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Old 09-11-2003, 06:02 PM
The Puppy Wizard
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HOWEDY liea,

"Julia Altshuler" wrote in message
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You've had this little guy for a week?


How old is he? Under 12 weeks, I bet.

That's irrelevent, liea.

The only advice you need is to relax.

You're a imbecile.

You have a puppy.

Your puppy started turnin on you soon as
you started jerking and choking IT.

Your puppy is acting like one.

Your puppy attacked your only friend and
has assaulted a couple children and attacked
a neighbor's dog.

Nothing you do is going to work in a week.

That's a lie, liea. The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual works nearly
INSTANTLY for ALL behaviors and ALL mammals.

Sure you're going to make mistakes,

You shock and jerk and choke your dog on a
pronged spiked pinch choke collar and have
caused her to have OCD behavior problems.

but dogs are pretty resiliant

That's HOWE COME they get The Puppy Wizard's
SYNDROME... like your dog Cubbe got.

and will forgive most of them.

The dog is a goddamned animal. They don't
know from FORGIVENESS of you for choking
shocking and otherWIZE abusing them.

I'm sure I did everything wrong with my first pup,

That was a other dog long before Cubbe. You HURT
your dog Cubbe and made her AGGRESSIVE and
FEARFUL and she'll do anything to ESCAPE you.

and I still ended up with a great dog.

Your dogs have been sickly and fear ridden.

Puppies mouth and chew.

Not if you train them not to.

Keep doing what you're doing

What he's been doin ain't worked for
him or anyWON else here abHOWETS.

HAS IT, liea.

to redirect him to acceptable chewing

That won't break the initial chewin, and may
reinforce it.

and to keep valuable stuff out of his way.


We've had a few DEAD DOGS and lots of
abdominal surgeries here abHOWETS cause
you and your pals HIDE the weenie instead
of trainin the dog not to take ANYTHING
withHOWET permission, as taught in your
FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual. You know, the WON you and your
pals call dangerHOWES and ineffective
and plagiarized from all the best writers
in the Whole Wild World, just like the OP
has been following, liea.

The jig is up, liea. You and your lying dog
abusing Punk Thug Coward MENTALLY
ILL pals can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE.

You'll still have a story to tell about something
your pup destroyed.

That so, liea? That's your experience, NOT that
of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End
Method trained dogs.

Once the teething stage is over, the chewing will
greatly decrease.

That's malarkey. Destructive chewing and
mHOWETHING anxiety and bonding behaviors.

There are dogs who continue chewing into
adulthood, but most grow out of it.


(In my experience,

Your experience is that of a liar and dog abuser, liea:

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

Cubbe doesn't enjoy chewing even when given
something tasty.

Cause she's been punished for chewin.

Sheppe used to enjoy a chew toy now and then.)


Right now while he's still untrained, keep him
away from children.

Right. Puppys don't belong with children.

You really don't want him breaking the skin.

Right, like your dog Cubbe did to your only
friend a couple months ago, cause YOU

But do walk him around the neighborhood
where he can see children.

Right. That'll increase his desire to meet an greet them.

The yelp and ignore trick should work too,

INDEED? It hasn't worked for most of HOWER
dog lovers. Talk to lt joel walton if you like, he'll
tell you not to use his method noMOORE on
accHOWENT of The Puppy Wizard told him
he'd have to be MENTALLY ILL to promote
that malarkey here abHOWETS noMOORE.

but again, mostly it is a matter of waiting for
him to grow up a little.

You mean, you don't know HOWE to train
the dog not to mHOWETH and chew?

I'll let others give advice on crate training.

Others, liea? You mean like the mentall ill?

It really depends on how upset he gets when
you leave him in the crate.

That so?

It is possible that the noise, pawing and pacing
would die down if you left him long enough for
him to see that it doesn't work to bring you back
right away.

Right. That's HOWE COME matty's dog Rocky
got SEIZURES, liea.

He'd settle and be happily asleep.

No, he'll come dHOWEN with hyperactivity
and physcial DIS-EASE known as The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME, liea.

On the other hand, it might get worse.


You're mentally derranged, liea. You must
have quite a case history of abuse.

I can't figure if your pup is showing signs of
separation anxiety

Separation anxiety is CAUSED by MISHANDLING.

or normal puppy doesn't want to be alone.

