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Vox Humana
 
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wrote in message
...
somebody worried Kerry isnt too exciting. Told her I will take any kinda

nerd with
works hard, knows how to mediate and both feet firmly planted on the

ground to
somebody who "talks" with God .... when I went to school it was called

delusional.
Old Chinese curse: may you live in interesting times


My feelings exactly. Furthermore, I don't "get" the religious part of the
formual. What religion promotes the corruption and lies that we have seen
within this administratio?. I don't have a problem with religion, but I
don't think we are dealing with any normal religious phenomina here.


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I'm wondering if the svengalis behind the scenes actually killed off Reagan
just to take the attention off the screw ups of Dubaya, the whole Iraq mess
and to try to get sympathy votes for the Republinazis in the up-coming
election.

I can almost see them putting the pillow over the senile old geezer's face
and telling him that "its for the good of the country" and that he would die
a true patriot.

Nah. They really couldn't be that cold blooded and manipulative. Could they?
They couldn't possibly kill a president and get away with it. Its not as
though its been done before.


"escapee" wrote in message
...
I guess in my minds eye I'm griping about how much money we just spent

for a
man who was president and who died at the beautifully old age of 93. I

mean, we
didn't lose a national treasure. The world didn 't blow up. He was a

very old
man. I hope I live so long with a degenerative disease. Geesh. A

national day
of mourning? What the **** was that? In NY alone, to pay all the

employees who
were given that day off cost about 50 million dollars for ONE day. It was

the
dumbest thing I'd heard.

Somehow, I am also disgusted by this display of wagging the friggin dog,
especially since they accused Clinton of doing that when he went into
Afghanistan. HE was wagging the dog. Bush is being respectful. What a

load of
shit. KILL KILL KILL the prisoners on death row, don't you dare touch

embryo's
for stem cell research. What the ffffffffffffffffff.

This is making me sick.

V

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:59:09 GMT, "Cereus-validus"


opined:

What are you griping about?

We are still suffering from the damage done by Reagan and his

deregulation.

If there wasn't the government cut backs in air traffic control, the FBI

and
CIA, 9-11 might never have happened!!!

How many people need to die in plan crashes, train crashes and automobile
accidents before the government steps in and improves safety standards?

Under Dubaya, things will only get worse.

Just ask yourself one thing: Is this what you expected to happen in the

new
millennium or were you hoping for something much better?




"escapee" wrote in message
.. .
I find it very hard to be who I am, someone trying and working hard at

not
hating, disliking or being angry at this man. I guess anger is not the

right
word. Disgust and upheaval; yes, those are the words.

If this guy wins the general election there is no hope in my lifetime

for
the
United States to ever be the same.

V


On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:56:59 GMT, "Cereus-validus"


opined:

I'm sure Dubaya can justify his actions by claiming he's just widening

the
fairways on the world's golf courses!!!

Here's Dubaya playing with his balls while staying under par!!!
http://www.jabtv.com/takeajab/takeaj.../Bush_Golf.jpg


"John A. Keslick, Jr." wrote in message
...
Man's first responsibility was to care for the garden, (Genesis

2-15).

He is raping the once fertile forest, cutting back on environmental

laws
which addresses creation care. What religion is
that????????????????????????????????????
Born again what?
God even cares about the sparrows. Bush has proven how UNGODLY he

really
is.
Sincerely,

John A. Keslick, Jr.
Tree Biologist
http://www.chesco.com/~treeman
Beware of so-called TREE EXPERTS who do not understand TREE BIOLOGY!
www.treedictionary.com



"John A. Keslick, Jr." wrote in message
...
Bush has no scientist that support commercial logging on federal

public
land. Now what faith will win the election? One might ask just

what
is
meant by cutting the wood out of the once fertile forest.
See "LOGGING - What it is"
http://www.chesco.com/~treeman/sound
for starters
also use
www.treedictionary.com


Ezekiel 39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field,

neither
cut
down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with

fi
and
they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that

robbed
them,
saith the Lord GOD.

