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Old 12-05-2005, 12:41 AM
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Is it normal for iris to fall over? I mean the flowers, of course. They
were fine until the flowers came out and then boom, down they went.
Should I tie them up somehow? The flowers are HUGE.

Pat

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Old 12-05-2005, 12:57 AM
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You answered your own question.

Stake the flower stalks if they are top heavy.


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Is it normal for iris to fall over? I mean the flowers, of course. They
were fine until the flowers came out and then boom, down they went. Should
I tie them up somehow? The flowers are HUGE.

Pat



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Old 12-05-2005, 01:22 AM
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Cereus-validus..... wrote:
You answered your own question.

Stake the flower stalks if they are top heavy.


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Is it normal for iris to fall over? I mean the flowers, of course. They
were fine until the flowers came out and then boom, down they went. Should
I tie them up somehow? The flowers are HUGE.

Pat



I was wondering if I "should" stake them up or just let them lay on the
ground. Thanks though.

Pat

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Old 12-05-2005, 03:05 AM
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It's a variety thing. Some have bigger blooms, some have
sturdier stems. It's pretty much your choice - stake 'em,
let 'em lie, plant a sturdier variety...

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Is it normal for iris to fall over? I mean the flowers, of course. They
were fine until the flowers came out and then boom, down they went.
Should I tie them up somehow? The flowers are HUGE.

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Old 12-05-2005, 04:04 AM
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Quoting PatK:
I was wondering if I "should" stake them up or just let them lay on the
ground. Thanks though.


If what you want to know is if it is detrimental to the plants if you
don't stake, the answer is "no". It's up to you (your free time and
personal esthetics) -- personally my garden is too large to bother
with running around to stake individual flowers.



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Old 12-05-2005, 10:59 AM
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You stake the floral stems not the individual flowers, you goof ball.

I hope you wind up running around dodging killer bees for being so obtuse.


"Suze" [email protected]/dot/obvious wrote in message
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Quoting PatK:
I was wondering if I "should" stake them up or just let them lay on the
ground. Thanks though.


If what you want to know is if it is detrimental to the plants if you
don't stake, the answer is "no". It's up to you (your free time and
personal esthetics) -- personally my garden is too large to bother
with running around to stake individual flowers.



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Old 12-05-2005, 07:06 PM
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Maybe they are so limp because they were given too much water and too much
fertilizer?


"PatK" wrote in message
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Ol' Duffer wrote:
It's a variety thing. Some have bigger blooms, some have
sturdier stems. It's pretty much your choice - stake 'em,
let 'em lie, plant a sturdier variety...

In article ,
says...

Is it normal for iris to fall over? I mean the flowers, of course. They
were fine until the flowers came out and then boom, down they went.
Should I tie them up somehow? The flowers are HUGE.


Well, these were some bulbs from my grandmother's house and I didn't want
to plant another variety, I just had these because they reminded me of
her. I don't remember hers falling over. Could it be because I have them
planted under the eave of my house and they're trying to get more sun?

Pat



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Old 13-05-2005, 01:52 AM
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PatK wrote:

Is it normal for iris to fall over? I mean the flowers, of course. They
were fine until the flowers came out and then boom, down they went.
Should I tie them up somehow? The flowers are HUGE.


If these are bearded iris, the stalks may have been chewed by
snails or slugs. In my garden, that is the usual cause for iris
stalks to topple.

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Old 13-05-2005, 02:16 PM
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David Ross wrote:
PatK wrote:

Is it normal for iris to fall over? I mean the flowers, of course. They
were fine until the flowers came out and then boom, down they went.
Should I tie them up somehow? The flowers are HUGE.



If these are bearded iris, the stalks may have been chewed by
snails or slugs. In my garden, that is the usual cause for iris
stalks to topple.


Insufficient watering may make the stems weak. It's internal water
pressure that stiffens them. (Also happens with amaryllis, for example.)

HTH


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Old 13-05-2005, 05:08 PM
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Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
David Ross wrote:

PatK wrote:

Is it normal for iris to fall over? I mean the flowers, of course. They
were fine until the flowers came out and then boom, down they went.
Should I tie them up somehow? The flowers are HUGE.




If these are bearded iris, the stalks may have been chewed by
snails or slugs. In my garden, that is the usual cause for iris
stalks to topple.



Insufficient watering may make the stems weak. It's internal water
pressure that stiffens them. (Also happens with amaryllis, for example.)

HTH


I'd be more inclined to think not enough water, just because they don't
get much where they are. I have to water them myself.

Pat
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Old 13-05-2005, 05:56 PM
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good grief. Go to Lowes or Home Depot or WalMart and get some of those 38c
green flower stakes that you slip a single stem into after you push it into
the ground as deep as you can (they're about two foot long, the larger ones
are longer, almost three foot) and hold them upright. When the flower buds
are all open, snap off the spent part, remove the supports and use again!
Next year, invest in the circle grid you imbed over a clump of plants when
the leaves are just coming up, and they flower stalks will push thru the
square grids and you don't have to worry about individual staking each
stalk.

