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Old 13-05-2004, 03:02 AM
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Did a quick search. Your town justice had it right. Here is the URL
for the applicable NY state reg, section 11-0523:
http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/d...ife/damage.htm

"Doug Kanter" pontificated wisely that:

"rot13 (Kevin Miller)" wrote in message
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Also be sure to carefully check your local hunting regulations. Many
places, including MA, have an "exemption" to the hunting season rules
that give property owners the right to destroy wildlife in the act of
causing damage or threatening personal safety.


That's interesting. Our town justice used to be my son's baseball coach, so
we had lots of time to shoot the breeze. Once, I was having serious problems
with a couple of dogs destroying vegetable plants (digging within the
garden). The judge told me that as long as I did not violate firearms laws,
it was legal to "reeducate" (i.e.: kill) such dogs. A couple of people who
are not in a position to know these things argued with me about this, and
asked me to confirm it. I was unable to find this in our town's statutes.
Perhaps it's a NY state statute. I believe what the judge told me, but
still....it's interesting to know where these things are written, for both
practical AND historical reasons.



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Old 13-05-2004, 09:02 AM
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Richard Cline wrote in
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In article ,
(rot13) wrote:

I am reminded of a neighbor of mine who found a couple large stray
dogs in his yard. He called animal control and asked them to come and
pick up the dogs. They told him that they were unable to come to his
house. He replied that that was no problem, he would simply shoot the
dogs. They told him that it was against the law. He explained that
the stray dogs were attacking his dog and he would shoot the strays as
a means of protecting his dog.

The animal control people arrived within ten minutes.

Dick


This reminds me of a neighbor a few years ago when he saw two kids breaking
into his storage building. When he called the police he was told they
didn't have a car ton send right away, but would get there when they
cvould. He called them back in a couple of minutes and told them not to
hurry that he just shot the two intruders. They show up in about 3 minutes
and caught the two kids. The police ask why he lied about shooting the
kids. He said well I got lied to by you when you said you had no car to
send out.



That's interesting. Our town justice used to be my son's baseball
coach, so
we had lots of time to shoot the breeze. Once, I was having serious
problems
with a couple of dogs destroying vegetable plants (digging within
the garden). The judge told me that as long as I did not violate
firearms laws,
it was legal to "reeducate" (i.e.: kill) such dogs. A couple of
people who
are not in a position to know these things argued with me about
this, and
asked me to confirm it. I was unable to find this in our town's
statutes.
Perhaps it's a NY state statute. I believe what the judge told me,
but still....it's interesting to know where these things are
written, for both
practical AND historical reasons.




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Old 13-05-2004, 05:03 PM
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"Fay" wrote in message
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This reminds me of a neighbor a few years ago when he saw two kids

breaking
into his storage building. When he called the police he was told they
didn't have a car ton send right away, but would get there when they
cvould. He called them back in a couple of minutes and told them not to
hurry that he just shot the two intruders. They show up in about 3 minutes
and caught the two kids. The police ask why he lied about shooting the
kids.

Filing a false report usually has a stiff penalty. How did you avoid being
charged?

He said well I got lied to by you when you said you had no car to
send out.

Two wrongs don't make a right. You can't justify your crime this way.




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Old 14-05-2004, 08:03 PM
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On 10 May 2004 13:54:25 GMT, someone wrote:


Can I simply buy a
raccoon trap and transport a few away from my property?

Sure, if you want to do that every night until you have taught all the
racoons in the neighborhood not to go in the traps. But that won't
keep them out of your garden.

You sure this aint just a troll????

-v.
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Old 17-05-2004, 05:04 AM
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Doug Kanter wrote:

"Max" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Joseph Meehan" wrote:


that's upsetting that they can climb.

They live in trees. They are also very good at opening gates and
latches. They can quickly learn to turn standard door handles. They


are

not too good at picking locks, but some primates can do that.


ahem.. cough [tap tap] THEY HAVE HANDS!!!

.max



They also have a sense of humor. While camping in the Catskills many years
ago, my wife & I watched as some knucklehead set up a screen house, and
inside it, two sets of collapsible plastic shelves onto which he placed what
appeared to be enough snacks for an army. Lots of chips, cookies, cereal,
etc. The ranger warned the dummy about wildlife, but I guess he decided the
ranger didn't know what he was talking about. Around 2:00 AM, there was lots
of crashing & interesting animal sounds. Two raccoons had bitten through the
screen and knocked over the shelves. When the guy got up the nerve to come
out of his tent, the creatures were still inside having a feast, while they
watched the guy run around outside the screen house yelling. The feast
continued for about an hour until the ranger finally came over and urged
them (with a stick) to go elsewhere. He then evicted the camper.