Sincerely,

John A. Keslick, Jr.
Tree Biologist
http://www.chesco.com/~treeman
Beware of so-called TREE EXPERTS who do not understand TREE

BIOLOGY!
www.treedictionary.com








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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:27:09 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
opined:

I'm wondering if the svengalis behind the scenes actually killed off Reagan
just to take the attention off the screw ups of Dubaya, the whole Iraq mess
and to try to get sympathy votes for the Republinazis in the up-coming
election.


Don't laugh. John Stewart said the same thing! He said, (paraphrase) "I'm not
one for conspiracy theories, but was Reagan such a republican that he died to
take the heat off the current administration?" Uh, no, but uh, yeah!

I can almost see them putting the pillow over the senile old geezer's face
and telling him that "its for the good of the country" and that he would die
a true patriot.


One word, "Reaganomics." Nuff said. If that's patriotic, kill me now.

Nah. They really couldn't be that cold blooded and manipulative. Could they?
They couldn't possibly kill a president and get away with it. Its not as
though its been done before.


HA! Are you going to see Fahrenheit 911, which is nine eleven, not nine one
one. That drives me crazy. Nine one one. NOT. It's nine eleven. I don't
know if I will actually watch a lot of the violent images of Iraq combat, but I
want to support other voices. We are slowly losing every radio station,
television station, and every part between. All one voice and it becomes
Fahrenheit 451...or is it 415?

Either way, I know Nader is going to **** it all up again. Thank you Ralph
Nader. Gee wiz. Does he WANT the idiot to be president again?

V


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:........................ We are slowly losing every radio station,
: television station, and every part between.


http://www.airamericaradio.com/pub/globalDefault.htm


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Old 21-06-2004, 07:03 PM
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In article ,
wrote:

Either way, I know Nader is going to **** it all up again. Thank you Ralph
Nader. Gee wiz. Does he WANT the idiot to be president again?

V


Ralph Nader robbed me once.

It was back in the days of the Larry King radio show. Up till then Nader
was one of my minor heros because he was a good-looking even though kind
of creepy guy who never lets anyone inside his filthy apartment & only
owned one pair of shoes & a bunch of cheap look-alike rumpled suits. I'm
not making that up. He seemed so crazy I just had this fond feeling about
him. Gotta give some credit to a guy who manifests so many nutty traits
yet gets that far in life.

Plus of course there were those progressive politics which I found
generally agreeable, & I forgave him even his occasional lapses into
antisemitism; he posses a mythology of Cruel Jews & Harmless Palestinians,
perhaps inescapable given that Ralphy is Lebanese American, & I tried not
to focus too much on his lapses, just like I forgave Jackson his Hymie
Town remark.

But then Ralph robbed me personally, just plain stole my money, & I have
ever since thought of him primarily as a thieving scoundral.

On the Larry King show he was fundraising for his organization without
admitting what he was doing. For $5 each or $20 total, he explained
repeatedly, you could get four important consumer guides. I sent off my
money & what I got was four badly xeroxed sheets of paper with a few very
obvioius generic statements for consumers -- along with a request for more
money.

He remains on my shitlist until he returns the money he stole from me.

-paghat the ratgirl

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"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
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In article ,
"Cereus-validus" wrote:

I'm wondering if the svengalis behind the scenes actually killed off Reagan
just to take the attention off the screw ups of Dubaya, the whole Iraq mess
and to try to get sympathy votes for the Republinazis in the up-coming
election.

I can almost see them putting the pillow over the senile old geezer's face
and telling him that "its for the good of the country" and that he would die
a true patriot.

Nah. They really couldn't be that cold blooded and manipulative. Could they?
They couldn't possibly kill a president and get away with it. Its not as
though its been done before.


They did pay good money to bring out of retirement their greatest
undeground hero, the assassin from the Grassy Knoll, for one last job. But
he was a tad senile himself by then, & on the way to the Reagon's house
got lost & wandered off into an open field. He was found dehydrated to
death in the meadow, with his infamous rifle still clutched in his grimy
blistered knuckles.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com
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Old 21-06-2004, 08:02 PM
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"Vox Humana" wrote in message
...

"'enry VIII" wrote in message
news:NmtBc.87317$0y.76847@attbi_s03...
countries.

I personally think that he is a good person but delusional.


