South Louisiana...below New Orleans. We had a hard freeze and I lost my
patchouli plant, it seems. Where can I get another? Or seeds..? I've
google and Ebayed. Thanks.
Perry

They are spending fourty million dollars for Dubya's inaugural balls? That
leaves absolutely no doubt that the republicans have by far the biggest
balls in the country.

Its not as though that money could have better spent on something more
deserving like education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief,
etc. The rich have their priorities.

Cereus-validus... wrote:
They are spending fourty million dollars for Dubya's inaugural balls? That
leaves absolutely no doubt that the republicans have by far the biggest
balls in the country.

Its not as though that money could have better spent on something more
deserving like education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief,
etc. The rich have their priorities.




How much did Carter, G.H.W. Bush, Clinton, or Reagan spend? I think the
inaugural is always a big expensive blow-out, no matter whose balls they
are.

AFAIK, education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief, etc.
are being funded already, and cancelling the inaugural parties would not
make a difference. There's nothing stopping you from writing a big ol'
check and giving it to any one of these causes -- but I guess you have
your priorities.

Best regards,
Bob

Not so Bobo.

You have not been paying attention to the news.

This is by far the most expensive presidential inauguration of all time.
All other previous presidents would have been ashamed to so selfish as to
waste that much money on themselves. Only three million is out of taxpayers
coffers. All the rest is from private donations from the rich and special
interests who want nothing more than favors in return. There is no doubt
that this presidency is for sale and they don't care who knows it.


"zxcvbob" wrote in message
...
Cereus-validus... wrote:
They are spending fourty million dollars for Dubya's inaugural balls?
That leaves absolutely no doubt that the republicans have by far the
biggest balls in the country.

Its not as though that money could have better spent on something more
deserving like education, social security, AIDS research, disaster
relief, etc. The rich have their priorities.


How much did Carter, G.H.W. Bush, Clinton, or Reagan spend? I think the
inaugural is always a big expensive blow-out, no matter whose balls they
are.

AFAIK, education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief, etc.
are being funded already, and cancelling the inaugural parties would not
make a difference. There's nothing stopping you from writing a big ol'
check and giving it to any one of these causes -- but I guess you have
your priorities.

Best regards,
Bob

In article , zxcvbob
wrote:

Cereus-validus... wrote:
They are spending fourty million dollars for Dubya's inaugural balls? That
leaves absolutely no doubt that the republicans have by far the biggest
balls in the country.

Its not as though that money could have better spent on something more
deserving like education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief,
etc. The rich have their priorities.




How much did Carter, G.H.W. Bush, Clinton, or Reagan spend? I think the
inaugural is always a big expensive blow-out, no matter whose balls they
are.

Carter's inauguration cost 3.5 million dollars. Reagan's first
inauguration cost 15 million, his second cost 20 million (& he was the
first second-term president to pay more rather than less for a second
inauguration, since the second was always formerly thought to be a little
redundant). Bush senior had the government dish out 30-million for his one
& only inauguration. Clinton's first inaguration cost 25-million; his
second inaguration cost less. Bushy Junior by comparison has so far spent
45-million for the one-day bash, & the real tally isn't even in, that 45
million is not counting millions more on police & city support that Bush
has said the impoverished city government of D.C. will have to pay for out
of its overburdened taxpayers' pockets.

Bush spent another 21-million dollars paid for by the government under the
category of "Christmas cards" which was actually a federally funded
fundraising campaign for Bush. That was probably illegal but the Democrats
are too wussy to make anything of it, & it passed largely uncriticized.
Bush had to be brow-beaten to promise so much as 15-million to tsunami
victims, but thought nothing of spendinng 21-million for christmas cards.

Second-term presidents never have had expensive inaugural events. Dumbya
needs one because he wasn't elected for his first time, he was essentially
appointed by the supreme court. This has haunted him as one of history's
handful of unelected presidents, & he needs to celebrate getting off that
small list of poor performers. Also, his car was pelted with eggs & he was
booed all along the route to the White House his first time -- he became
the only president in a century who could not make the "inaugural walk" to
the whitehouse because he was so hated & everyone knew he wasn't really
voted in, so he literally had to be slipped in the back door garage. This
time, he has established a no-free-speech zone & only supporters will be
allowed to be in the streets. He'll be able to do the inaugural walk at
last & can pretend for the rest of his life that America loves him since
the Schutzstaffeln SS, er, I mean Secret Service SS can keep him more
tightly protected from any brushes with reality.

It's also the first time costs for the inauguration have been fobbed off
on the city taxpayers of Washington D.C. itself. In the past the cost to
the city government has been reimbursed. This time Bush has instructed
that the city eat the costs, using city funds that had been earmarked for
home-security. THAT one will bite Bush in the butt, but he doesn't care,
he just wants to feel like he's been crowned the King instead of the
lame-duck president or that first-term guy who had to sneak in the back
door to the White House scared of eggs. He'll go down in history alongside
words like "quagmire" & "death-toll," but for this one day in his life he
plans to be presented as Ceasar.

