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Old 26-08-2004, 05:38 PM
David Ross
 
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Steve Wolfe wrote [in part]:
I previously wrote [also in part]:
Revise your claim. Your claim should include only the value of the
tree before it was damaged, the cost of TOTAL removal (including
cutting, hauling, and grinding out the stump so that a new tree can
be planted), and the costs of submitting the claim (e.g., the cost
of the arborist's estimate). Do not include the cost of a
replacement tree (see below).


That's still not at all fair to him. That's like letting someone hit your
car, total it, and letting their insurance just tow it away. They're taking
a real-world loss to their property value by losing the tree, and in order
to be made whole, the tree should be replaced - or they should be
compensated for the loss of property value. That's not trying to stick it
to the insurance company, that's just being made whole.


You failed to understand what I wrote. The claim must include the
value of the tree BEFORE the accident. That is exactly how a claim
in an automobile collision would be settled if the victim's vehicle
were totalled; he would get what the car was worth before the
accident, not what a new car would cost. In this way, the
homeowner would receive compensation for the loss of the value of
his property caused by the fatal damage to his tree.

In this case (a gardening newsgroup), my advice stands. (That's
planting advice, not insurance or legal advice.) Replace the tree
with something younger and smaller. It is likely to become better
established and thrive better than planting a specimen tree that
attempts to match the damaged tree in age and size. In the
meantime, since a 5-10 gallon tree would obviously cost less than
the old tree was worth, the homeowner would realize some cash as
compensation for the time it takes the new tree to grow.

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Old 27-08-2004, 03:37 PM
 
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trimming is not a universal practice, which is what makes top posting a lot less time
consuming. I rarely have a problem figuring out what is being talked about cause the
messages come threaded and in order. maybe 2% of the time if I dont know what the
topic is I roll down to take a look.
yes, once in a while I will intersperse responses to specific questions. but I dont
respond to most messages.
what is most time consuming is rolling all the way down to find the response is some
variation of "me too".
Ingrid

"S. M. Henning" wrote:
No. But if the message is trimmed, it makes more sense to leave the
part a person is responding to at the beginning so they don't have to
repeat what they are responding to.

It makes most sense to trim and then post he reply after each section of
the trimming.



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Old 27-08-2004, 10:46 PM
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In article , "Vox Humana"
wrote:

"S. M. Henning" wrote in message
news
wrote:

trimming is not a universal practice, ...


But is should be. I have seen email messages with a half-dozen others
included.

what is most time consuming is rolling all the way down ...


What is slick is a mouse with a thumbwheel on it. Then you can scroll
up and down in a fraction of a second. No time is consumed.


You can also page-down by hitting the space bar.


People who top-post, I tend to stop reading their posts after a while,
because I don't want to have to scroll down then back up again, just to
find out what the hell they think they're responding to. Their method
doubles the amount of time it takes to read the post in context, while
failing to double the value of the time spent reading.

Top-posting is outdone by people who leave nothing at all of the previous
post but respond to it anyway. No context at all!

As for people who never trim the previous posts so that each addition
makes consecutive posts longer & longer & longer, I rarely bother to
scroll to the bottom for the newest addition, because I've learned over
time if they're too dumb to know how to trim a post, they're too dumb to
say anything interesting. In some newsgroups, however, this is called
"cascading," & people make terse comments one after another until the
posts are exceedingly long. This is a tradition especially in flame
newsgroups, which pretty much reflects the value of never trimming.

I also tend to stop reading posters who don't have enough sense to turn
off MIME or html features. Again, if they're too dumb to post properly,
they're not apt to be bright enough to say anything of interest, so I'm
not likely to miss anything useful or entertaining by skipping to the
next.

-paghat the ratgirl

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"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
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Old 27-08-2004, 11:49 PM
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:46:19 -0700,
(paghat) wrote:

In article , "Vox Humana"
wrote:

"S. M. Henning" wrote in message
news
wrote:

trimming is not a universal practice, ...

But is should be. I have seen email messages with a half-dozen others
included.

what is most time consuming is rolling all the way down ...

What is slick is a mouse with a thumbwheel on it. Then you can scroll
up and down in a fraction of a second. No time is consumed.


You can also page-down by hitting the space bar.


People who top-post, I tend to stop reading their posts after a while,
because I don't want to have to scroll down then back up again, just to
find out what the hell they think they're responding to. Their method
doubles the amount of time it takes to read the post in context, while
failing to double the value of the time spent reading.