How can you tell? We only have a tightly controlled look at him (or
anyone
else in high political office, for that matter). He is all Madison Avenue
packaging and high-power PR firm spin. If he was a laundry detergent, he
would whiten white, brighten colors, remove the toughest stains, make you
clothes last longer, be hypoallergenic, smell good, use less water, and
give
you a sunshine good feeling. What really bothers me about the people who
vote for Bush is that there is some universal feeling that he is an
"everyday Joe" who you could have a great time with in a social context
and
that's all that we need. The first part is far from true, and the second
part is unlikely if you aren't part of the elite country club set - the
part
that masquerades as ranchers but have no cattle. Why have we become a
nation
of people who elect a president based on irrelevant factors?


Well, the majority of Americans didn't vote for Bush, he won on the counting
of the Electoral vote of which each state has an established amount.

I will not vote for Bush because of his neglect and purposeful destruction
of the enviorement.

No one will get my vote that thinks that he/she is doing "God's" work.

'enry VIII




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"escapee" wrote in message
...
I guess in my minds eye I'm griping about how much money we just spent for
a
man who was president and who died at the beautifully old age of 93. I
mean, we
didn't lose a national treasure. The world didn 't blow up. He was a
very old
man. I hope I live so long with a degenerative disease. Geesh. A
national day
of mourning? What the **** was that? In NY alone, to pay all the
employees who
were given that day off cost about 50 million dollars for ONE day. It was
the
dumbest thing I'd heard.

Somehow, I am also disgusted by this display of wagging the friggin dog,
especially since they accused Clinton of doing that when he went into
Afghanistan. HE was wagging the dog. Bush is being respectful. What a
load of
shit. KILL KILL KILL the prisoners on death row, don't you dare touch
embryo's
for stem cell research. What the ffffffffffffffffff.

This is making me sick.


I agree with you, we have protected old growth, pristine forest in Northern
Idaho, what does Bush want to do, allow roads to be build through it.

For what? He says it is to allow fire fighters better access but what he
really wants to do is open the forests to logging.

I believe that we have to leave large areas of land undeveloped and unlogged
for the benefit of the wildlife and plantlife that live there. That is their
home and they need it (habitat) to exist.

Humans wouldn't want someone to destroy their only way to survive!

This entire area (the Northwest) is being destroyed by over development, we
have bears, moose, cougar, deer and many other creatures coming into the
cities because they have no where else to go. Sometimes they are captured
and released away from the city but usually they are just killed.

Bush believes that the bible "God" gave the Earth to the humans to do with
it as they please.

Now we know why politics and religion don't mix.

'enry VIII


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"paghat" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"Cereus-validus" wrote:

I'm wondering if the svengalis behind the scenes actually killed off
Reagan
just to take the attention off the screw ups of Dubaya, the whole Iraq
mess
and to try to get sympathy votes for the Republinazis in the up-coming
election.

I can almost see them putting the pillow over the senile old geezer's
face
and telling him that "its for the good of the country" and that he would
die
a true patriot.

Nah. They really couldn't be that cold blooded and manipulative. Could
they?
They couldn't possibly kill a president and get away with it. Its not as
though its been done before.


They did pay good money to bring out of retirement their greatest
undeground hero, the assassin from the Grassy Knoll, for one last job. But
he was a tad senile himself by then, & on the way to the Reagon's house
got lost & wandered off into an open field. He was found dehydrated to
death in the meadow, with his infamous rifle still clutched in his grimy
blistered knuckles.

That was tongue in cheek, wasn't it? ;-

'enry VIII


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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:11:12 GMT, "rosie read and post"
opined:


:........................ We are slowly losing every radio station,
: television station, and every part between.


http://www.airamericaradio.com/pub/globalDefault.htm


I'm listening right now to Al Franken. They are talking about how the
politico's who speak Spanish to Latino people in this nation are laughed at, and
found to be condescending. Seems about right for the idiots who not only
pretend to care, but then butcher the language to make it worse.

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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:22:06 -0700, (paghat)
opined:

In article ,
wrote:

Either way, I know Nader is going to **** it all up again. Thank you Ralph
Nader. Gee wiz. Does he WANT the idiot to be president again?

V


Ralph Nader robbed me once.