Puppys instinctively wait patiently for mom to return
with a nice hot meal.


You're full of crap, you lying dog abusing coward.

(This message will invariably be followed by a
viscious one from our resident usenet lunatic.


Please ignore it as the rest of us have him in our killfiles.)

You're OBSESSED with The Puppy Wizard
cause he's EXXXPOSED you as a dog abuser
a liar and a mental case, liea.

HOWEDY liea,

"Julia Altshuler" wrote in message
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Obedience training.

You mean jerking and choking the dog on a pronged
spiked pinch choke collar? Ain't that what made your
dog Cubbe TURN on you when you first got her?

Ain't it?

Of CURSE it is.

You're probably right about the reasons for the dog's
misbehavior towards you, but even if you're wrong,
the answer is the same.

That so?

Take the dog to an obedience class

Like HOWE you did to make your dog TURN on you, liea?

so you and the dog can learn together a new
way to relate.

Like HOWE you did?

There are lots of classes and philosophies and trainers.

That so? You HURT your dog, liea.

Do some reading at the library,

Got any SUGGESTIONS, liea?

and choose one you feel comfortable with.

You feel comfortable HURTIN your dog, liea.

That should be a method that involves an
emphasis on positive reinforcement.

Like HOWE you do your dog Cubbe, liea?

You should learn to teach the dog HEEL, SIT,
DOWN, COME, STAY and a few other commands.

That so? It ain't even her own dog. She got no
use for trainin him. All she wants to do is make
the dog not try to attack her.

Start with the classes and practicing at home when
your mother and stepfather aren't at home.

Your dog TURNED on you for chokin her, liea.

Some of the practice will involve teaching
commands when you and the dog are outside.

That so, liea?

Then practice when they're home but in another room.

That'll take some doin, the dog wants to attack her, liea.

Move to practice when they're in the room
with you but ignoring everything that's going on.

The dog wants to attack her, liea.

She don't wanna take IT to class, she wants to
show him she ain't gonna HURT HIM like you do
your dog Cubbe, liea.

This is a fair committment on your part since you'll
be practicing with the dog several times a day in short

No, she's afraid the dog will attack her, liea.

It will be worth it.

The dog wants to attack her, liea. Like HOWE
your dog Cubbe attacked your only friend... and
that other dog, and tried to attack them kids, cause
YOU HURT HER and LIE abHOWET it, liea.


(This post will invariably be followed by a viscious one

You mean, a history of you ABUSING your dog Cubbe?

from our resident usenet lunatic.

Your own dog Cubbe gets shocked and jerked
and choked on a pronged spiked pinch choke
collar and attacks people and critters and runs
HOWET on you every chance she gets, liea.


Please ignore it.

Right. Pretty EMBARRASSING stuff, eh liea?

The rest of us have him killfiled.

You mean, the liars, dog abusers, and MENTAL
CASES you play with here abHOWETS, liea?

I wouldn't know he was there if not for new posters' answers.)


Here's your dog Cubbe getttin HURT and HURTIN others:

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

"Julia Altshuler" wrote in message
news:[email protected]_s51...

After talking with the vet yesterday and watching Cubbe
all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking is behavioral,
not physical. Naturally I'll continue keeping an eye on her,
but when I add everything up, I don't see symptoms of
anything neurological-- and the vet agrees.


Gwen Watson wrote:

Lia have you taken Cubbe to a Neuro Vet specialist?
There aren't many of them. TAMU recently closed
down their Neuro facilities. I was going to take Blade
for some testing for the fibrotic myopathy that he has
been diagnosed with. But then the only Vet that
is still doing any Neuro is in Dallas. And really most
of the time fibrotic myopathy is found not to be neuro.

Here's Cubbe ATTACKING a neighbor's dog just
last week, and previHOWEsly attacking liea's only
friend and assaulting a couple kids and escaping

From: Julia Altshuler )
Subject: Cubbe report: Chief
Date: 2003-09-12 21:04:11 PST

Chief if my neighbor Jo's 40# 1 1/2 year old Sheltie.
Jim has been running into them on his morning walks
with Cubbe. For a week he's been feeding me glowing
reports about how Cubbe is terrific with Chief.

Cubbe has never been particularly wonderful with any
other dog, so terrible in fact that I'd despaired at ever
seeing Cubbe frolic and play with other dogs.

