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Old 12-01-2005, 02:31 PM
Michelle C
 
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I decided to post this in a new thread because I didn't want it to get lost
in the old one.

This will be my last post on the subject, and I just wanted to thank
everyone for responding.

I have limited experience with neighbors, as I lived at my parents home
until I was in my mid-20s, and at my new home ever since. My parents had teh
same neighbors throughout those 20+ years, and they were all very
easy-going. They would never object to vines infringing on their property.
(They were also avid gardeners).

Likewise, my neighbors at my new home have been the same people until these
new neighbors moved in four years ago. The previous neighbors - and the ones
who border the other sides of my property were also very easy-going and
would not object to such a thing. (In fact, one of them has vines growing on
*my* chain link fence that we share, and I gladly trim them when required.)

Anyway, I guess it is my limited experience with neighbors that led me to
believe that these new neighbors would not object to the vines, and made me
consider them to be unreasonable in their stance.

I believe most people agreed with me that the neighbors are over-reacting,
but the other side has been well-represented too. Enough people wrote in to
defend my neighbors' point of view that I have to reconsider their
'crankness' as being a bit more 'normal' than I originally thought. Thanks
to those who presented the opposing view, as it was a learning experience
for me.

I will trim the vines for the neighbors, and if they have any more
objections, I will take them down. But at that point I will reconsider my
friendliness with them, and keep them at arms-length. It is still my opinion
that friends should be a bit more accomodating. If they prefer to be
neighbors instead of friends, so be it.

Thanks again for all your responses. I have learned a lot from all of you.

Michelle

PS - You've got to admit that this topic sparked a lot of participation and
some interesting debate! ;-)



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Old 12-01-2005, 03:35 PM
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It could always be worse. For 18 years, I lived across the street from a
family of morons who honked their car horns whenever the left or came home.
The time of day was no issue, either. 2:00 AM, 7:00 AM....didn't matter. You
can steal my car, but wake me up for stupid reasons and there will be
trouble. Tried talking to them politely a couple of times. In both
instances, I was told that "my father did it, and we like to do it, too. Get
over it." The cops were no help, even when it was explained to them that the
noise was, at times, a violation of noise ordinances. After 5 go-arounds
with the cops, I went so far as to ask the police chief how much he was
being paid to ignore the situation. He found that question distasteful, but
refused to explain why nothing was done. It was never resolved.


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Old 12-01-2005, 05:35 PM
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"Michelle C" wrote in message
...
I decided to post this in a new thread because I didn't want it to get

lost
in the old one.

This will be my last post on the subject, and I just wanted to thank
everyone for responding.

I have limited experience with neighbors, as I lived at my parents home
until I was in my mid-20s, and at my new home ever since. My parents had

teh
same neighbors throughout those 20+ years, and they were all very
easy-going. They would never object to vines infringing on their property.
(They were also avid gardeners).

Likewise, my neighbors at my new home have been the same people until

these
new neighbors moved in four years ago. The previous neighbors - and the

ones
who border the other sides of my property were also very easy-going and
would not object to such a thing. (In fact, one of them has vines growing

on
*my* chain link fence that we share, and I gladly trim them when

required.)

Anyway, I guess it is my limited experience with neighbors that led me to
believe that these new neighbors would not object to the vines, and made

me
consider them to be unreasonable in their stance.

I believe most people agreed with me that the neighbors are over-reacting,
but the other side has been well-represented too. Enough people wrote in

to
defend my neighbors' point of view that I have to reconsider their
'crankness' as being a bit more 'normal' than I originally thought. Thanks
to those who presented the opposing view, as it was a learning experience
for me.

I will trim the vines for the neighbors, and if they have any more
objections, I will take them down. But at that point I will reconsider my
friendliness with them, and keep them at arms-length. It is still my

opinion
that friends should be a bit more accomodating. If they prefer to be
neighbors instead of friends, so be it.

Thanks again for all your responses. I have learned a lot from all of

you.

Michelle

PS - You've got to admit that this topic sparked a lot of participation

and
some interesting debate! ;-)


A decent plan. If they demand more and more of this or that, let it go. That
makes it about power, not vines.




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Old 13-01-2005, 04:46 AM
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that's about the time it starts raining brake fluid.

Doug Kanter wrote:

It could always be worse. For 18 years, I lived across the street from a
family of morons who honked their car horns whenever the left or came home.
The time of day was no issue, either. 2:00 AM, 7:00 AM....didn't matter. You
can steal my car, but wake me up for stupid reasons and there will be
trouble. Tried talking to them politely a couple of times. In both
instances, I was told that "my father did it, and we like to do it, too. Get
over it." The cops were no help, even when it was explained to them that the
noise was, at times, a violation of noise ordinances. After 5 go-arounds
with the cops, I went so far as to ask the police chief how much he was
being paid to ignore the situation. He found that question distasteful, but
refused to explain why nothing was done. It was never resolved.


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Old 13-01-2005, 07:15 AM
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Unbelievable how long this thread has gone and sorry to prolong it, but it
brings to mind a similar issue with a neighbor of mine. They planted black
currants not knowing that these plants can cause a disease in
white pines (white pine blister), and possibly take
out my white pine. They claim they got the currants from a friend who says they

are a disease resistant variety, but who knows. If I wait for signs of disease
on my pine tree, it may be too late to save it. Who said gardening was an
uncomplicated and relaxing pastime?
Sherwin D.


Michelle C wrote:

I decided to post this in a new thread because I didn't want it to get lost
in the old one.