AFAIK, education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief, etc.
are being funded already, and cancelling the inaugural parties would not
make a difference.

Tell that to D.C. city officials who thought they had funds for police
protection & homeland security but were instructed by the feds to spend
that on balloons & blockades & police support & keeping any advocates of
free speech in a big pen far from the inaugural parade & cleaning up the
mess afterward.

There's nothing stopping you from writing a big ol'
check and giving it to any one of these causes -- but I guess you have
your priorities.

Do you mean to imply your priorities are balloons & bleechers &
prohibition of expression of free speech in any location where such
expression might be seen?

-paghat the ratgirl

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"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:56:29 GMT, "Cereus-validus..."
wrote:

Not so Bobo.

You have not been paying attention to the news.

This is by far the most expensive presidential inauguration of all time.
All other previous presidents would have been ashamed to so selfish as to
waste that much money on themselves. Only three million is out of taxpayers
coffers. All the rest is from private donations from the rich and special
interests who want nothing more than favors in return. There is no doubt
that this presidency is for sale and they don't care who knows it.

What message did Clinton send in '93 when he spent ONLY 33 million
dollars on his inauguration? Not exactly being frugal or saving money
for other priorities is it? Was that presidency for sale then too but
just marked down? I guess the 30 mil in '97 was a real bargain.

It's all a needless waste of money as far as I'm concerned. However,
a little accounting shows that this comes out to about 14 cents per
citizen, so its really not all that much to get bent out of shape over
compared to all the other needless waste. You couldn't buy many
Yankees starting pitchers for that kind of money.

Go ahead and single out Bush as your personal anti-christ, but he's no
worse then the others.


"zxcvbob" wrote in message
...
Cereus-validus... wrote:
They are spending fourty million dollars for Dubya's inaugural balls?
That leaves absolutely no doubt that the republicans have by far the
biggest balls in the country.

Its not as though that money could have better spent on something more
deserving like education, social security, AIDS research, disaster
relief, etc. The rich have their priorities.

How much did Carter, G.H.W. Bush, Clinton, or Reagan spend? I think the
inaugural is always a big expensive blow-out, no matter whose balls they
are.

AFAIK, education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief, etc.
are being funded already, and cancelling the inaugural parties would not
make a difference. There's nothing stopping you from writing a big ol'
check and giving it to any one of these causes -- but I guess you have
your priorities.

Best regards,
Bob


Swyck

Whining soreloser, heh.

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/inaug2004/inaugfin.html

paghat wrote:


There's nothing stopping you [Cereus] from writing a big ol'
check and giving it to any one of these causes -- but I guess you have
your priorities.


Do you mean to imply your priorities are balloons & bleechers &
prohibition of expression of free speech in any location where such
expression might be seen?

-paghat the ratgirl


No, I only mean to imply that talk is cheap. It doesn't cost anything
to criticize Bush, and there is nothing stopping Cereus from giving
money to the poor if he is so concerned about them. From what I've read
of his many posts here, I'd presume to say that he couldn't care less
about them.

(A better criticism would be, "Is it appropriate to have such an
over-the-top celebration when there is a war on? Couldn't it be toned
down just a little?)

Let the Republicans have their party, just like the Democrats do when
they get the opportunity. The poor will always be there for you to help
(and have always been there.)

Best regards,
Bob

--
Ecclesiastes 3:4 "A time to weep, And a time to laugh; A time to mourn,
And a time to dance;"

In article , wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:56:29 GMT, "Cereus-validus..."
wrote:

Not so Bobo.

You have not been paying attention to the news.

This is by far the most expensive presidential inauguration of all time.
All other previous presidents would have been ashamed to so selfish as to
waste that much money on themselves. Only three million is out of taxpayers
coffers. All the rest is from private donations from the rich and special
interests who want nothing more than favors in return. There is no doubt
that this presidency is for sale and they don't care who knows it.

What message did Clinton send in '93 when he spent ONLY 33 million
dollars on his inauguration?

Actually, Clinton spent 25 million on his, & that included picking up the
tab for D.C.'s city costs, which Bush is refusing to do with any of his 45
million. But Cllnton's fund-raising to get corporations & lobbyists to pay
for it netted 33 million, so it was a profitable inauguration. The
message, of course, was the same for Clinton as for Bush: The president
can be bought.

This kind of corporate buy-in is bad news for America whether it's done by
a warmongering Republican or a cave-in-to-Republican-demands weak-kneed &
continuously besieged Democrat. Of all things bad that any president has
ever been, Bush is always in-your-face ****-america worse. He acts proud
to be worse even as he arranges for thousands more to die & for his
corporate buddies to continue to profit from human death. He shows neither
shame nor restraint as he laughs & parties on the graves of American as
well as foreign dead.

