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"Jim" wrote in message
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Other than killing weeds on the fenceline, there's another
garden use. If
your tomatoes/potato crop location has that contagion that
requires at least
two years of non-growth to allow the contagion to run its
course, then pour
the gas in the area. 2 years later, and alls good
irregardless.

If you'd eat vegetables grown where gasoline was dumped,
MBTE and all, you are a far more "trusting" man than I.

Bob



Why? Edible foods are grown in soil with fertilizers derived from
petroleum, or some form of manure everyday. The only difference here
between petroleum derived fertilizer and this is that am not paying for
it.
Mother nature is doing the chemical breakdown of the petroleum product.
Just because its not a common practice, doesn't mean its not viable.

Since you know this to be true, please provide us with the chemical formulas
of how gasoline and it's additives become fertilizer.


Anyone who's done backyard location car work for years in a location in
the
backyard, then abandoned that location has seen the results from the oil
and
gasoline waste. Similar to the grass growing greener over a leaky septic
tank or leech field. Fenceline waste oil dumping is the same. Takes a
couple of years to recover, but the results are the same.
--
Lil' Dave
Beware the rule quoters, the corp mindset, the Borg
Else you will be absorbed

Joseph Meehan wrote:
z wrote:
Joseph Meehan wrote:
George E. Cawthon wrote:
FDR wrote:
I have a couple of gallons of old gasoline, probably at least a
year old. I suppose I could dispose of it properly, but I was
wondering of it could be "revived" somehow or used instead?


You will get all sorts of answers, possibly
because of varying conditions but often due to
blind prejudice. First 1 year old is not a
problem, 2 years old means be careful, 3 years old
means be really careful and the best advice is to
dump it. If the container is full or nearly, if it
wasn't subject to high or warm temperatures for
the entire period the gas will be in much better
condition that stored in a 1/2 full can and at
higher temperatures.

If it really is about 1 year old just added a
gallon of it at a time to 18 or more gallons of
gas in any vehicle.

George has it right. My suggestion is to add a little at a time
to your car's gas tank. Only do this with a nearly full tank in the
car. No more than a gallon at a time, I would use less. Diluted
like this will be safe for your car.

Today's gas is better than that of years ago so it will last
longer before going bad, which it does just a little at a time.

Yes and no... the advent of in-tank electric fuel pumps for fuel
injection, which are not prone to vapor lock, has led to the
refineries leaving a lot of the real light fractions in the gasoline
that they couldn't in the past, so that they evaporate out more. In
fact, older evaporative pollution control systems from the early 80s
and such get maxed out by current fuel. Whether that would be a
problem for a lawnmower with no fuel pump is dubious, of course.

True, but evaporation is not ... well in some cases it could be, the
problem of old gas. It is the chemical reactions within the gas that is the
usual problem.

The evaporation will lead to hard starting, but the oxidation etc. are
what causes varnish and sediment.

Long boring story: I bought a 7 year old Corvair at one point; the
fancy kind with 4 carbs, two primaries and two secondaries. Only the
primaries had idle jets this early in production, and the secondaries
were on a progressive linkage, which meant that unless you floored it,
the gas did not flow through them, just sat and slowly evaporated out
of the float bowls. I guess whoever owned it did not drive very
energetically, as I discovered that both secondary fuel bowls were
absolutely and completely full of solid matter that could not be
removed with any amount of carb cleaner and manual labor, and the carbs
had to be junked. I wonder why the original owner went for the 4 carb
version in the first place?



--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

I bought a 1970 (approx) vintage Toro Snowhound 20.

No air cleaner at all? Not even a screen to keep mice out in the
summer? Is this normal for the industry?

writes:

Joseph Meehan wrote:

Long boring story: I bought a 7 year old Corvair at one point; the
fancy kind with 4 carbs, two primaries and two secondaries. Only the
primaries had idle jets this early in production, and the secondaries
were on a progressive linkage, which meant that unless you floored it,
the gas did not flow through them, just sat and slowly evaporated out
of the float bowls. I guess whoever owned it did not drive very
energetically, as I discovered that both secondary fuel bowls were
absolutely and completely full of solid matter that could not be
removed with any amount of carb cleaner and manual labor, and the carbs
had to be junked. I wonder why the original owner went for the 4 carb
version in the first place?

Yep, what a waste.
That car was a lot of fun.
I had a Corvair convertible with the same setup.

I bought the kit that replaced the 4 carbs with
a center mounted Holly 4 barrel. Zoooom!

writes:
I bought a 1970 (approx) vintage Toro Snowhound 20.

No air cleaner at all? Not even a screen to keep mice out in the
summer? Is this normal for the industry?

Currently... no. But you're dealing with a 35 year old blower!

--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

I have one dated to 1980 and it has a breather - yours should too.

--
PDQ

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wrote in message oups.com...
| I bought a 1970 (approx) vintage Toro Snowhound 20.
|
| No air cleaner at all? Not even a screen to keep mice out in the
| summer? Is this normal for the industry?
|

Yeah its normal. Ariens snowkings dont have one by default. You can
buy one from them though if you really want it. Only thing that
covers the carb is a metal enclosure around it. Its open from the
bottom though.

