Why can't you use a preemergent killer meant for lawns in a flower bed? My
local garden shop says no with no explanation.
Carolyn

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:27:11 -0400, "Carolyn LeCrone"
wrote:

Why can't you use a preemergent killer meant for lawns in a flower bed? My
local garden shop says no with no explanation.
Carolyn



Go ahead and use it. But plant grass in the beds next year....



"Acts of creation are ordinarily reserved for gods and poets,
but humbler folk may circumvent this restriction if they know how.
To plant a pine, for example, one need be neither god nor poet;
one need only own a good shovel. By virtue of this curious loophole in the rules,
any clodhopper may say: Let there be a tree--and there will be one"

Aldo Leopold

You can use products containing triflouralin (Treflan) with no problems.
Just be sure to use bedding plants instead of seeds.

Carolyn LeCrone wrote:
Why can't you use a preemergent killer meant for lawns in a flower bed? My
local garden shop says no with no explanation.
Carolyn

Carolyn LeCrone wrote:

Why can't you use a preemergent killer meant for lawns in a flower bed? My
local garden shop says no with no explanation.
Carolyn


Pre-emergents for lawns work by keeping seeds from weeds from rooting.
They start before grass does. If you use them on flowers, you will also
keep the flower seeds from rooting.

Janine

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:41:03 -0400, Joe Bagodonuts
wrote:

triflouralin (Treflan) with no problems.

uh huh no problems?

Top Ten Endocrine-
Disrupting Pesticides Used in
California in 1995
(in thousands of pounds of active ingredient)
Chlorpyrifos 3,524
Ziram 1,640
Trifluralin 1,434
Maneb 1,309
Carbaryl 856
Simazine 843
Methomyl 830
Malathion 827
Mancozeb 679
Dicofol 598

¥ Endocrine disruption refers to the hormone-altering effects of
certain chemical
substances on animal endocrine systems that impair reproduction or
develop-
ment. Endocrine-disrupting chemicals alter the messages sent through
hormones,
an effect that can cause permanent functional changes to a developing
animal,
impair reproduction, and can increase susceptibility to cancer in
adult animals.
Many commonly used pesticides are suspected endocrine disruptors (see
Appen-
dix 1). The rapid decline in bird populations in the 1960s and 1970s
caused by
organochlorine pesticides such as DDT was due to endocrine-disrupting
effects.
Certain pesticides have been shown to mimic or block the action of
estrogen, the
primary female hormone. Exposure of developing animals to these
chemicals, in
utero or in eggs, has been associated with feminization or
demasculinization of
male offspring or masculinization of female offspring. For example,
alligator
eggs from Lake Apopka in Florida produced nearly all female offspring
due to
exposure to high concentrations of the pesticide dicofol.9 Some
pesticides block
the action of androgens (male hormones) as well. In humans, increases
in repro-
ductive abnormalities of newborn children and lowered sperm counts in
men
have been linked to exposures to endocrine-disrupting chemicals.
High-use endo-
crine-disrupting pesticides in California are shown in the sidebar.

"Acts of creation are ordinarily reserved for gods and poets,
but humbler folk may circumvent this restriction if they know how.
To plant a pine, for example, one need be neither god nor poet;
one need only own a good shovel. By virtue of this curious loophole in the rules,
any clodhopper may say: Let there be a tree--and there will be one"

Aldo Leopold

It's a proven fact that corn gluten meal is an effective, productive weed and
feed product. It prevents weed seeds from fully germinating and carries a
ration of 10% nitrogen. Zero side effects.


On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 22:58:46 -0700, Tom Jaszewski
opined:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:41:03 -0400, Joe Bagodonuts
wrote:

triflouralin (Treflan) with no problems.

uh huh no problems?

Top Ten Endocrine-
Disrupting Pesticides Used in
California in 1995
(in thousands of pounds of active ingredient)
Chlorpyrifos 3,524
Ziram 1,640
Trifluralin 1,434
Maneb 1,309
Carbaryl 856
Simazine 843
Methomyl 830
Malathion 827
Mancozeb 679
Dicofol 598

¥ Endocrine disruption refers to the hormone-altering effects of
certain chemical
substances on animal endocrine systems that impair reproduction or
develop-
ment. Endocrine-disrupting chemicals alter the messages sent through
hormones,
an effect that can cause permanent functional changes to a developing
animal,
impair reproduction, and can increase susceptibility to cancer in
adult animals.
Many commonly used pesticides are suspected endocrine disruptors (see
Appen-
dix 1). The rapid decline in bird populations in the 1960s and 1970s
caused by
organochlorine pesticides such as DDT was due to endocrine-disrupting
effects.
Certain pesticides have been shown to mimic or block the action of
estrogen, the
primary female hormone. Exposure of developing animals to these
chemicals, in
utero or in eggs, has been associated with feminization or
demasculinization of
male offspring or masculinization of female offspring. For example,
alligator
eggs from Lake Apopka in Florida produced nearly all female offspring
due to
exposure to high concentrations of the pesticide dicofol.9 Some
pesticides block
the action of androgens (male hormones) as well. In humans, increases
in repro-
ductive abnormalities of newborn children and lowered sperm counts in
men
have been linked to exposures to endocrine-disrupting chemicals.
High-use endo-
crine-disrupting pesticides in California are shown in the sidebar.

