I'm looking at R.Goldsturm and E.purpurea

Apart from the obvious colour choice does anyone know of a good reason
to pick one over the other? Is one better against slugs or disease, or
require less water etc...

Which one is easier to grow?

Cheers

Grew rudbeckia for 10 years. Seemed to be bulletproof. My ex wife planted
some Echinacea 3 years ago. Appears to ALSO be bulletproof.

Why not plant both? You know what lawn is for, right? It's to provide you
with a source of exercise as you hack away grass to make more flower beds.


"Team_Steve" wrote in message
om...
I'm looking at R.Goldsturm and E.purpurea

Apart from the obvious colour choice does anyone know of a good reason
to pick one over the other? Is one better against slugs or disease, or
require less water etc...

Which one is easier to grow?

Cheers

Grew rudbeckia for 10 years. Seemed to be bulletproof. My ex wife planted
some Echinacea 3 years ago. Appears to ALSO be bulletproof.

Why not plant both? You know what lawn is for, right? It's to provide you
with a source of exercise as you hack away grass to make more flower beds.


"Team_Steve" wrote in message
om...
I'm looking at R.Goldsturm and E.purpurea

Apart from the obvious colour choice does anyone know of a good reason
to pick one over the other? Is one better against slugs or disease, or
require less water etc...

Which one is easier to grow?

Cheers

In article ,
(Team_Steve) wrote:

I'm looking at R.Goldsturm and E.purpurea

Apart from the obvious colour choice does anyone know of a good reason
to pick one over the other? Is one better against slugs or disease, or
require less water etc...

Which one is easier to grow?

Cheers

They used to be categorized as the same genus & are in general so much
alike in their requirements that SIZE and COLOR are the only things to
weigh in making an aesthetic choice for a dryish sun-garden. There are
semi-dwarf & dwarf echinaceas ('Ruby Star' & 'Kim's Knee-high' being most
common offerings, but even smaller ones can be had from specialists), plus
"Goldsturm" & the white echinacea are also smallish, compared to regular
large purple echinaceas

As my gardens are relative small in size, I've avoided the full-sized
echinaceas. If you have a larger garden that needs tall big clumping
flowery perennials, then the full-size echinacea varieties might be more
desirable. They're across the board among the easiest of easy perennials
to grow, though if you start from veritable seedlings they might be a
little sensitive to extremes during their first two summers, but
eventually are impervious to anything except too much wetness.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

In article ,
(Team_Steve) wrote:

I'm looking at R.Goldsturm and E.purpurea

Apart from the obvious colour choice does anyone know of a good reason
to pick one over the other? Is one better against slugs or disease, or
require less water etc...

Which one is easier to grow?

Cheers

They used to be categorized as the same genus & are in general so much
alike in their requirements that SIZE and COLOR are the only things to
weigh in making an aesthetic choice for a dryish sun-garden. There are
semi-dwarf & dwarf echinaceas ('Ruby Star' & 'Kim's Knee-high' being most
common offerings, but even smaller ones can be had from specialists), plus
"Goldsturm" & the white echinacea are also smallish, compared to regular
large purple echinaceas

As my gardens are relative small in size, I've avoided the full-sized
echinaceas. If you have a larger garden that needs tall big clumping
flowery perennials, then the full-size echinacea varieties might be more
desirable. They're across the board among the easiest of easy perennials
to grow, though if you start from veritable seedlings they might be a
little sensitive to extremes during their first two summers, but
eventually are impervious to anything except too much wetness.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

(paghat)

They're across the
board among the easiest of easy perennials
to grow, though if you start from veritable seedlings they might be a
little sensitive to extremes during their first two summers, but
eventually are impervious to anything except too much wetness.

-paghat the ratgirl


Would brown, crispy leaves be a sign of too much wetness? I thought mine
weren't getting enough water, maybe they're getting too much?

(paghat)

They're across the
board among the easiest of easy perennials
to grow, though if you start from veritable seedlings they might be a
little sensitive to extremes during their first two summers, but
eventually are impervious to anything except too much wetness.

-paghat the ratgirl


Would brown, crispy leaves be a sign of too much wetness? I thought mine
weren't getting enough water, maybe they're getting too much?

"Team_Steve" wrote in message
om...
I'm looking at R.Goldsturm and E.purpurea

Apart from the obvious colour choice does anyone know of a good reason
to pick one over the other? Is one better against slugs or disease, or
require less water etc...

Which one is easier to grow?