Bush's inauguration is the first to exclude all common citizens. If you
didn't pay & pay dearly, you can't even be on the street. It's a big party
for corporate interests, not for the sort of common citizens who're
appreciated mainly as cannon fodder.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
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"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
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wrote:

paghat wrote:


There's nothing stopping you [Cereus] from writing a big ol'
check and giving it to any one of these causes -- but I guess you have
your priorities.


Do you mean to imply your priorities are balloons & bleechers &
prohibition of expression of free speech in any location where such
expression might be seen?

-paghat the ratgirl


No, I only mean to imply that talk is cheap.

Actually free speech is a right that has cost many Americans even their
lives. To go hip-hip-hoooray for a President that has criminalized a lot
of free speech through the Patriot Act, & made sure there will be no
expression of free speech in sight of the inauguration, is not simply
trying to destroy something that came cheap.

It doesn't cost anything
to criticize Bush, and there is nothing stopping Cereus from giving
money to the poor if he is so concerned about them.

So, the sacking of America is okay & if anyone doesn't think so, they
should give quarters to a bum. Novel thinking.

From what I've read
of his many posts here, I'd presume to say that he couldn't care less
about them.

I wouldn't know about that one way or another & wouldn't hazard to guess.
But being obnoxious for sport doesn't rule out the possibility of
humanitarian spirit.

(A better criticism would be, "Is it appropriate to have such an
over-the-top celebration when there is a war on? Couldn't it be toned
down just a little?)

That's a side-issue of some significance, sure. The bigger issue is how
much bigger & freewheeling & overt does corporate purchase of the
presidential office have to get before citizens revolt & take back our
government?

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
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"Cereus-validus..." wrote in message
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They are spending fourty million dollars for Dubya's inaugural balls? That
leaves absolutely no doubt that the republicans have by far the biggest
balls in the country.

Its not as though that money could have better spent on something more
deserving like education, social security, AIDS research, disaster relief,
etc. The rich have their priorities.



I've read this whole thread and I see there are many children here posing as
adults. For the Bush haters, rest assured the innaugaration will get almost
no positive coverage and more of the same drivel from the other kids.

Don't blame me. I voted against the Shrub two times and lost. Shame
on the Democratic party for not having a better candidate. The
Tsunami hero, Judd Bush, may be next in the White House? Spend,
spend, spend.

In article , wrote:

Shame
on the Democratic party for not having a better candidate.

Yup.

The
Tsunami hero, Judd Bush, may be next in the White House? Spend,
spend, spend.

I think you've confused Ashley Judd's bush with Jeb Bush. If you're not
confused, then hey, I'm with you, I'd vote for Judd's bush before Jeb any
day.

-paghat the ratgirl

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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:36:33 -0800,
(paghat) wrote:
In article , wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:56:29 GMT, "Cereus-validus..."
wrote:

Not so Bobo.

You have not been paying attention to the news.

This is by far the most expensive presidential inauguration of all time.
All other previous presidents would have been ashamed to so selfish as to
waste that much money on themselves. Only three million is out of taxpayers
coffers. All the rest is from private donations from the rich and special
interests who want nothing more than favors in return. There is no doubt
that this presidency is for sale and they don't care who knows it.

What message did Clinton send in '93 when he spent ONLY 33 million
dollars on his inauguration?

Actually, Clinton spent 25 million on his, & that included picking up the
tab for D.C.'s city costs, which Bush is refusing to do with any of his 45
million. But Cllnton's fund-raising to get corporations & lobbyists to pay
for it netted 33 million, so it was a profitable inauguration. The
message, of course, was the same for Clinton as for Bush: The president
can be bought.

This kind of corporate buy-in is bad news for America whether it's done by
a warmongering Republican or a cave-in-to-Republican-demands weak-kneed &
continuously besieged Democrat. Of all things bad that any president has
ever been, Bush is always in-your-face ****-america worse. He acts proud
to be worse even as he arranges for thousands more to die & for his
corporate buddies to continue to profit from human death. He shows neither
shame nor restraint as he laughs & parties on the graves of American as
well as foreign dead.

If he doesn't think he's wrong then why would he show shame?

Bush's inauguration is the first to exclude all common citizens. If you
didn't pay & pay dearly, you can't even be on the street. It's a big party
for corporate interests, not for the sort of common citizens who're
appreciated mainly as cannon fodder.

-paghat the ratgirl

Well, let em sit in the cold, I didn't want to go anyway.

The real message is to do a better job of choosing candidates. At the
presidential level its already too late. You don't get there unless
you've played the game for years on end.

Swyck

(A better criticism would be, "Is it appropriate to have such an
over-the-top celebration when there is a war on? Couldn't it be toned
down just a little?)

That's a side-issue of some significance, sure. The bigger issue is how
much bigger & freewheeling & overt does corporate purchase of the
presidential office have to get before citizens revolt & take back our
government?

-paghat the ratgirl

The tool to take back the government is available. It's called an
election. No revolt is needed. The real question is how to get more
capable people as candidates, and how to get them elected?

Swyck