"Acts of creation are ordinarily reserved for gods and poets,
but humbler folk may circumvent this restriction if they know how.
To plant a pine, for example, one need be neither god nor poet;
one need only own a good shovel. By virtue of this curious loophole in the rules,
any clodhopper may say: Let there be a tree--and there will be one"

Aldo Leopold

I'm terribly sorry. As a newbie here, I assumed this group dealt with
gardening. Obviously I have it confused with alt.political.correctness.

I won't trouble you again.



Tom Jaszewski wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:41:03 -0400, Joe Bagodonuts
wrote:


triflouralin (Treflan) with no problems.


uh huh no problems?

Top Ten Endocrine-
Disrupting Pesticides Used in
California in 1995
(in thousands of pounds of active ingredient)
Chlorpyrifos 3,524
Ziram 1,640
Trifluralin 1,434
Maneb 1,309
Carbaryl 856
Simazine 843
Methomyl 830
Malathion 827
Mancozeb 679
Dicofol 598

¥ Endocrine disruption refers to the hormone-altering effects of
certain chemical
substances on animal endocrine systems that impair reproduction or
develop-
ment. Endocrine-disrupting chemicals alter the messages sent through
hormones,
an effect that can cause permanent functional changes to a developing
animal,
impair reproduction, and can increase susceptibility to cancer in
adult animals.
Many commonly used pesticides are suspected endocrine disruptors (see
Appen-
dix 1). The rapid decline in bird populations in the 1960s and 1970s
caused by
organochlorine pesticides such as DDT was due to endocrine-disrupting
effects.
Certain pesticides have been shown to mimic or block the action of
estrogen, the
primary female hormone. Exposure of developing animals to these
chemicals, in
utero or in eggs, has been associated with feminization or
demasculinization of
male offspring or masculinization of female offspring. For example,
alligator
eggs from Lake Apopka in Florida produced nearly all female offspring
due to
exposure to high concentrations of the pesticide dicofol.9 Some
pesticides block
the action of androgens (male hormones) as well. In humans, increases
in repro-
ductive abnormalities of newborn children and lowered sperm counts in
men
have been linked to exposures to endocrine-disrupting chemicals.
High-use endo-
crine-disrupting pesticides in California are shown in the sidebar.

"Acts of creation are ordinarily reserved for gods and poets,
but humbler folk may circumvent this restriction if they know how.
To plant a pine, for example, one need be neither god nor poet;
one need only own a good shovel. By virtue of this curious loophole in the rules,
any clodhopper may say: Let there be a tree--and there will be one"

Aldo Leopold

"Joe Bagodonuts" wrote in message
...
I'm terribly sorry. As a newbie here, I assumed this group dealt with
gardening. Obviously I have it confused with alt.political.correctness.

I won't trouble you again.

Smart choice, Joe. There are a number in this ng who are unable to answer a
controversial topic question without going into a tirade, an excellent
reason for never returning.

The unfortunate consequence about the above observations is that many of
these tyrants are extremely knowledgeable and give excellent advice on many
items that don't inflame their mental hemorrhoids. It's the unfortunate
consequence of a ng. My advice to you is that you remain a lurker or stay
away from controversial questions. Ask those questions at your local
agricultural extension service. They're paid to be nice. G

John

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:03:14 -0500, "B & J"
bjskeff@removecox-internetcom wrote:

Ask those questions at your local
agricultural extension service. They're paid to be nice. G


funding by Dow and Monsanto....




"Acts of creation are ordinarily reserved for gods and poets,
but humbler folk may circumvent this restriction if they know how.
To plant a pine, for example, one need be neither god nor poet;
one need only own a good shovel. By virtue of this curious loophole in the rules,
any clodhopper may say: Let there be a tree--and there will be one"

Aldo Leopold

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:03:14 -0500, "B & J" bjskeff@removecox-internetcom
opined:

"Joe Bagodonuts" wrote in message
...
I'm terribly sorry. As a newbie here, I assumed this group dealt with
gardening. Obviously I have it confused with alt.political.correctness.

I won't trouble you again.

Smart choice, Joe. There are a number in this ng who are unable to answer a
controversial topic question without going into a tirade, an excellent
reason for never returning.

The unfortunate consequence about the above observations is that many of
these tyrants are extremely knowledgeable and give excellent advice on many
items that don't inflame their mental hemorrhoids. It's the unfortunate
consequence of a ng. My advice to you is that you remain a lurker or stay
away from controversial questions. Ask those questions at your local
agricultural extension service. They're paid to be nice. G

John


Where people will receive out of date information, information on how to use
synthetic pesticides, spray programs as preventative practices and resistant old
fashioned ag agents who never bother to read the new information so we get a lot
of old information and some people actually believe it.

I say, ask any question here. If you get pounced on for no reason, ignore it
and continue. Otherwise, there is a HUGE world out there on the www and just
about anything you could think of, or question can be found with a simple search
on www.google.com And I mean any answer to any question. Sometimes those
answers are incorrect, as well, but certainly not any more or less incorrect
than if you ask people in a newsgroup before doing homework.

As for people being paid to be nice? No thanks.

Finnally ,a reasonable answer !
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Carolyn LeCrone wrote:

Why can't you use a preemergent killer meant for lawns in a flower bed?
My
local garden shop says no with no explanation.
Carolyn


Pre-emergents for lawns work by keeping seeds from weeds from rooting.
They start before grass does. If you use them on flowers, you will also
keep the flower seeds from rooting.

Janine