Electric Fence Recommendations
 

I'm about to start digging a new vegetable garden, and I'm sure the deer
will arrive for a late night snack about 20 minutes after I'm done. So, I'm
entertaining the though of running an electric fence around the plot. I'm
interested in opinions from anyone who's either been satisfied with a
specific brand or catalog offering, or totally disgusted (so I can avoid
that one). Positive recommendations should refer to units sold in the U.S.
-Doug

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:10:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

I'm about to start digging a new vegetable garden, and I'm sure the deer
will arrive for a late night snack about 20 minutes after I'm done. So, I'm
entertaining the though of running an electric fence around the plot. I'm
interested in opinions from anyone who's either been satisfied with a
specific brand or catalog offering, or totally disgusted (so I can avoid
that one). Positive recommendations should refer to units sold in the U.S.
-Doug



I can't recommend a specific brand, but be sure to get the electric fencing
that is the inch or so wide plastic with wires running through it, not just
single strand wire. We use a lot of electric fencing for our cattle, and the
deer seem to have problems seeing plain wire and will run right through a
fence. We hang plastic bags on the wire so the deer will see it and jump over
instead of running through and tearing down the fence. It works, but doesn't
look as nice as the wide fencing. That brings up another point - deer will
jump over, crawl under, and slide through a fence, so you'll want to be sure
to have strands high, low, and through the middle if you'll be planting deer
delicacies.

HTH,
Lisa M.
Life is what we make it, always has been, always will be. - Grandma Moses

Doug Kanter wrote:
I'm about to start digging a new vegetable garden, and I'm sure the deer
will arrive for a late night snack about 20 minutes after I'm done. So, I'm
entertaining the though of running an electric fence around the plot. I'm
interested in opinions from anyone who's either been satisfied with a
specific brand or catalog offering, or totally disgusted (so I can avoid
that one). Positive recommendations should refer to units sold in the U.S.
-Doug




The first thing that you need to do is to check with the
local (city or county) authorities to make sure that they
are permitted in your area. When I stated checking around
here I was amazed how many areas now prohibit them (even
though the area is rural).
--
Bill R. (Ohio Valley, U.S.A)

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Lisa M. wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:10:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


I'm about to start digging a new vegetable garden, and I'm sure the deer
will arrive for a late night snack about 20 minutes after I'm done. So, I'm
entertaining the though of running an electric fence around the plot. I'm
interested in opinions from anyone who's either been satisfied with a
specific brand or catalog offering, or totally disgusted (so I can avoid
that one). Positive recommendations should refer to units sold in the U.S.
-Doug



I have a Red Snap'r model 66 and I've been happy with it.

Bob

"Lisa M." wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:10:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

I'm about to start digging a new vegetable garden, and I'm sure the deer
will arrive for a late night snack about 20 minutes after I'm done. So,
I'm
entertaining the though of running an electric fence around the plot. I'm
interested in opinions from anyone who's either been satisfied with a
specific brand or catalog offering, or totally disgusted (so I can avoid
that one). Positive recommendations should refer to units sold in the
U.S.
-Doug



I can't recommend a specific brand, but be sure to get the electric
fencing
that is the inch or so wide plastic with wires running through it, not
just
single strand wire. We use a lot of electric fencing for our cattle, and
the
deer seem to have problems seeing plain wire and will run right through a
fence. We hang plastic bags on the wire so the deer will see it and jump
over
instead of running through and tearing down the fence. It works, but
doesn't
look as nice as the wide fencing. That brings up another point - deer
will
jump over, crawl under, and slide through a fence, so you'll want to be
sure
to have strands high, low, and through the middle if you'll be planting
deer
delicacies.

Oh swell. This is gonna be more intricate than I thought! I'd like to take
the easy way out. I found out yesterday that I could probably get a variance
for an 8 foot chain link fence, but they're so damned ugly.

I think they have motion detectors for gardens that kick on the garden hose
to keep the critters away. If no water is available, maybe a jury rigged
solution of something else connected to it.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I'm about to start digging a new vegetable garden, and I'm sure the deer
will arrive for a late night snack about 20 minutes after I'm done. So,
I'm
entertaining the though of running an electric fence around the plot. I'm
interested in opinions from anyone who's either been satisfied with a
specific brand or catalog offering, or totally disgusted (so I can avoid
that one). Positive recommendations should refer to units sold in the U.S.
-Doug

First of all, I understand animals quickly get used to being sprayed, and
begin laughing at it. Second, I have no interest in spraying animals with a
"solution of something else" which might harm them. Except dogs, of course.