It was back in the days of the Larry King radio show. Up till then Nader
was one of my minor heros because he was a good-looking even though kind
of creepy guy who never lets anyone inside his filthy apartment & only
owned one pair of shoes & a bunch of cheap look-alike rumpled suits. I'm
not making that up. He seemed so crazy I just had this fond feeling about
him. Gotta give some credit to a guy who manifests so many nutty traits
yet gets that far in life.


I absolutely understand what you are saying. I'll go as far as saying I like
Nader very much. He is borderline Mr. Rogers-ish (icky), but I'll give him
credit for trying to "spacialize" our political machine. However, he is going
to take votes away from Kerry by seeking gain with the college crowd. They are
well meaning, and I too believe we need a better system which would eliminate
the two party system, but this is not the way to go about it. IMO.

Plus of course there were those progressive politics which I found
generally agreeable, & I forgave him even his occasional lapses into
antisemitism; he posses a mythology of Cruel Jews & Harmless Palestinians,
perhaps inescapable given that Ralphy is Lebanese American, & I tried not
to focus too much on his lapses, just like I forgave Jackson his Hymie
Town remark.


I saw these instances as virtually benign and moved on. Everybody has their
reasons within their culture and New York is a wide open cultural mash. I think
most of us who lived in New York most of our lives laughed at the Jackson
comment, knowing what he meant by it. It's all local...if you know what I mean.

But then Ralph robbed me personally, just plain stole my money, & I have
ever since thought of him primarily as a thieving scoundral.


On the Larry King show he was fundraising for his organization without
admitting what he was doing. For $5 each or $20 total, he explained
repeatedly, you could get four important consumer guides. I sent off my
money & what I got was four badly xeroxed sheets of paper with a few very
obvioius generic statements for consumers -- along with a request for more
money.

He remains on my shitlist until he returns the money he stole from me.

-paghat the ratgirl


Ah, I remember that, but didn't send the money. I could see where you'd be
skeptical. Personally, I wish he'd go away and stay away. Let people with a
bit of credibility jump in there.

I would have liked it very much if McCaine (sp?) would have jumped the party and
roomed with Kerry. I think we'd have a good shot of 16 years to sew up the
chasms created by our current administration (if we can call it that).

Victoria


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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:51:48 GMT, "Glenda" opined:

I agree with you, we have protected old growth, pristine forest in Northern
Idaho, what does Bush want to do, allow roads to be build through it.

For what? He says it is to allow fire fighters better access but what he
really wants to do is open the forests to logging.

I believe that we have to leave large areas of land undeveloped and unlogged
for the benefit of the wildlife and plantlife that live there. That is their
home and they need it (habitat) to exist.


Not to mention fire is natural in forests. Forest fires. Natural. We need to
stop reproducing at warp speed and stop building the Mc Mansions. I'm guilty of
living in one...well, a mini-one, but I take up a half acre. At least my garden
is solely for wildlife...and it LOOKS it! I may need a machete to get it all
under control.


Humans wouldn't want someone to destroy their only way to survive!

This entire area (the Northwest) is being destroyed by over development, we
have bears, moose, cougar, deer and many other creatures coming into the
cities because they have no where else to go. Sometimes they are captured
and released away from the city but usually they are just killed.

Bush believes that the bible "God" gave the Earth to the humans to do with
it as they please.

Now we know why politics and religion don't mix.

'enry VIII


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Maybe Nancy was getting tired of hearing "Win one for the Gipper" stories
over and over again. "You know, Mommie, I played George Gip in the movie
Knute Rockne-All American with Edmond O'Brien and when my character died, he
said "Win one for the Gipper!". "Did I ever tell you, Mommie, I played
George Gip in the the movie Knute Rockne-All American with Edmond O'Brien
and when...................".

I can just see that "dragon lady" with the pillow over his face saying "take
this one for the Gipper, dammit!"

That Michael Moore is getting tons of free publicity for his movie from
Republinazis that don't want the truth to be known. The more they complain,
even more people will go out to see it out of curiosity!!!

Mel Gibson was going to do a remake of Fahrenheit 451 before he saw Jesus
and I wonder if Michael Moore beating him to it has changed his mind about
ever doing it at all?

Maybe Ralph Nader could die in a freak accident with a manure powered car?