LOL at coons. When still in Illinois I had tossed a bunch of Halloween
suckers in the trash that the ants had gotten into. The next morning I
found a pile of sucker sticks in the yard! I laughed for days at the
mental picture of these coons sucking on suckers in the yard.

amy

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Old 17-05-2004, 05:04 AM
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Marcy Hege wrote:

Weird racoons may be displaying signs of rabies. Not an animal to be messed
with when acting weird! I definitely wouldn't have a child anywhere around if I
was trying to deal with a caged "weird" racoon.


Amen! Coons and skunks or any nocturnal animals observed active in the
DAYTIME should be treated as rabid.

amy

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Old 17-05-2004, 05:07 AM
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Doug Kanter wrote:

"Ignoramus15189" wrote in message
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In article , Doug Kanter wrote:

Sharpen your spade and make a "slot" into the ground all along the


bottom of

the existing fence. Insert fence wire as deep as possible, and attach


the

I am sorry for my stupid question, but what is fence wire?



Galvanized wire screen that you buy in rolls. It's available with openings
of various sizes. It'll be obvious which size to get.



top of the wire to the chain link fence. This still leaves the top of


the

fence vulnerable though, and raccoons can definitely climb.


that's upsetting that they can climb.



It's not upsetting to the raccoons. :-)



A Havahart trap is a good idea, too, but you might want to have your


local

animal control people assist. Raccoons can get weird....


I can get weird too, I am not afraid of raccoons.



In order to release an animal from a Havahart trap, your hands will be right
ON the trap as you open the end. You didn't say whether you've seen raccoons
on your property during daylight hours, but if you have, it's assumed they
may be rabid. Animal control people may have equipment which allows them to
keep a little more distance during the release.


Animal control capturing a coon in the daytime is NOT going to release
it. It will be destroyed....unless someone is exposed...then it will be
destroyed and the head sent to the lab to test for rabies.

amy ex-animal control

Besides...if you have to "get weird" to keep from being bitten, it might
mean hurting the animal.



The issue is, are there so
many local raccoons that trapping them is a waste of time? Do they
migrate? For example, obviously, trapping birds is a waste of time
since they propagate everywhere. But, if I could trap, say, 3-5
raccoons, would it actually help?



Beats me. I lived in a semi-city neighborhood where we'd only see one or two
per year. No idea what your area is like. Take a walk, look for other
vegetable gardens, and knock on the owners' doors & ask them.


Another suggestion I've heard is to plant prickly stuff around the crops
that interest the raccoon. Zucchini and other squashes have abrasive


stems

that some raccoons won't step through. And, you didn't mention how far


your

fence is from the garden. If it's possible to plant shrubs that'll end


up

being 3-4' in diameter, and still leave room for YOU to work, you might
consider barberry. Nothing gets past that bush without severe


lacerations.

That's why birds hang out in them and laugh at the cats.


no space for that, unfortunately.



Too bad. It's fun to watch dogs crash into barberry bushes.



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Old 17-05-2004, 05:09 AM
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Bill Spohn wrote:

I would not use an electric fence with a 3 year old kid in the house.



Gee - even the coons only touch it about once - most kids should be at least as
smart....;-)


Agreed. I grew up with electric fences. Although we did have one ditz
sister who could ALWAYS be convinced "the fence wasn't on but would she
go check it for us?"

amy



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Old 17-05-2004, 06:02 AM
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Anthony Aversano wrote:

On Mon, 10 May 2004 17:25:31 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Ignoramus15189" wrote in message
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In article , Doug Kanter wrote:

"Ignoramus15189" wrote in message
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forgot to say, trapping and releasing raccoons would be educational
for my 3 year old son.

Is it an ego thing, or is there some other reason you don't want to


enlist

your local animal control people?

I hate spending money on various contractors. Hiring contractors is an
unbelievable waste of time and money.


Are we on the same planet? I'm referring to your TOWN'S animal control
department. I've never heard of those people charging a citizen for removing
an animal.