I'd resigned myself to the idea that Cubbe is happy
with her people, her yard, her squirrels, her spot on
the couch, and that makes a pretty good life, one
that doesn't involve the companionship of her own
species. Jim's reports were encouraging.

Jim convinced Jo to bring Chief over for a playdate.
We put Cubbe on a leash so she could meet Chief
again on neutral territory. They sniffed as dogs
normally do.

Chief and Cubbe entered the front door. To my
amazement, all was fine. Out in the backyard
and off leash, Cubbe didn't pay much attention
to Chief, but there was no trouble even though
she and Chief were close to each other.

Both dogs seemed more interested that their
people were handing out treats (for good behaviors
like SITs).

Jim went into the house for some balls thinking the 2
dogs would like to chase them together. He did not
consult me about this hare brained scheme.

Jo and I were 5 feet away from the dogs when Cubbe
decided to attack Chief. She's not an experienced fighter
so I don't know if attack is the right word. She was snarfing,
making growly noises, jumping on Chief, had her mouth on
Chief's neck (on his back, behind his ears) and basically not
looking friendly, but I think if she'd wanted to do real damage,
she would have, and Chief was fine, nary a hair out of place.

Naturally with us all right there, we were able to intervene in

A second later, it was all over. Cubbe looked like she'd
like to be friends again, but Chief, while not running away
or anything was obviously spooked and keeping his distance. Jo
and Chief went home. (I went with them for chat and
apologies, but that's not part of the Cubbe story.)

Cubbe has never food or toy guarded with people. Might
she have been guarding the balls Jim brought out? Or
was it the fact that we let our guard down for a few seconds
and she got scared of Chief when we all weren't practically
on top of her? Or did we push her too far by leaving her and
Chief together for too many minutes when a few seconds
would have been better for a first try? Or other theories?

Do we continue trying to find a dog that will put up with
Cubbe? Or do we give up again and go back to letting
Cubbe live a dogless existence?



"It Was Horrible! I Let Cubbe Out In The Backyard With
Her Usual ZAP Collar - The 10 Year Old Child Went To
Give Cubbe A Hug She Gave A Snarl-Snap Cubbe Got
Out In The Neighborhood Leashless From:

Julia F N Altshuler )
Subject: 1 step forward, 2 steps back
Date: 2001-01-07 19:28:05 PST

Cubbe got out in the neighborhood leashless for the first time
in roughly 2 years. The first few times were when we first got
her before she'd had any training and before we got the
electric fence to reinforce the physical one.

It was horrible. She paid us no attention, ignored clickers
and treats and calls. Make that, it was horrible for us. She
had a blast running free and chasing whatever she wanted. For
us it was 45 minutes of sheer terror as we tried to catch her.
Luckily there wasn't too much traffic yesterday morning. It
had snowed, and the streets weren't quite clear yet. Jim
finally caught her when she was preoccupied with her head down a

For 2 years I've been giving her a daily long walk in the
neighborhood. She now walks pretty nicely on a leash. She gets
daily indoor clicker training sessions. She has perfect
recalls in the house. She gets intermittent treats for those
recalls. She gets plenty of time to run free in the backyard.
Her recalls are less reliable there, but I've been working on
them. I haven't been as good about introducing the variable
reinforcement there, but I have been good about making sure
that she's never tricked into coming into the house when she'd
rather be outside. I always call her, give her a treat or
praise and let her go again.

So I haven't been a perfect dog trainer, but I don't think I'm
a terrible one. I say that because I'm about to ask y'all for
some help in correcting my mistakes, and while I don't mind
criticism for past mistakes, I am hoping you'll concentrate on
what I should do now.

Yesterday morning Cubbe had had some nice backyard time. I'd
gotten her into the house and was preparing to leave when she
escaped straight through the front door and right in front of
our noses. She was still wearing the zap collar, but the
battery was low. She gave a small yip when she went over the
wire, and the chase ensued.

We were careful not to scold her once she was caught.

Today I let her out in the backyard with her usual zap collar
now with a fresh battery. She was waiting by the backdoor to
come in when I went to call her. From her excited behavior, I
could tell that she fully expected to be let out the front
door again so she could have another fun romp in the
neighborhood. I'm so filled with anxiety from yesterday's
escapade that I keep checking for her every time I open the

Later in the afternoon, she was much worse
about coming when called even from the backyard.

