, the sphynx moth, or hawk moth. They are also pollinator insects and very valuable to have. I let the plants be devoured and in a few weeks time they are recovered with new foliage. If you live in the south, you have no need to bring datura inside. They are root hardy for me in Texas USDA Zone 8b. So are brugmansia root hardy. I like my brugmansia to get tall, so in 30 gallon tubs, in the greenhouse they go every winter. They do bloom all winter in the greenhouse and it smells like a perfumery in there! You may get a lot out of www.nativehabitat.com There is a lot of information there. Thanks DiGiTAL ViNYL (no email) Zone 6b/7, Westchester Co, NY, 1 mile off L.I.Sound 1st Year Gardener |
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Angel's Trumpet-short lived flower?
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:01:01 GMT, DigitalVinyl wrote:
I've read that Datura was reclassified as Brugmansia but information is confusing. It looks like Datura meteloides didn't get changed. My seed packet said d.m. The Sunset book says D.meteloides have upward facing flowers and Brugmansia hang downward. I don't know how true that is... mine start straight up but when blossomed hang downward facing. Datura was not reclassified. There is still Datura spp and what they did was branch Brugmansia into its own taxonomy. I can give dates and specific information, but all datura face upward, all brugmansia hand downward. There is no confusion about that. I've been collecting and growing them for a decade. There is one book on the market which was originally in German, now finally has been translated to English. I ordered it months ago. I also bought the German version about 8 years ago, or so. Even though it was in German, I used the excellent photographs and line drawings to identify many plants in my posession. I am hoping to overwinter this plant indoors this year (it is Zone 9-10 I believe) and repot in a tub for next years growth. Why? I wish people would put some space between post lines, but I always bring my brugmansia indoors in winter. Now that I have a greenhouse for them, they stay in there all winter. They are root hardy (sometimes) where I live in USDA Zone 8b. v |
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