"James" wrote in message
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I think they have motion detectors for gardens that kick on the garden
hose
to keep the critters away. If no water is available, maybe a jury rigged
solution of something else connected to it.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I'm about to start digging a new vegetable garden, and I'm sure the deer
will arrive for a late night snack about 20 minutes after I'm done. So,
I'm
entertaining the though of running an electric fence around the plot.
I'm
interested in opinions from anyone who's either been satisfied with a
specific brand or catalog offering, or totally disgusted (so I can avoid
that one). Positive recommendations should refer to units sold in the
U.S.
-Doug

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or where deer pressure is lower:
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"Anonny Moose" wrote in message
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Where deer pressure is high:

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or where deer pressure is lower:

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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:10:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

I'm about to start digging a new vegetable garden, and I'm sure the deer
will arrive for a late night snack about 20 minutes after I'm done. So, I'm
entertaining the though of running an electric fence around the plot. I'm
interested in opinions from anyone who's either been satisfied with a
specific brand or catalog offering, or totally disgusted (so I can avoid
that one). Positive recommendations should refer to units sold in the U.S.
-Doug



My garden electric fence is over 10 years old and still works well. I
had to replace the wire this year, but the solar plate and battery are
still going strong. I bought it at a farmer's co-op. It is designed
for cattle. About $100.

Doug Kanter said:

I'm about to start digging a new vegetable garden, and I'm sure the deer
will arrive for a late night snack about 20 minutes after I'm done. So, I'm
entertaining the though of running an electric fence around the plot. I'm
interested in opinions from anyone who's either been satisfied with a
specific brand or catalog offering, or totally disgusted (so I can avoid
that one). Positive recommendations should refer to units sold in the U.S.

I've ordered stuff from Kencove (http://www.kencove.com/).

I use a Stafix charger. I use it with two hot strands on top of a 4 foot fence
to keep racoons and groundhogs from going over. (We once saw deer right
across the street but haven't had them in our yard, so far as I know.)

For deer you'd probably want more strands or even flat bands.

--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)

To protect against rabbits and deer, go with the fence (wooden or rabbit fencing
which "disappears" nicely when backed by shrubs) on the bottom and put the wires
above. We havent done electric fencing around my mothers property because of the
bitch next door who would probably run off screaming to the city so we used bird
netting and laid down that green vinyl covered square open wire fencing on the
outside. Deer dont like the feel of something coming up around their feet or legs.
we bend it to have a curve and use "earth stakes" to keep it down in place.
along the road deer were coming thru the fencing breaking it so we hammered in 10
foot conduit in an X in those spots and they have left the fence along there.
it is very true that deer dont have 3D and are wary about jumping a double fence.
Ingrid

(Pat Kiewicz) wrote:
.. I use it with two hot strands on top of a 4 foot fence
to keep racoons and groundhogs from going over. (We once saw deer right
across the street but haven't had them in our yard, so far as I know.)

For deer you'd probably want more strands or even flat bands.



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Bill R said;

The first thing that you need to do is to check with the
local (city or county) authorities to make sure that they
are permitted in your area. When I stated checking around
here I was amazed how many areas now prohibit them (even
though the area is rural).

Interesting, and that is the very reason I didn't check the rules. Someone
would have to come onto my property to know that I had one, and I figure it is
no one's business.

As far as brands: I have a small unit K.9. Brand around my vegetable garten and
a Big unit from TSC that protects a large flower and shade garden area.
Contrary to what others have recommended, I use a single strand of wire at
about 2.5 to 3 foot high (nose height). The deer have been leaving our stuff
alone for about 2 years now. They do occasionaly crash through and nock down
the fence and the next day, I just put it back up.


Dave
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"DavesVideo" wrote in message
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Bill R said;

The first thing that you need to do is to check with the
local (city or county) authorities to make sure that they
are permitted in your area. When I stated checking around
here I was amazed how many areas now prohibit them (even
though the area is rural).

Interesting, and that is the very reason I didn't check the rules. Someone
would have to come onto my property to know that I had one, and I figure
it is
no one's business.