My specific questions:

How do I teach recalls when she so clearly knows
when she's in a confined space and when she isn't?

She normally only wears the zap collar when she's in the
backyard because the wire goes around the house and could zap her
when she's near certain windows inside. If I let her get
zapped at the front door with the zap collar, can I still take
the zap collar off and walk her out the front door with her
leash on? I don't want her to become afraid of the front door.

What's the best emergency procedure if, god forbid, it should
happen again?

Might Cubbe be ready for harsher training techniques? By this
I mean, I've been using clicker and treats for Cubbe because
she so obviously freaked when we used leash corrections and
scoldings when we first got her.

I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some

Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
beginning, but we've come a long way since then. She trusts
us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been
rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in
the mildest way, for not coming.

Is it time for that?

What might I look for to tell?

Last night we had friends over for dinner with their 3
daughters ages 14, 10 and 7. The girls loved Cubbe and were
having a blast clicker training her. I was impressed with how
quickly they caught on and how little correction they needed
to be consistent with the clicks and treats. Cubbe was fine
with the children; she always has been. Just as they were
getting ready to go, the 10 year old went to give Cubbe a hug.
Cubbe must have felt threatened and confined because she gave a

I was right there, and without thinking I quickly yelled,
turned Cubbe over on her back, got in the face and let her
know that no snarling is allowed. The girl wasn't frightened
at all, and her parents who were also right there hadn't
realized what had happened. I then asked the snarlee to rub
Cubbe's belly further to reinforce that Cubbe is the
submissive one in that relationship. I let Cubbe up and all
was fine.

I suppose that's another issue, but I bring it up as part of
wondering if Cubbe should be trained with punishments now.
Like I said, I did that without thinking, and now I think it
was the right thing to do. So how do I apply this to dealing
with Cubbe the escapee?



"Julia Altshuler" wrote in message

I need help deciding if I have a real problem with Cubbe
that needs immediate attention or if I'm imagining trouble
where there is none.

Here's what happened last April the way I described it to
a friend at the time:

I'm worried about Cubbe. Or rather, I'm kicking myself for
doing something stupid. Ellie has been over many times and
has always gotten along great with Cubbe. Cubbe is always
at the door when I let Ellie in.

She's barky-protective but then stops barking once Ellie is
inside. She's never shown any real aggression. The other
night Ellie and I went out together to run an errand.

Ellie was coming in the house with packages so I came in
first and put Cubbe in the bedroom with Jim so Ellie could
get through the door more easily. I could hear Cubbe
barking. Once Ellie was inside, I opened the bedroom door
for Cubbe. She ran out to attack the intruder. Ellie was
trying to be friendly.

Ellie put a tooth in Ellie's finger. Granted the resulting
scratch was no worse than the way my cuticles bleed when
they get dry and I don't rub lotion into them every night,
but Ellie was understandably scared.

Jim ran out and got control of Cubbe right away. I got
Ellie some alcohol and a bandage. The scary thing is that,
even though the damage is minor, it does qualify as a bite
since Cubbe did mean to do it. I guess I should just learn
from it and never let Cubbe greet someone like that again,
but I'm horribly torn up.

I've said that I would never keep an aggressive dog. Now
the whole issue is so complicated. Cubbe is great even
with kids when we meet them in the neighborhood.

Since then I've been careful not to do anything like that.

Then Halloween night Cubbe spent most of the night in the
computer room with Jim while I answered the door. She did
bark each time she heard the doorbell ring. We did nothing
to discourage that. We want her to be barky protective so
it made sense for her to bark when she heard people in the
neighborhood, especially at night. Later in the evening,
Jim put Cubbe on a leash and was hanging out with her in the
front hall while I still got the door. One of the first
people to come to the door once she was out of the computer
room was our neighbor Nicky.

I think Nicky is 11 now. He's known Cubbe since we got her
4 years ago, has always liked her, petted her and asked to
come on walks. Nick lifted his mask on the porch so I'd
know who it was. Then I invited him into the hall to pet

Cubbe snarled and sort of air snapped at him. Of course
Jim was right there so no damage was done. Nick didn't
even have to draw his hand away, and he didn't get scared.
Nothing scares that boy.

I don't like this. Twice now Cubbe has been overly
protective-aggressive when people have entered the house.
Both times they've been people she knows and should like.
She's wonderfully nice to people on walks. We don't have
guests over too often so I can't comment if it's a growing
thing or not.