Irises don't have to be coddled. I've seen clumps of them in abandoned yards
that were full of flowers and no rains for weeks. They're pretty tough.
They're falling over because the flowerheads are just large. Don't be
tempted to bury them deeper, it will stop them from flowering
altogether.........
madgardener
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Is it normal for iris to fall over? I mean the flowers, of course. They
were fine until the flowers came out and then boom, down they went.
Should I tie them up somehow? The flowers are HUGE.

Pat



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Old 13-05-2005, 06:29 PM
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In article , PatK
wrote:

Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
David Ross wrote:

PatK wrote:

Is it normal for iris to fall over? I mean the flowers, of course. They
were fine until the flowers came out and then boom, down they went.
Should I tie them up somehow? The flowers are HUGE.



If these are bearded iris, the stalks may have been chewed by
snails or slugs. In my garden, that is the usual cause for iris
stalks to topple.



Insufficient watering may make the stems weak. It's internal water
pressure that stiffens them. (Also happens with amaryllis, for example.)

HTH


I'd be more inclined to think not enough water, just because they don't
get much where they are. I have to water them myself.

Pat


The slug guess is often the problem when irises fall entirely to the
ground. Even quite small slugs can damage stems. It should be easy to
tell, at the point where the stalk bends & topples there'll be some
chew-marks revealing where the outer wall of the stalk was weakened.
Sluggo is a non-toxic slug control that so far as the plants are concerned
is fertilizer, but it makes slugs & snails slime themselves to death.

If there is no evidence of having had the stalk chewed, & especially if
the irises in question are the biggest fanciest bearded irises on
three-foot-tall stalks, or of the varieties that produce a dozen flowers
on one stalk -- too many of these have been bred for amazing flowers
without sufficient attention to strength of stem. They are frequently top
heavy & the first rainy day adds still more weight to big blooms, or a
windy day, down they go. Those with less sun are even more prone to
lodging.

Such irises indeed need staking, or can be wired together as a lot if its
a large clump. Most of the less ultra-fancy irises will never "lodge" or
fall down, although a few of the species irises like gladwyns just
naturally flop partway.

Other causes of weak stems & lodging is an overcrowded clump that has
depleted its own soil, too little sun, too much water, or very poor soil.
Division & replanting after the soil is enriched with compost, in a
sunnier spot, might fix it if these have been factors.

But for many tall irises wind & rain is all it takes & there's no avoiding
staking; or grow different varieties that are resistant to lodging, or
which are comparatively short. Also since irises are shortlived blooms
even when all goes well, the tippier ones can just be taken for bouquets,
they'll last just as long in vases.

If the leaves also fall over then the problem is "soft rot" caused by a
bacteria, usually gets started in overly wet places. If a stalk or leaf
falls loose, give the base a sniff, it'll smell bad if its soft-rot. This
requires the rhizomes to be dug up, all the rotten bits cut out of it, the
rest dipped in bleach or dusted with Comet, & replanted where they won't
be so wet & nowhere near their previous location which'll still have the
same horrid bacteria in the soil.

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If they feed the Iris something that's high in "N" that could weaken the
stalk too. I live in the High Mojave Desert and have close to 300 iris and
we had more than our share of rain this year, to the point of them standing
in water for some days and only a few stalks where snaped over in the 45 to
60mph winds we had on some days while the iris where blooming.

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In article , PatK
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The slug guess is often the problem when irises fall entirely to the
ground. Even quite small slugs can damage stems. It should be easy to
tell, at the point where the stalk bends & topples there'll be some
chew-marks revealing where the outer wall of the stalk was weakened.
Sluggo is a non-toxic slug control that so far as the plants are concerned
is fertilizer, but it makes slugs & snails slime themselves to death.



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Starlord wrote:
If they feed the Iris something that's high in "N" that could weaken the
stalk too. I live in the High Mojave Desert and have close to 300 iris and
we had more than our share of rain this year, to the point of them standing
in water for some days and only a few stalks where snaped over in the 45 to
60mph winds we had on some days while the iris where blooming.

"paghat" wrote in message
news
In article , PatK
wrote:


The slug guess is often the problem when irises fall entirely to the
ground. Even quite small slugs can damage stems. It should be easy to
tell, at the point where the stalk bends & topples there'll be some
chew-marks revealing where the outer wall of the stalk was weakened.
Sluggo is a non-toxic slug control that so far as the plants are concerned
is fertilizer, but it makes slugs & snails slime themselves to death.


I'm thinking it's more the size of the blooms than anything. They are
really big and the stems are at least 3 feet long and a bit thin. They
stand up find until the actual flower comes out and then they fall over.
I'll try staking them. This is pretty much the first year they've
bloomed with more than one or two flowers and I've had them for about
five years. Oh and, there's no sign of any kind of rot or slugs or
anything that I can see.

Pat


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