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Old 22-07-2005, 04:01 AM
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Default Wanting to redo my butterfly garden..can I dig up Cannas now?

I've decided to redo the butterfly garden, but I don't want to kill any
flowers that are growing in it right now. I have Cannas, Daylillies,
Amaryllis, Dianthus, Carnations, and a Butterfly Bush in it right now. The
Canna, Dianthus, Carnation, and butterfly bush are the only things blooming
right now. Can I safely dig them up and transplant them somewhere else? Or
should I wait until Fall when they are no longer blooming?

Thanks!
Angie



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Old 22-07-2005, 09:10 AM
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junkyardcat wrote:
I've decided to redo the butterfly garden, but I don't want to kill
any flowers that are growing in it right now. I have Cannas,
Daylillies, Amaryllis, Dianthus, Carnations, and a Butterfly Bush
in it right now. The Canna, Dianthus, Carnation, and butterfly bush
are the only things blooming right now. Can I safely dig them up
and transplant them somewhere else? Or should I wait until Fall
when they are no longer blooming?

Thanks!
Angie


Wait.

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Old 22-07-2005, 03:14 PM
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"junkyardcat" wrote in message
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I've decided to redo the butterfly garden, but I don't want to kill any
flowers that are growing in it right now. I have Cannas, Daylillies,
Amaryllis, Dianthus, Carnations, and a Butterfly Bush in it right now. The
Canna, Dianthus, Carnation, and butterfly bush are the only things
blooming
right now. Can I safely dig them up and transplant them somewhere else? Or
should I wait until Fall when they are no longer blooming?

Thanks!
Angie




I agree with "wait", but if you insist, try to take an enormous amount of
soil without letting it shake off of the roots. This is when it pays to own
a small tarp, so you can slip it under the mass of soil and carry the plant
to its new location. Don't be dumb and try to substitute a plastic trash
bag. Home Depot has tarps.

This is a two person job, by the way.


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Old 22-07-2005, 06:13 PM
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"junkyardcat" wrote in message
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I've decided to redo the butterfly garden, but I don't want to kill any
flowers that are growing in it right now. I have Cannas, Daylillies,
Amaryllis, Dianthus, Carnations, and a Butterfly Bush in it right now. The
Canna, Dianthus, Carnation, and butterfly bush are the only things

blooming
right now. Can I safely dig them up and transplant them somewhere else? Or
should I wait until Fall when they are no longer blooming?


It is up to you. Cannas are almost impossible to kill. In tropical areas
they will grow all year, but tend to go dormant in the dry season. I have
moved them in the summer without a problem. You can try moving them intact
with a large soil mass, but I think that is far too much work. If it were
me, I would cut them to the ground, dig the rhizomes, divide, discard any
dead portions, and replant them. The new eyes should immediately start
sending up new foliage. It will probably take 60 days for new flowers.


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Old 22-07-2005, 10:24 PM
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Move the cannas now if you like. I've moved cannas in the heat several
times. Don't worry about keeping dirt around the roots when you move them.
Cut off the top growth. Also, you can use this as an opportunity to divide
the rhizomes if you want to. As long as you keep them well-watered until
they settle into their new location, they'll do fine.

I've also moved amaryllis in the heat, earlier this summer, in fact. (It
wasn't my choice to move them during the summer; they were my mother's and
their move was necessitated by some other work she was having done at her
house.) They survived the move, but some of them temporarily went dormant -
from having their roots disturbed, I guess. They've all resprouted and are
growing; hopefully they will have fully replenished their reserves before
they go dormant this fall. I am anxiously awaiting next spring to see if
they have the energy to bloom well - or at all.

If you decide to move the amaryllis now, be really careful to keep most of
the roots and soil surrounding them intact (they have a very large root
system when they are in active growth), and maintain regular watering until
you're sure they've recovered from the move. Also, I learned that the leaves
are surprisingly easy to break - be careful handling them.

If possible, though, I'd wait until they go dormant this fall to move them.
It'll be a lot easier to move the bulbs without worrying about the leaves or
root system. When they are dormant, you can also safely remove any daughter
bulbs from the main bulbs and plant them separately - bingo, more amaryllis!
Also, by waiting until they are naturally dormant, you won't run the risk of
reducing or eliminating next year's blooms.

Daylilies are also tough to kill. Just use reasonable care. Try to keep a
lot of dirt around their roots and don't let the roots dry out. Water
regularly after you move them. But if you wait until fall you would have the
option of dividing them as you moved them; I don't think I'd risk dividing
them during the heat of summer - too much stress on the plants.

I don't have a clue about the dianthus or carnations; I've never grown them.