Tom

most snowblowers dont use airfilter cause it ices up. there isnt any
dirt blowin around in snow anyway.but there usually is a screen of some
type to keep rocks and such out... or on water for that matter,thats why
outboard engines dont use an air filter..lucas

http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:18:44 GMT, "Jim"
wrote:



| Only two gallons of just one year old gas? Dump it into your car's gas
| tank and get new gas for the mower. The gas is not that old in the
| first place and there's not enough of it to cause a problem to your
| auto in the second place. Please don't dump it on the ground or use it
| for weed killer, as this is environmentally damaging. In my state,
| it's illegal. People get caught and fined for doing it.
|
| Exactly right!
|
| Please -do not- dump fossil fuel on the ground, you can add that much to
| your car tank and never notice a difference in performance.....if you dump
| that much on the ground, you will kill everything in the soil that's close
| by -and- some fish in your nearest body of water.
|
| Use it up first next year you bogart!
|
| Runoff of this can be a problem environmentally. If spreadout along a
| fenceline, yes it kills everything for that growing season on that
| fenceline. And much less likely to runoff if dumped in one location.
| Typically the next growing season, the soil has recovered enough by breaking
| down the gasoline to usable or benign components. 2 to 3 years, one would
| think fertilizer was dropped there instead by growth appearances. Used
| engine oil is similar. Would have second thoughts on synthetic oil or
| petroleum based oil with additive product added to the oil by the consumer.
|
| Dumping laws were directed at chemicals, oil products that were dumped with
| no attention to the environment. A common invisible example is an
| underground gasoline storage tank that has leaks due to age. The contents
| get into the water table. The environmental laws apply to all. Even though
| some conscientious individual could dispense a given amount of petroleum
| waste without any immediate and subsequent impact except the location its
| dumped. A gallon of "bad" gasoline doesn't go to far spread out on a
| fenceline. Most of it evaporates.


Overview

Each year, American consumers accidentally spill more than 9 million
gallons of gasoline, largely in attempts to fill small engine machines
like lawn mowers, chain saws, generators and outboard motors and
through improper disposal of excess or old gasoline. The Alliance for
Proper Gasoline Handling is a unique public-private partnership
helping to reduce the significant environmental harm caused by
millions of these small, accidental spills.

A typical portable fuel container, also called a gas can, emits about
8 pounds of hydrocarbons through spills and evaporation each year.

Compared to a new car, a typical portable fuel container emits twice
the amount of hydrocarbons each year.

There are about 78 million portable fuel containers in the United
States. In total, portable fuel containers emit about 621 million
pounds, or 310,000 tons, of hydrocarbons each year.

A rough estimate of hydrocarbon emissions from gasoline spillage alone
is approximately 28,000 tons per year nationwide.

About one tenth of a gallon of gasoline is spilled per portable fuel
container each year during typical use and handling.

These releases contribute, at least in part, to the United States
Geologic Society (USGS) estimate that more than 40 million people use
groundwater that contains at least one volatile organic compound, many
of which are components of gasoline.

wrote in message
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I bought a 1970 (approx) vintage Toro Snowhound 20.

No air cleaner at all? Not even a screen to keep mice out in the
summer? Is this normal for the industry?


Yep! I did small engine work for a few years, never saw a filter, screen or
anything on the carburetor intake. My guess is it would just get clogged
with snow anyway!
Neither my twenty year old Bolens or my two year old Toro have anything for
a intake filter.
Greg

wrote:

I bought a 1970 (approx) vintage Toro Snowhound 20.

No air cleaner at all? Not even a screen to keep mice out in the
summer? Is this normal for the industry?

It's normal NOT to have an air cleaner for both current models of Briggs
and Stratton Snow engines as well as Tecumseh Snow King. I think the
rational is that it would likely get clogged with snow/moisture/ice and
it's not necessary since the air is remarkedly dust free when everything
is covered with fresh snow.

That's fine but I like to run my engine during the off season every few
months, and I don't like the idea of doing so without the cleaner, so I
don't run it for very long and try to do so after it rains. There isn't
any room for an air cleaner underneath the snow hood on my B&S Snow
engine, other than that I could probably just get an air cleaner from a
non-snow Intek engine. Anybody else have any ideas?

"Tom Warner" wrote in message
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wrote:


That's fine but I like to run my engine during the off season every few
months, and I don't like the idea of doing so without the cleaner, so I
don't run it for very long and try to do so after it rains. There isn't
any room for an air cleaner underneath the snow hood on my B&S Snow
engine, other than that I could probably just get an air cleaner from a
non-snow Intek engine. Anybody else have any ideas?



I would not worry about it, unless you run the engine during sand storms! I
run mine a few times a summer too. I doubt that there is enough dirt in the
air to cause a problem running a few minutes during the summer.
Greg

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:51:45 -0600, "Greg O"
wrote:

|
| wrote in message
| oups.com...
| I bought a 1970 (approx) vintage Toro Snowhound 20.
|
| No air cleaner at all? Not even a screen to keep mice out in the
| summer? Is this normal for the industry?
|
|
| Yep! I did small engine work for a few years, never saw a filter, screen or
| anything on the carburetor intake. My guess is it would just get clogged
| with snow anyway!
| Neither my twenty year old Bolens or my two year old Toro have anything for
| a intake filter.
| Greg
|
|
I have an 8-year-old MTD snowblower with a Techumsa engine and it
doesn't have an air filter either.

Didn't you mean "add it to your neighbor's truck"?

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..


"Steveo" wrote in message
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"Don Young" wrote:
I found that adding old gasoline to my Farmall Cub tractor caused severe
valve sticking.

Add it to your truck next time.

Yes. During the witner, all the dirt and dust is covered by snow. Not a
problem like summer time when you're whomping up the dust with a lawn mower.

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..


wrote in message
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I bought a 1970 (approx) vintage Toro Snowhound 20.

No air cleaner at all? Not even a screen to keep mice out in the
summer? Is this normal for the industry?