I find R. Goldstum a bit less picky than E. purpurea. Both are wonderful
plants, but the Echinacea tends to flop over in my garden and the rudbeckia
does not. Both self-seed, but the rudbeckia is more vigorous for me. The
slugs do go for the rudbeckia, but I haven't noticed them on the Echinacea.

"Team_Steve" wrote in message
om...
I'm looking at R.Goldsturm and E.purpurea

Apart from the obvious colour choice does anyone know of a good reason
to pick one over the other? Is one better against slugs or disease, or
require less water etc...

Which one is easier to grow?


I find R. Goldstum a bit less picky than E. purpurea. Both are wonderful
plants, but the Echinacea tends to flop over in my garden and the rudbeckia
does not. Both self-seed, but the rudbeckia is more vigorous for me. The
slugs do go for the rudbeckia, but I haven't noticed them on the Echinacea.

In article ,
(HA HA Budys Here) wrote:

(paghat)

They're across the
board among the easiest of easy perennials
to grow, though if you start from veritable seedlings they might be a
little sensitive to extremes during their first two summers, but
eventually are impervious to anything except too much wetness.

-paghat the ratgirl


Would brown, crispy leaves be a sign of too much wetness? I thought mine
weren't getting enough water, maybe they're getting too much?

Ordinarily "regular" watering is too much for echinaceas, & when
established as foot-wide flowery clumps they may need watering ALMOST
never except in the droughtiest days of summer. But extremely young or
just-planted echinaceas may need fairly regular watering, especially
during the hottest droughtiest days of summer, or they'll dry out & do
nothing for that year, though usually the root survives & it'll try again
for itself the following summer. The ground should be allowed to entirely
dry out between waterings, but not be left completely dried out for too
terribly long (for young plants), getting no superfical waterings between
occasional deep watering.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

In article ,
(HA HA Budys Here) wrote:

(paghat)

They're across the
board among the easiest of easy perennials
to grow, though if you start from veritable seedlings they might be a
little sensitive to extremes during their first two summers, but
eventually are impervious to anything except too much wetness.

-paghat the ratgirl


Would brown, crispy leaves be a sign of too much wetness? I thought mine
weren't getting enough water, maybe they're getting too much?

Ordinarily "regular" watering is too much for echinaceas, & when
established as foot-wide flowery clumps they may need watering ALMOST
never except in the droughtiest days of summer. But extremely young or
just-planted echinaceas may need fairly regular watering, especially
during the hottest droughtiest days of summer, or they'll dry out & do
nothing for that year, though usually the root survives & it'll try again
for itself the following summer. The ground should be allowed to entirely
dry out between waterings, but not be left completely dried out for too
terribly long (for young plants), getting no superfical waterings between
occasional deep watering.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 09:06:17 -0700,
(paghat) wrote:

flowery perennials, then the full-size echinacea varieties might be more
desirable. They're across the board among the easiest of easy perennials
to grow, though if you start from veritable seedlings they might be a
little sensitive to extremes during their first two summers, but
eventually are impervious to anything except too much wetness.

I've tried twice to grow them -in different spots- with no luck.
Maybe this year it's due to too much wetness.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 09:06:17 -0700,
(paghat) wrote:

flowery perennials, then the full-size echinacea varieties might be more
desirable. They're across the board among the easiest of easy perennials
to grow, though if you start from veritable seedlings they might be a
little sensitive to extremes during their first two summers, but
eventually are impervious to anything except too much wetness.

I've tried twice to grow them -in different spots- with no luck.
Maybe this year it's due to too much wetness.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 08:24:07 -0700, Team_Steve wrote:

I'm looking at R.Goldsturm and E.purpurea

Apart from the obvious colour choice does anyone know of a good reason
to pick one over the other? Is one better against slugs or disease, or
require less water etc...

Which one is easier to grow?

Cheers


Both are great and require no real work or fuss. Do both!
I will sometime use a ring or hoop to hold up the taller coneflowers, the
Black eyed Susans keep themselves up. The Susans spread much faster.
I recommend thining out the Susan bed(s) every 3-4 years, just transplant
some in the spring, you'll never have to buy more. I started with 3 plants
about 7 years ago and from those 3 I have 6 other beds now, each about 4x3
feet in size. about 3-4 feet tall.

Tom

Apart from the obvious colour choice does anyone know of a good reason
to pick one over the other? Is one better against slugs or disease, or
require less water etc...

Both are wonderful easy, low maintenance plants that spread very well and
require little to no water once established. The butterflies love them and if
you let them go to seed at the end of the season the birds, especially the
goldfinches and chickadees love to eat the seeds in the fall. I'd grow both!!
Colleen
Zone 5 CT