As far as brands: I have a small unit K.9. Brand around my vegetable
garten and
a Big unit from TSC that protects a large flower and shade garden area.
Contrary to what others have recommended, I use a single strand of wire at
about 2.5 to 3 foot high (nose height). The deer have been leaving our
stuff
alone for about 2 years now. They do occasionaly crash through and nock
down
the fence and the next day, I just put it back up.


Dave
http://members.tripod.com/~VideoDave

That's sort of what I was thinking: Don't ask, don't tell. Besides, the
neighbors who've been here for 20+ years say they've never seen deer during
the hours when kids would be out playing and might approach the garden. So,
I thought I'd probably put the electric fence on a timer. I understand that
the fence is unlikely to harm a person, but tell that to a mommy. If I can
point to a timer, all should be peaceful.

Doug Kanter said:

neighbors who've been here for 20+ years say they've never seen deer during
the hours when kids would be out playing and might approach the garden. So,
I thought I'd probably put the electric fence on a timer. I understand that
the fence is unlikely to harm a person

I wouldn’t wory about those kids unless one of them has a pacemaker. My
small unit runs at 1000 Volts and the big one at 5000, but the current is
miniscule. Touching the fence is about equivalent to the shock you get when you
scuff your feet on a rug. That static electricity jolt, by-the-way is about
50,000 volts, but the only way you can get hurt is if you happen to be picking
up a gas can.

Dave
http://members.tripod.com/~VideoDave

"DavesVideo" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter said:

neighbors who've been here for 20+ years say they've never seen deer
during
the hours when kids would be out playing and might approach the garden.
So,
I thought I'd probably put the electric fence on a timer. I understand
that
the fence is unlikely to harm a person

I wouldn't wory about those kids unless one of them has a pacemaker.
My
small unit runs at 1000 Volts and the big one at 5000, but the current is
miniscule. Touching the fence is about equivalent to the shock you get
when you
scuff your feet on a rug. That static electricity jolt, by-the-way is
about
50,000 volts, but the only way you can get hurt is if you happen to be
picking
up a gas can.

Dave
http://members.tripod.com/~VideoDave

Yeah....I know. But, there are people who have built lives around refusing
to learn. Given a choice between a 20 minute pointless conversation, and
spending $20 on a timer, I'll go for the timer. :-)

Another example: When I got my pistol permit, my ex wife kept crabbing about
"What if the gun goes off by itself?" (when my son's at my house). I told
her the holster completely covered the trigger, and that the gun was in a
locked metal box. "Well....if it goes off by itself, won't the bullet go
through the box?" Told her it was unloaded when locked up. "What if you
leave a round in the chamber". Told her "I check it twice, in case I'm
tired". "Do kid's name and his friends know where the key is???" Told her
"Of course. How can they play with the gun if they can't get it out of the
box???" That usually has the same effect as the timer for the electric
fence. End of silly conversation. :-)

DavesVideo wrote:

Doug Kanter said:

neighbors who've been here for 20+ years say they've never seen deer during
the hours when kids would be out playing and might approach the garden. So,
I thought I'd probably put the electric fence on a timer. I understand that
the fence is unlikely to harm a person

I wouldn’t wory about those kids unless one of them has a pacemaker. My
small unit runs at 1000 Volts and the big one at 5000, but the current is
miniscule. Touching the fence is about equivalent to the shock you get when you
scuff your feet on a rug. That static electricity jolt, by-the-way is about
50,000 volts, but the only way you can get hurt is if you happen to be picking
up a gas can.

Dave
http://members.tripod.com/~VideoDave


Have you touched the fence, or assume it's like a static shock?
My fencer zaps like touching the sparkplug on a mower or chain saw.
Maybe worse. I don't run it very much of the time.

Best regards,
Bob

Have you touched the fence, or assume it's like a static shock?
My fencer zaps like touching the sparkplug on a mower or chain saw.