This will be my last post on the subject, and I just wanted to thank
everyone for responding.

I have limited experience with neighbors, as I lived at my parents home
until I was in my mid-20s, and at my new home ever since. My parents had teh
same neighbors throughout those 20+ years, and they were all very
easy-going. They would never object to vines infringing on their property.
(They were also avid gardeners).

Likewise, my neighbors at my new home have been the same people until these
new neighbors moved in four years ago. The previous neighbors - and the ones
who border the other sides of my property were also very easy-going and
would not object to such a thing. (In fact, one of them has vines growing on
*my* chain link fence that we share, and I gladly trim them when required.)

Anyway, I guess it is my limited experience with neighbors that led me to
believe that these new neighbors would not object to the vines, and made me
consider them to be unreasonable in their stance.

I believe most people agreed with me that the neighbors are over-reacting,
but the other side has been well-represented too. Enough people wrote in to
defend my neighbors' point of view that I have to reconsider their
'crankness' as being a bit more 'normal' than I originally thought. Thanks
to those who presented the opposing view, as it was a learning experience
for me.

I will trim the vines for the neighbors, and if they have any more
objections, I will take them down. But at that point I will reconsider my
friendliness with them, and keep them at arms-length. It is still my opinion
that friends should be a bit more accomodating. If they prefer to be
neighbors instead of friends, so be it.

Thanks again for all your responses. I have learned a lot from all of you.

Michelle

PS - You've got to admit that this topic sparked a lot of participation and
some interesting debate! ;-)




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Old 13-01-2005, 11:54 AM
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Hypodermic needle, salt water, goodbye currants.

"sherwindu" wrote in message
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Unbelievable how long this thread has gone and sorry to prolong it, but it
brings to mind a similar issue with a neighbor of mine. They planted
black
currants not knowing that these plants can cause a disease in
white pines (white pine blister), and possibly take
out my white pine. They claim they got the currants from a friend who
says they

are a disease resistant variety, but who knows. If I wait for signs of
disease
on my pine tree, it may be too late to save it. Who said gardening was an
uncomplicated and relaxing pastime?
Sherwin D.


Michelle C wrote:

I decided to post this in a new thread because I didn't want it to get
lost
in the old one.

This will be my last post on the subject, and I just wanted to thank
everyone for responding.

I have limited experience with neighbors, as I lived at my parents home
until I was in my mid-20s, and at my new home ever since. My parents had
teh
same neighbors throughout those 20+ years, and they were all very
easy-going. They would never object to vines infringing on their
property.
(They were also avid gardeners).

Likewise, my neighbors at my new home have been the same people until
these
new neighbors moved in four years ago. The previous neighbors - and the
ones
who border the other sides of my property were also very easy-going and
would not object to such a thing. (In fact, one of them has vines growing
on
*my* chain link fence that we share, and I gladly trim them when
required.)

Anyway, I guess it is my limited experience with neighbors that led me to
believe that these new neighbors would not object to the vines, and made
me
consider them to be unreasonable in their stance.

I believe most people agreed with me that the neighbors are
over-reacting,
but the other side has been well-represented too. Enough people wrote in
to
defend my neighbors' point of view that I have to reconsider their
'crankness' as being a bit more 'normal' than I originally thought.
Thanks
to those who presented the opposing view, as it was a learning experience
for me.

I will trim the vines for the neighbors, and if they have any more
objections, I will take them down. But at that point I will reconsider my
friendliness with them, and keep them at arms-length. It is still my
opinion
that friends should be a bit more accomodating. If they prefer to be
neighbors instead of friends, so be it.

Thanks again for all your responses. I have learned a lot from all of
you.

Michelle

PS - You've got to admit that this topic sparked a lot of participation
and
some interesting debate! ;-)




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Old 13-01-2005, 12:47 PM
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The first time I became familiar with rocket propelled grenades was when my
son brought home a video game. I looked out the window and the dreams began.
:-)

"Robert Chambers" wrote in message
m...
that's about the time it starts raining brake fluid.

Doug Kanter wrote:

It could always be worse. For 18 years, I lived across the street from a
family of morons who honked their car horns whenever the left or came
home. The time of day was no issue, either. 2:00 AM, 7:00 AM....didn't
matter. You can steal my car, but wake me up for stupid reasons and there
will be trouble. Tried talking to them politely a couple of times. In
both instances, I was told that "my father did it, and we like to do it,
too. Get over it." The cops were no help, even when it was explained to
them that the noise was, at times, a violation of noise ordinances. After
5 go-arounds with the cops, I went so far as to ask the police chief how
much he was being paid to ignore the situation. He found that question
distasteful, but refused to explain why nothing was done. It was never
resolved.



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Old 13-01-2005, 09:35 PM
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"sherwindu" wrote in message
...
Unbelievable how long this thread has gone and sorry to prolong it, but it
brings to mind a similar issue with a neighbor of mine. They planted

black
currants not knowing that these plants can cause a disease in
white pines (white pine blister), and possibly take
out my white pine. They claim they got the currants from a friend who

says they

are a disease resistant variety, but who knows. If I wait for signs of

disease
on my pine tree, it may be too late to save it. Who said gardening was an
uncomplicated and relaxing pastime?
Sherwin D.


I saw it coming and moved to 10 acres years ago so I can plant pretty much
what I please, pee in the front yard, and generally ignore and chuckle over
suburbian problems. The only problem is that suburbia is catching up to me.
But that 10 acre buffer zone makes a big difference. It was worth the longer
drive to work but it doesn't seem all that long now.




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