Top-posting is outdone by people who leave nothing at all of the previous
post but respond to it anyway. No context at all!

As for people who never trim the previous posts so that each addition
makes consecutive posts longer & longer & longer, I rarely bother to
scroll to the bottom for the newest addition, because I've learned over
time if they're too dumb to know how to trim a post, they're too dumb to
say anything interesting. In some newsgroups, however, this is called
"cascading," & people make terse comments one after another until the
posts are exceedingly long. This is a tradition especially in flame
newsgroups, which pretty much reflects the value of never trimming.

I also tend to stop reading posters who don't have enough sense to turn
off MIME or html features. Again, if they're too dumb to post properly,
they're not apt to be bright enough to say anything of interest, so I'm
not likely to miss anything useful or entertaining by skipping to the
next.

-paghat the ratgirl

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"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
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OK, this is bottom posted, but I've thought long and hard about this
issue and realised that my view depends upon circumstances. If I am
coming to the thread where only one or two new messages have been
added since I last logged on and where I have seen and remembered
earlier messages within the last day or so when they are still
reasonably fresh in my mind, I can pick up the story quite adequately
with some reminder of old context posted above (with suitable
snipping) and new context bottom posted. In contrast, if I am playing
catch up with several week's worth of messages and multiple threads
(as I am with other threads at the moment), I have a lengthy session
where I know the content of the preceding message in the thread
because I have read it from the beginning of the thread 30 secs
earlier and it is tedious to scroll down to find the added new
comments. I have come to the conclusion that I will accept any method
of reading posts in this newsgroup in order to make sure that I don't
miss out on the intrigue, the scandal, the conflict going on, as well
as updated news about old friends, and of course ... occasionally new
tips about gardening!

(;-)
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Old 28-08-2004, 07:42 AM
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You failed to understand what I wrote. The claim must include the
value of the tree BEFORE the accident. That is exactly how a claim
in an automobile collision would be settled if the victim's vehicle
were totalled; he would get what the car was worth before the
accident, not what a new car would cost.


I've always seen them handled as the cost of a replacement. That may (or
may not) be the value of the car before the accident.

steve


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Old 28-08-2004, 08:00 AM
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I've often been guilty of top-posting, but usually in response to a single
sentence or paragraph query. Although I've admitted guilt, I don't feel
guilty, which, as a lapsed Catholic, is the only moral aspect I care
about....lol
"S. M. Henning" wrote in message trim, trim, trim!!!



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Old 28-08-2004, 09:52 AM
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I presume that all this wrangling over top/bottom posting is to give the
tree time to either recover or die.
Or are you all hoping there will be a reply from the insurance company in
the mean time?

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Old 28-08-2004, 05:07 PM
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I cut out the intervening comments, almost always they are covered in later comments.

sometimes I cut out the "who wrote" so the wrong person isnt credited with others
comments.
ascribing motives to others is pointless to any discussion. motives are unknowable.

Ingrid

"Warren" wrote:
Now you see, without a lot of rearranging, I can't include the comments
that lead up to yours.
Top posting is rude.

self-centered



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Old 28-08-2004, 05:09 PM
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I have an advanced mouse with cut and paste ability and a wheel and it doesnt work
equally well in all applications. after scrolling down 50 posts I begin to get
repetitive motion pain. then I start deleting those posts. Ingrid

"S. M. Henning" wrote:

wrote:

trimming is not a universal practice, ...


But is should be. I have seen email messages with a half-dozen others
included.

what is most time consuming is rolling all the way down ...


What is slick is a mouse with a thumbwheel on it. Then you can scroll
up and down in a fraction of a second. No time is consumed.




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Old 28-08-2004, 05:11 PM
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well shoot, why didnt somebody tell me that before!!! way cool. doesnt change my
feeling about bottom vs top posting tho. I will be scrolling down your posts of
course. Ingrid

"Vox Humana" wrote:


"S. M. Henning" wrote in message
news
wrote:

trimming is not a universal practice, ...


But is should be. I have seen email messages with a half-dozen others
included.

what is most time consuming is rolling all the way down ...


What is slick is a mouse with a thumbwheel on it. Then you can scroll
up and down in a fraction of a second. No time is consumed.


You can also page-down by hitting the space bar.




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Old 28-08-2004, 07:44 PM
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zxcvbob expounded:

You can go straight to the bottom with the END key. (may vary depending
on your news reader)


Or Control-End, if just the End key doesn't do it. Control-Home, too,
to get to the top. That works in most any window in any program,
including browsers.
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