Comments please. Is this a major growing aggression

I'd guess it's territoriality about the house and yard.
What do I do about it?

I usually put Cubbe on a leash when friends come over
and then walk her outside while the friend gets out of
her car, and then we walk in together.

She'll still bark when they're in the house and then
calm down. Is that a good idea? Should I be
doing something more to make sure this doesn't escalate?


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Old 09-11-2003, 07:32 PM
The Puppy Wizard
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Oh, that's on accHOWENT of tara o. is a MENTAL CASE, like

"culprit" wrote in message

"Tee" wrote in message

There are a couple of things you can try with the crate. Get a

hard rubber object with an empty core for putting treats and

such inside)
and put peanut butter or some other tasty filling inside. Put

this in the
crate with him. It gives him something to snack on, occupy

his time, and
chew on.

i think you missed something in the original post...

" I am also leaving his toys including a Kong I stuff with
kibble, peanut butter and treats, a rope toy, nylabones and

pieces of
towel with treats tied in knots in his crate during the night

and day
when he is confined to try to encourage him to chew them. "


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Old 09-11-2003, 10:42 PM
The Puppy Wizard
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Default New, worried owner seeks advice and help

HOWEDY andrea,

"Andrea" wrote in message
"Julia Altshuler" wrote:
You've had this little guy for a week? How old is he? Under

12 weeks,
I bet. The only advice you need is to relax. You have a

puppy. Your
puppy is acting like one.

This is exactly my thought.

You hurt dogs to train them.

It all sounds very normal.

INDEEDY, for an abused dog.

Puppies take time to grow up!

That so, andrea? You think the puppy
is too young to learn HOWE to behave?

Or is the problem the puppy is too young to HURT?

The trick is, remain consistant.

You're a idiot, andrea.

Be patient, firm, fair and most of enjoy the fun bits,
work through the trying bits.

You're full of crap, andrea.

If the children in the area (and their parents) are not

with normal puppy behavior, then do not let him play with them.

To socialize him with kids...

You /do/ want to at least expose him to kids
but they don't have to be allowed to roll around
with him, helping him to learn bad habits. (That
it's okay to nip kids.)

You think he should do that before trainin IT?

Your puppy has only been learning to be crated with
no other dogs or people around for about a week now.

Crating makes dogs anxiHOWES and HOWETA control.

Sounds like he's being perfectly normal.

For a dog that's bein locked in a box and bribed
and punished.

Keep doing what you're doing.

What the OP's been doin hasn't worked, andrea.
See The Puppy Wizard's DISS-CUSSIONS with
lt joel HOWETA BUSINESS walton who recommends
the methods you bums use.

If you're concerned that he may have separation
axiety in the crate while you are not there, try setting
up a an internet camera or camcorder to see what
he does while you're out.

He'll HOWEL and whine an bark, you freakin idiot.

I'll bet that as soon as he realizes you're really gone he

settles down.

So, the crying and HOWELING and barkin is NORMAL?


The dog is SUFFERING separation and crate anxiety.

Training takes a lot more than a week!

No, it don't, andrea. Not if you know HOWE to train a dog.

Sounds like you're doing a great job.

The OP is in trHOWEBLE, andrea. You're a goddamned
imbecile and a dog abuser.

-Andrea Stone
Saorsa Basenjis

"Hoku Beltz" wrote in message
. ..

Aloha Sunny,

Just follow the training program to the
letter, no matter how insignificant some
of the step seem to be and your pupy will
be a very well behaved dog in a few days.

I would seriously consider backing out of
the training classes as they will conflict
with the Wit's End principles.

I went the training route first, and still
had problems until I found Wits' End.

Now I have two "new and improved" dogs.
You won't be disappointed if you follow
the program.

Good luck,



----- Original Message -----
From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo

Aloha Jerry,

Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders. I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.

Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!



I've suggested she contact the vet ASAP

The vet got no information abHOWET raising
her pups, darby.

in the meantime read, read, read and read.

Read WHAT, darby? All the EXXXPERTS are
DEAD WRONG, darby:

"Linda" wrote in message

I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.

I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.

At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.

I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.

They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.

I took him to an animal behaviorist with PhD 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
LEASH", ETC looking for help.

We finally went to Purdue University Small Animal Behavior
Clinic and they said he had fear aggression, punishment
would not work, use the gentle leader and when out walking
and he got stressed have the people stop until he could get in
control using treats, and work on clicker training.