Where I live (a little north of Seattle, Washington) you have to pay for this
service unless you can show they are injured or diseased. I had a family of 4
destroying my ponds last year and was told to either live with it or pay the
cities subcontractor $300 to remove them. And keep paying about $75 per animal
after that as new ones arrived to fill the created void.

Tony


THAT sucks! Ya'll should pay more taxes.

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Adam Russell wrote:

"Snooze" wrote in message
. com...

"Adam Russell" wrote in message
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Evolution in action. He'll either learn what futility is, or he'll

actually

educate himself on electric fences and not subscribe to ignorant


hysteria.

I'll bet he's even touched his tongue to a battery as a child, but


somehow

he thinks that should have electrocuted him.

I'm pretty sure it takes more than 9v to scare off a racoon. So how


much

voltage would you use that would do the job but not hurt the child? I


know

you can die from as little as 50v. Even less if you got imaginative.



Don't let your kids wear wool socks on a low humidity day...imagine what
would happen if they discovered they can shuffle around the house and zap
each other with a few thousand volts. A typical static electricity shock


is

about 2000 - 4000 volts.

Of course a amperage involved is so low, that aside from the surprise, no
damage is done. Ever taken a weak 9v battery and tapped it against your
tongue? A fresh battery hurts a little, but a weak one gives a little
tingling sensation.

A consumer grade electric fence is harmless, it will give a mild shock,


but

nothing dangerous. I couldn't find the specifications online, so
guestimating, if an electric fence transformer draws 120v A/C @ 1 amp, the
output would be 4000 v A/C at .03 amp.

That's just a mild shocker, pretty safe..if it was D/C on the otherhand is


a

different story.



You dont know much about electricity it appears. Static electricity is
completely different from transformer electricity. When you get a shock
from static electricity it is 2-4k for only an extreme fraction of a second.
I dont remember how short exactly (1ms comes to mind), but it is the brevity
that saves you. As it swiftly runs out of electrons the voltage falls to
zero. Power out of your wall does not fall off. At all. That 120v will
deliver 1mA or 15A depending on the resistance of what you are powering and
only limited by your circuit breaker or fuse. If you were to put a penny in
the fusebox it could deliver 1000's of amps with no problem except that the
wires would get hot. So putting it through a transformer will not reduce
the amperage available to any safe amount. 4000v will kill you, and it
matters not whether it is DC or AC.

Now as to the matter of electric fences, when I was a child my grandpa told
me to stay away from the electric fence surrounding the cow field. He said
it would kick me like a sledgehammer. He could have been pulling my leg,
but I imagine that anything meant to coerce a cow would hurt a human. OTOH,
a raccoon is not a cow. The question is open whether you could make a fence
with enough jolt to keep out racoons but not enough to hurt 3 year olds. I
personally doubt it.


The electic fence wouldn't have kicked you like a sledgehammer. I saw
more reaction from guys peeing on it than my blonde sister grabbing it
to see if it was alive. Incidentally, she was also the same one that
ALWAYS tested the batteries.....and she's alive and well.

amy

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In article , Amy D
wrote:

You may speak for the animal control where you worked but you do not
speak for all animal control agencies. Our local control will release
the animal several miles from its capture point.

Dick



Animal control capturing a coon in the daytime is NOT going to release
it. It will be destroyed....unless someone is exposed...then it will be
destroyed and the head sent to the lab to test for rabies.

amy ex-animal control

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Richard Cline wrote:

In article , Amy D
wrote:

You may speak for the animal control where you worked but you do not
speak for all animal control agencies. Our local control will release
the animal several miles from its capture point.

Dick


Are you telling me your animal control will release a racoon captured in
the daytime?

amy


Animal control capturing a coon in the daytime is NOT going to release
it. It will be destroyed....unless someone is exposed...then it will be
destroyed and the head sent to the lab to test for rabies.

amy ex-animal control


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"Amy D" wrote in message
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In order to release an animal from a Havahart trap, your hands will be

right
ON the trap as you open the end. You didn't say whether you've seen

raccoons
on your property during daylight hours, but if you have, it's assumed

they
may be rabid. Animal control people may have equipment which allows them

to
keep a little more distance during the release.


Animal control capturing a coon in the daytime is NOT going to release
it. It will be destroyed....unless someone is exposed...then it will be
destroyed and the head sent to the lab to test for rabies.


Correct. I was mixing two ideas in too large of a bowl. :-)


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