"escapee" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:27:09 GMT, "Cereus-validus"


opined:

I'm wondering if the svengalis behind the scenes actually killed off

Reagan
just to take the attention off the screw ups of Dubaya, the whole Iraq

mess
and to try to get sympathy votes for the Republinazis in the up-coming
election.


Don't laugh. John Stewart said the same thing! He said, (paraphrase)

"I'm not
one for conspiracy theories, but was Reagan such a republican that he died

to
take the heat off the current administration?" Uh, no, but uh, yeah!

I can almost see them putting the pillow over the senile old geezer's

face
and telling him that "its for the good of the country" and that he would

die
a true patriot.


One word, "Reaganomics." Nuff said. If that's patriotic, kill me now.

Nah. They really couldn't be that cold blooded and manipulative. Could

they?
They couldn't possibly kill a president and get away with it. Its not as
though its been done before.


HA! Are you going to see Fahrenheit 911, which is nine eleven, not nine

one
one. That drives me crazy. Nine one one. NOT. It's nine eleven. I

don't
know if I will actually watch a lot of the violent images of Iraq combat,

but I
want to support other voices. We are slowly losing every radio station,
television station, and every part between. All one voice and it becomes
Fahrenheit 451...or is it 415?

Either way, I know Nader is going to **** it all up again. Thank you

Ralph
Nader. Gee wiz. Does he WANT the idiot to be president again?

V


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I was just saying that to Mark last night. The igits on Fox are literally
giving Moore millions and millions of dollars worth of free press.

Here's a good article about the credibility of the fact checking Moore did:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/20/mo... amp;position


On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:13:06 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
opined:

Maybe Nancy was getting tired of hearing "Win one for the Gipper" stories
over and over again. "You know, Mommie, I played George Gip in the movie
Knute Rockne-All American with Edmond O'Brien and when my character died, he
said "Win one for the Gipper!". "Did I ever tell you, Mommie, I played
George Gip in the the movie Knute Rockne-All American with Edmond O'Brien
and when...................".

I can just see that "dragon lady" with the pillow over his face saying "take
this one for the Gipper, dammit!"

That Michael Moore is getting tons of free publicity for his movie from
Republinazis that don't want the truth to be known. The more they complain,
even more people will go out to see it out of curiosity!!!

Mel Gibson was going to do a remake of Fahrenheit 451 before he saw Jesus
and I wonder if Michael Moore beating him to it has changed his mind about
ever doing it at all?

Maybe Ralph Nader could die in a freak accident with a manure powered car?


"escapee" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:27:09 GMT, "Cereus-validus"


opined:

I'm wondering if the svengalis behind the scenes actually killed off

Reagan
just to take the attention off the screw ups of Dubaya, the whole Iraq

mess
and to try to get sympathy votes for the Republinazis in the up-coming
election.


Don't laugh. John Stewart said the same thing! He said, (paraphrase)

"I'm not
one for conspiracy theories, but was Reagan such a republican that he died

to
take the heat off the current administration?" Uh, no, but uh, yeah!

I can almost see them putting the pillow over the senile old geezer's

face
and telling him that "its for the good of the country" and that he would

die
a true patriot.


One word, "Reaganomics." Nuff said. If that's patriotic, kill me now.

Nah. They really couldn't be that cold blooded and manipulative. Could

they?
They couldn't possibly kill a president and get away with it. Its not as
though its been done before.


HA! Are you going to see Fahrenheit 911, which is nine eleven, not nine

one
one. That drives me crazy. Nine one one. NOT. It's nine eleven. I

don't
know if I will actually watch a lot of the violent images of Iraq combat,

but I
want to support other voices. We are slowly losing every radio station,
television station, and every part between. All one voice and it becomes
Fahrenheit 451...or is it 415?

Either way, I know Nader is going to **** it all up again. Thank you

Ralph
Nader. Gee wiz. Does he WANT the idiot to be president again?

V


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"escapee" wrote in message
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I was just saying that to Mark last night. The igits on Fox are literally
giving Moore millions and millions of dollars worth of free press.


It is the same as when the press gave Mel Gibson billion$ in free
advertising for his biblical S&M epic.


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