Supposedly Butterfly Bushes are next to impossible to kill, but I may just
manage it - the two I planted this spring aren't doing well at all. Don't
take any advice I give regarding Butterfly Bushes. :-)

Laura


"junkyardcat" wrote in message
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I've decided to redo the butterfly garden, but I don't want to kill any
flowers that are growing in it right now. I have Cannas, Daylillies,
Amaryllis, Dianthus, Carnations, and a Butterfly Bush in it right now. The
Canna, Dianthus, Carnation, and butterfly bush are the only things
blooming
right now. Can I safely dig them up and transplant them somewhere else? Or
should I wait until Fall when they are no longer blooming?

Thanks!
Angie







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Old 01-08-2005, 07:15 AM
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I would say wait on the moving till you research what butterfly's frequent
your area.
I have an extensive butterfly garden and I have not seen them on cannas, or
my daylillies, nor the dianthus.
Where I have seen them is gathering heat by hanging in the cedar trees or
larger rocks.
Feeding on black eyed Susan, purple cone flower, gloriosa daisy, butterfly
weed, swamp milkweed or regular milkweed (if you dare).

I would recommend 'The Butterfly Book' by Donald Stokes.
It has an excellent reference to the types of flowers certain butterfly
prefer and the caterpillar food sources. Find out which ones frequent your
area and gear the garden to them.

I have had a successful crop of Monarchs this year and currently have many
swallowtail caterpillars. I can't wait!

--
Dana
www3.sympatico.ca/lostmermaid
"junkyardcat" wrote in message
...
I've decided to redo the butterfly garden, but I don't want to kill any
flowers that are growing in it right now. I have Cannas, Daylillies,
Amaryllis, Dianthus, Carnations, and a Butterfly Bush in it right now. The
Canna, Dianthus, Carnation, and butterfly bush are the only things

blooming
right now. Can I safely dig them up and transplant them somewhere else? Or
should I wait until Fall when they are no longer blooming?

Thanks!
Angie





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Old 01-08-2005, 09:35 PM
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:15:47 -0700, "Dana Schultz"
wrote:

I would say wait on the moving till you research what butterfly's frequent
your area.


Good idea, but even better would be to watch the butterfly bush and
identify the butterflies you see on it and build to support and
attract those butterflies. The reason I suggest this is because the
Spicebush and Pipevine swallowtails are both in my "area," but I have
5 year old spicebush and pipevine with no cats ever. I suppose the
neighborhoods around me are not conducive to their migration and they
just don't make it to my place.

I have an extensive butterfly garden and I have not seen them on cannas, or
my daylillies, nor the dianthus.


The canna supports one of the most interesting and aggravating of the
butterflies, if you want neat looking canna leaves. The Brazilian
Skipper has a long proboscis for reaching the nectar in the canna lily
and he scrolls it up like a clock spring. The larvae (AKA Leaf
Rollers) are laid on the canna leaf, which the larvae glues/webs in a
roll and hides in the roll while coming up and down the roll eating
the leaf and making it look nasty.

Where I have seen them is gathering heat by hanging in the cedar trees or
larger rocks.
Feeding on black eyed Susan, purple cone flower, gloriosa daisy, butterfly
weed, swamp milkweed or regular milkweed (if you dare).


Why would one dare to plant regular milkweed? It attracts lots of
insects, some known and unknown to me, but it sure has been
interesting. I have swamp, regular and Hello Yellow. I live in
Middle Georgia and have to wait until September before the Monarch
arrive here.

I would recommend 'The Butterfly Book' by Donald Stokes.
It has an excellent reference to the types of flowers certain butterfly
prefer and the caterpillar food sources. Find out which ones frequent your
area and gear the garden to them.

I have had a successful crop of Monarchs this year and currently have many
swallowtail caterpillars. I can't wait!


I'm jealous! The afternoon storms and thundershowers seem to have had
a bad effect on butterflies migrating to my place and I have only seen
a small portion of what I usually see. My most popular visitor is
the Gulf Fritillary and this year I have very healthy uneaten
maypop's(Passion Flower). I'm beginning to see Black Swallowtails
hanging around the fennel and hope things will get better.

--
Dana
www3.sympatico.ca/lostmermaid
"junkyardcat" wrote in message
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I've decided to redo the butterfly garden, but I don't want to kill any
flowers that are growing in it right now. I have Cannas, Daylillies,


Canna and daylilies can be moved and separated any time. They are
tough. The butterfly bush can be rooted by taking a branch and
burying half of it in a moist shady spot. Moving one should be done
in the Spring or Fall and keep it watered well while it is making the
adjustment.

Amaryllis, Dianthus, Carnations, and a Butterfly Bush in it right now. The
Canna, Dianthus, Carnation, and butterfly bush are the only things

blooming
right now. Can I safely dig them up and transplant them somewhere else? Or
should I wait until Fall when they are no longer blooming?