At that point I knew more about clicker training and using the
gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he would
not come when I called him and would run away when I tried
to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and
women who hasn't trained her dog"

I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who were
trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two were so
afraid of him they could not approach him. No one said I
should give up on him and kill him but they would say
"You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."

As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on going
discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr Meister
with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do Right and
messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.

He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 month!

Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?

I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.

When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"

The results can make a believer!!!Three weeks since
beginning the Wits End Training Manual program I walked
him without the gentle leader in a busy shopping area with
many dogs. He just seemed to not notice any one.

When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.

If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
and had to be killed. Through all this he never growled
at me, guarded his toys or food or showed any sign of
aggression with me.

My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!

I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.

I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!


--------- Message -----
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: FOREVER And A DAY! - dog aggression

Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.

We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.

I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-

- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.

They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.


I said I'd ask ya'll for suggestions

You mean, you told her you was gonna ask

(I made it clear that she needs to talk to the VET

The VET don't know NUTHIN abHOWET behavior.

and not rely on me as the vet)

You're a halfwitted CHUMP, darby.

She's got the crates

Crates CAUSE anxiety and impede HOWEsbreakin.

and toys ect.

Forget the goddamned toys, darby. Toys aren't important.

They seem to like the crate

They HIDE in their crates, darby. THAT'S HOWE crates

and are learning to mess in it...

That's on accHOWENT of they're anxiHOWES
or haven't been taken care of pupperly, darby.

so housebreaking seems to be going as well
as one might expect.

That so? HOWEsbreakin is INSTINCTIVE, darby.
Pups NATURALLY HOWEsbreak at five weeks.

(I'm no expert at housebreaking

You're no expert at NUTHIN, college boy.

so I can't provide much help on that)

Yes you could. You could give your FRIEND
a FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.

Copy it to floppy disc and she can print it HOWET
at a copy shop...

I'm not aware of any crying at night.

That's nice...

Her boyfriend is in-between jobs and is able to
stay at home with them but I have no idea how
long that will last.

Till she throws him the heel HOWET.

I gently tried to tell her that they're much to young
to be away from mom

That's kindly of you, darby. But you're full of crap.

and without supervision.

The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Student's train their dogs
to not chew or get into STUFF in a couple HOWERS.

She said she thought they were a bit too young to
be away from mom.

That so?

In the meantime, I told her to socialize them as
much as possible as pups taken from litter mates
and mom too early can develop behavior issues.

That's a load of crap, darby. Starr's story will show
you otherWIZE.

They don't have all of their shots,

So much for SOCIALIZATION HOWEtside of the HOWES.

so I told her to be very careful about being around
other dogs ect.. But I encouraged lots of socialization
with other dogs, people, places ect as soon as they
UTD on shots....

Good thinkin, darby.

She has been feeding them wet food since she
got them (just a few days) previous owner was
feeding wet as well. I don't know what brand.

That's nice, darby. What do you know abHOWET
feedin dogs, darby? See "Breakfast At The Puppy

She asked if that was appropriate and for how long.
I told her that in general, feed puppy food as long as
the vet says to then gradually switch to adult.

BRILLIANT, darby!!!!

However, since they are so young and were taken
away from mom so young, I wasn't sure what to do now.

HOWE abHOWET feed them BABY FOOD till
the vet sez they're ready for PUPPY FOOD an
then wean them to ADULT FOOD when the vet
sez, eh darby?

She's reported no runny bm's or any other problems.....

Well, you're in your element, ain't you, darby.

I've encouraged her to start reading and researching
on her own and she's a responsible gal, so I think she

Geez darby, she's askin YOU for heelp. That's not
a WIZE idea, is it, darby.

I've also made it clear that I'm willing to help,

Oh, well GOOD FOR YOU!

but that she needs to learn on her own.


Any suggestion?

Yeah. Say GOOD BYE, darby.



"Charlie Wilkes" wrote in message
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:40:28 GMT, "The Puppy Wizard"

jerry's book showed me not to punish the
dog. but just to work with the dog. which
I liked the idea of hence why I tried it. it is
easy to become frustrated with a dog when
you are trying to train them.

Exactly. Say what you want about Jerry,
but he is nothing if not insightful -- light
years ahead of the biddies in this group,
but they're too dumb to know it.