From time to time I touch it by accident. You are right, it is a bit more
than a static shock, because that lasts for a tiny fraction of a second, while
the fence is a sustained current. It still is not enough to do any harm, but
I'm not sure if it could effect a pacemaker. I don't think any of the kids or
deer for that matter have one. :-)


Dave
http://members.tripod.com/~VideoDave

"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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That's sort of what I was thinking: Don't ask, don't tell.
Besides, the neighbors who've been here for 20+ years say
they've never seen deer during the hours when kids would be
out playing and might approach the garden. So, I thought
I'd probably put the electric fence on a timer. I
understand that the fence is unlikely to harm a person, but
tell that to a mommy. If I can point to a timer, all should
be peaceful.

the only way a properly installed electric fence could really
hurt a person is if they had a mechanical pacemaker. we have
electric stock fence on one minute pulse (i went 2 years
before i got a shock & then it was because we had a faulty
ground & the gate got charged. i was barefoot...). Tom hit the
hot wire with his forehead bending over to pick up a rock &
saw some pretty good stars & my 4 year old hit the fence with
his umbrella Saturday. it scared him more than hurt.
yeah, a timer should solve your nanny city problem though.
lee

--
It is paradoxical that many educators and parents still
differentiate
between a time for learning and a time for play without seeing
the vital
connection between them. -Leo Buscaglia, author (1924-1998)

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
I'm about to start digging a new vegetable garden, and I'm sure the deer
will arrive for a late night snack about 20 minutes after I'm done. So, I'm
entertaining the though of running an electric fence around the plot. I'm
interested in opinions from anyone who's either been satisfied with a
specific brand or catalog offering, or totally disgusted (so I can avoid
that one). Positive recommendations should refer to units sold in the U.S.
-Doug

I run 4 strands, 6", 2', 4', and 6'. Chargers come "continuous" or
"pulsed". I use a pulsed one for safety reasons - the current is off
long enough for you to get loose from it if needed. One of the old
tricks is cutting strips of tin foil, clothes pinning them to the hot
wire, and rubbing peanut butter on them. A deer or other animal needs
only one shock to the tongue to learn to stay away.
I have lots of deer on my property, but they have learned to stay out
of the garden. Haven't had one in there in years now.

Bob S.

Will this type of fence out woodchuckS?

Rich
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I'm about to start digging a new vegetable garden, and I'm sure the deer
will arrive for a late night snack about 20 minutes after I'm done. So,
I'm
entertaining the though of running an electric fence around the plot. I'm
interested in opinions from anyone who's either been satisfied with a
specific brand or catalog offering, or totally disgusted (so I can avoid
that one). Positive recommendations should refer to units sold in the
U.S.
-Doug

I run 4 strands, 6", 2', 4', and 6'. Chargers come "continuous" or
"pulsed". I use a pulsed one for safety reasons - the current is off
long enough for you to get loose from it if needed. One of the old
tricks is cutting strips of tin foil, clothes pinning them to the hot
wire, and rubbing peanut butter on them. A deer or other animal needs
only one shock to the tongue to learn to stay away.
I have lots of deer on my property, but they have learned to stay out
of the garden. Haven't had one in there in years now.

Bob S.

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Will this type of fence out woodchuckS?

Don't they eat bugs & slugs?

"Doug Kanter" wrote:

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Will this type of fence out woodchuckS?

Don't they eat bugs & slugs?


I though they were vegans. But even if they eat bugs [nothing eats
slugs, do they?], they also enjoy cucumber vines, pepper plants,
zucchini, beans, peas & most every other vegetable you might try to
grow.

Jim

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"Doug Kanter" wrote:

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Will this type of fence out woodchuckS?

Don't they eat bugs & slugs?


I though they were vegans. But even if they eat bugs [nothing eats
slugs, do they?], they also enjoy cucumber vines, pepper plants,
zucchini, beans, peas & most every other vegetable you might try to
grow.

Jim

OK....so THAT'S why the varmint industry exists (rifles & ammo of certain
types), and farmers make it a sport to assassinate woodchucks!

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"Doug Kanter" wrote:

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Will this type of fence out woodchuckS?

Don't they eat bugs & slugs?

I though they were vegans. But even if they eat bugs
[nothing eats slugs, do they?], they also enjoy cucumber
vines, pepper plants, zucchini, beans, peas & most every
other vegetable you might try to grow.

OK....so THAT'S why the varmint industry exists (rifles &
ammo of certain types), and farmers make it a sport to
assassinate woodchucks!

yeah, that & the big holes they dig in the pastures that
livestock can break thier legs in...
would you rather shoot the woodchuck or your prize filly?
lee
BTW, an electric fence won't keep a woodchuck out of the
garden. they'll just tunnel under it. and geese will sometimes
eat slugs...