Regards,

Hal
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Old 02-08-2005, 05:57 PM
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I am in Ontario Zone 5b. My butterfly bush in the back is barely starting to
open and the one in the south has a few weeks to go. So my butterfly group
consists of (I would like to think) a Monarch that we hatched. My son and I
go in June to fields and roadsides in the country and scour milkweed to
search for caterpillars. We bring them home and feed them in the butterfly
jar and some we let loose in the garden to do their thing. What a sight!
I have cabbage whites, sulphurs, blues. The swallowtails generally stay out
of the city. One is starting a chrysalis this morning. We have had sphinx
moths too. The range is larger and too much to list.

I will certainly have to go look for the spicebush but the pipevine is not
in my area.
I have never had anything eat my cannas.

I will keep looking though.

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www3.sympatico.ca/lostmermaid
"Hal" wrote in message
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:15:47 -0700, "Dana Schultz"
wrote:

I would say wait on the moving till you research what butterfly's

frequent
your area.


Good idea, but even better would be to watch the butterfly bush and
identify the butterflies you see on it and build to support and
attract those butterflies. The reason I suggest this is because the
Spicebush and Pipevine swallowtails are both in my "area," but I have
5 year old spicebush and pipevine with no cats ever. I suppose the
neighborhoods around me are not conducive to their migration and they
just don't make it to my place.

I have an extensive butterfly garden and I have not seen them on cannas,

or
my daylillies, nor the dianthus.


The canna supports one of the most interesting and aggravating of the
butterflies, if you want neat looking canna leaves. The Brazilian
Skipper has a long proboscis for reaching the nectar in the canna lily
and he scrolls it up like a clock spring. The larvae (AKA Leaf
Rollers) are laid on the canna leaf, which the larvae glues/webs in a
roll and hides in the roll while coming up and down the roll eating
the leaf and making it look nasty.

Where I have seen them is gathering heat by hanging in the cedar trees or
larger rocks.
Feeding on black eyed Susan, purple cone flower, gloriosa daisy,

butterfly
weed, swamp milkweed or regular milkweed (if you dare).


Why would one dare to plant regular milkweed? It attracts lots of
insects, some known and unknown to me, but it sure has been
interesting. I have swamp, regular and Hello Yellow. I live in
Middle Georgia and have to wait until September before the Monarch
arrive here.

I would recommend 'The Butterfly Book' by Donald Stokes.
It has an excellent reference to the types of flowers certain butterfly
prefer and the caterpillar food sources. Find out which ones frequent

your
area and gear the garden to them.

I have had a successful crop of Monarchs this year and currently have

many
swallowtail caterpillars. I can't wait!


I'm jealous! The afternoon storms and thundershowers seem to have had
a bad effect on butterflies migrating to my place and I have only seen
a small portion of what I usually see. My most popular visitor is
the Gulf Fritillary and this year I have very healthy uneaten
maypop's(Passion Flower). I'm beginning to see Black Swallowtails
hanging around the fennel and hope things will get better.

--
Dana
www3.sympatico.ca/lostmermaid
"junkyardcat" wrote in message
...
I've decided to redo the butterfly garden, but I don't want to kill any
flowers that are growing in it right now. I have Cannas, Daylillies,


Canna and daylilies can be moved and separated any time. They are
tough. The butterfly bush can be rooted by taking a branch and
burying half of it in a moist shady spot. Moving one should be done
in the Spring or Fall and keep it watered well while it is making the
adjustment.

Amaryllis, Dianthus, Carnations, and a Butterfly Bush in it right now.

The
Canna, Dianthus, Carnation, and butterfly bush are the only things

blooming
right now. Can I safely dig them up and transplant them somewhere else?

Or
should I wait until Fall when they are no longer blooming?


Regards,

Hal



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On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:57:22 -0700, "Dana Schultz"
wrote:

I am in Ontario Zone 5b. My butterfly bush in the back is barely starting to
open and the one in the south has a few weeks to go. So my butterfly group
consists of (I would like to think) a Monarch that we hatched. My son and I
go in June to fields and roadsides in the country and scour milkweed to
search for caterpillars. We bring them home and feed them in the butterfly
jar and some we let loose in the garden to do their thing. What a sight!
I have cabbage whites, sulphurs, blues. The swallowtails generally stay out
of the city. One is starting a chrysalis this morning. We have had sphinx
moths too. The range is larger and too much to list.

I will certainly have to go look for the spicebush but the pipevine is not
in my area.
I have never had anything eat my cannas.


I guess that is a reward for living in such a cold place.

Yes, now would be a good time to move the butterfly bush if it is
small. Mine (Planted last Fall.) is 8 feet tall and has roots
extending out at least 4 feet from the center. It would take a
backhoe or major pruning to move mine.

You are fortunate to have so many varieties. I would Google them
and get plants they like. I'm in Zone 8 and doubt we have a lot of
butterflies in common, but I wish you well.

Regards,

Hal
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