In fact, they are so dumb they aren't
really sure their dogs aren't capable of
outsmarting them, and that goes a long
way toward explaining their bizarre,
paranoid theories about why dogs misbehave.


The Core Takeaway I Got From Jerry's Manual Is
This: Make Yourself The Center Of Your Puppy's
World - His Personal Lord Jesus. Never Give Him
A Reason To Fear You Or Think You're Angry.
Love The Heck Out Of Him, And You'll End Up With
A Great Dog," Charlie.

Sez it all, Charlie...

"Charlie Wilkes" wrote
in message
news: ...

I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a
bit of the literature suggested I needed to assert
my dominance and "make the dog earn everything it

I tried this once or twice, just by taking a stern
tone of voice, and the results were terrible.
The pup got scared and just wanted to stay away from

That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE
Wits' End Dog Training manual -- that and the fact
that Jerry is an all-around great guy.

The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this:
make yourself the center of your puppy's world -
- his personal Lord Jesus. Never give him a reason
to fear you or think you're angry. Love the heck
out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.

This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do
anything I want her to, if she understands, because
she trusts me 100 percent, and nothing is more
important in her world than her relationship
with me.



"JoeTheGuru" wrote in
news: ...


or it could be a troll are you a troll??
do not use it on your dog.....

would you use it on your best friend.....

I have read jerry's book, it seems too easy at first.
however I started to use some of the training out of it and now.

I have a dog that heels as fast as a collie in a
trial.great dane X mastiff

I have a dog that stays and never leaves the spot.

I have a dog that comes when ever I call.

I have a dog that never leaves the yard, never runs away.

I have a dog that stands still to be washed
with the cold hose.

I have a dog that never pulls on
the lead when we walk.

I have a dog that puts up with more abuse then a
dog should from my 2 year old and loves it

I have a dog that barks at the fence only when some ones there.

I have a dog that would not care less if there is
another dog in the park only wants to be with and
please me though a lot of this is due to me training the dog
spending the
time with the dog.

jerry's book showed me not to punish the dog. but
just to work with the dog. which I liked the idea of
hence why I tried it. it is easy to become
frustrated with a dog when you are trying to train

I look forward to my next puppy ban dog so
I can use the information from jerry's book
and see just how good a dog can get.

the dog I have now was when I picked her up from
the RSPCA. she could not walk on a lead no idea.
cowered from every noise and wet her self, messed
in the house at every turn. acted like I was killing her
when I dragged her over to the mess.

this was A 6 month old pup that had been beaten
2.5 feet to the shoulder. I could of taken her back
however I knew I could bring her back to being to
be a dog.

the dog I have now at 1.5 years same dog is a dog
to be proud to walk down the street with 3 feet to
the shoulder and still growing.

so well behaved even when people walk passed with
a out of control dog. gentle with my child and trustworthy
I never have to worry that my dog will bite her, only
have to worry if a stranger comes over to my child.
still that is not a worry, she places herself between my
child and the stranger.

I may be plugging jerry's book, however with the
crap out there it is good to see that someone has
moved forward. looked at a different way to train
dogs. yes he gets into people, and in their face
you should back off a little jerry however he is
sick of the bashing, choking, shocking, shaking
and everything else. so jerry save this lad from
ruining his dog. later, Joe



Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
He has millions of people aleady reading
his posts and watching him extract his soggy
foot out of his mouth!
Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2
naive childs come forward and actually
believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two
naive childs since I freely admit to having
read and, I hope, understood enough of the
manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher
and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you
to both Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with
a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with
the nagging idea that if people like them had
been posting earlier, maybe we would not have
had to hold the head of a really magnificent
animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until
he gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can
terrorize a dog into good behavior. Naive is
believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use
their real names.

Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better
than those that have studied and lived by their
craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see
kindergarten level insults for what they are.

Really stupid is believing that people like
Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going
to just go away because you people act like
fools. Why do you act like fools? I really
have no idea, and I don't really care.

And, to date: I've not seen ONE come
forward and actually admit to buying and
having success with his little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's
day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for
their use and testing. You would never believe
the results, so you'll never know.

Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man
coming by Jerry's posts deserves to get what
is sure to be coming to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?

As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.


Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen
to the box first?)


The Puppy Wizard. }TPW ; - )

(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizzzard. }YPW ; ~ }

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