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Richard Schopps" wrote in
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Will this type of fence out woodchuckS?

Don't they eat bugs & slugs?

I though they were vegans. But even if they eat bugs
[nothing eats slugs, do they?], they also enjoy cucumber
vines, pepper plants, zucchini, beans, peas & most every
other vegetable you might try to grow.

OK....so THAT'S why the varmint industry exists (rifles &
ammo of certain types), and farmers make it a sport to
assassinate woodchucks!

yeah, that & the big holes they dig in the pastures that
livestock can break thier legs in...
would you rather shoot the woodchuck or your prize filly?
lee
BTW, an electric fence won't keep a woodchuck out of the
garden. they'll just tunnel under it. and geese will sometimes
eat slugs...

I'd rather shoot the woodchuck, particularly since I have a recipe for them.
And geese....I'd strangle them with my bare hands, if necessary. Any
creature that makes turds which blend into the grass is pure evil.

where can i get a bullet proofs frence

"Richard Schopps" wrote in message et...
Will this type of fence out woodchuckS?

Rich

That's why the lower strand is at 6 inches - to keep the smaller
critters out. Haven't found anything to keep the squirrels out of the
corn though.

Bob S.

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Will this type of fence out woodchuckS?

Rich

That's why the lower strand is at 6 inches - to keep the smaller
critters out. Haven't found anything to keep the squirrels out of the
corn though.

Bob S.

Havahart traps? And/or: In James Crockett's book, he suggests covering the
ears with paper bags after the silks have begun to brown. He says this will
keep out crows. No idea if perhaps some variation on this might work with
squirrels. Perhaps paper bags smeared with Elmer's glue and sprinkled with
cayenne pepper?

Bob S. said:

That's why the lower strand is at 6 inches - to keep the smaller
critters out. Haven't found anything to keep the squirrels out of the
corn though.

A fence with a small mesh that's topped with a couple of electric wires
will keep out fox squirrels. Small heavy-duty paper bags will ward off
birds. I've notice the local squirrels will always go over or under a fence
in preference to going through it -- even the small red squirrels which
you'd think should be able to slip through.

(Advice from experience: don't cheap out on the paper bags.)
--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)

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Will this type of fence out woodchuckS?

Rich

That's why the lower strand is at 6 inches - to keep the smaller
critters out. Haven't found anything to keep the squirrels out of the
corn though.

Bob S.

Havahart traps? And/or: In James Crockett's book, he suggests covering the
ears with paper bags after the silks have begun to brown. He says this will
keep out crows. No idea if perhaps some variation on this might work with
squirrels. Perhaps paper bags smeared with Elmer's glue and sprinkled with
cayenne pepper?

When they have their goal set on fresh corn it's almost impossible to
get them in a trap. Also, I average about 1000 corn stalks and that'll
take a *lot* of bags. You would think that many would be enough to
share with the squirrels, but the little hogs ruin much more than they
actually eat. Coons used to be a problem but the electric fence has
deterred them.

"Bob S." wrote in message
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"Richard Schopps" wrote in message
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Will this type of fence out woodchuckS?

Rich

That's why the lower strand is at 6 inches - to keep the smaller
critters out. Haven't found anything to keep the squirrels out of the
corn though.

Bob S.

Havahart traps? And/or: In James Crockett's book, he suggests covering
the
ears with paper bags after the silks have begun to brown. He says this
will
keep out crows. No idea if perhaps some variation on this might work
with
squirrels. Perhaps paper bags smeared with Elmer's glue and sprinkled
with
cayenne pepper?

When they have their goal set on fresh corn it's almost impossible to
get them in a trap. Also, I average about 1000 corn stalks and that'll
take a *lot* of bags. You would think that many would be enough to
share with the squirrels, but the little hogs ruin much more than they
actually eat. Coons used to be a problem but the electric fence has
deterred them.

In that case, you need a stupid cat. Mine used to chase any squirrel that
entered the yard, even though she once got ripped up pretty badly by one of
the lawn rats. :-) She never wrestled one again, just chased them.

Doug Kanter said:

he suggests covering the
ears with paper bags after the silks have begun to brown. He says this will
keep out crows. No idea if perhaps some variation on this might work with
squirrels

But you have to catch the little buggers before you can cover their ears
with paper bags.


Dave
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