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I will be using RoundUp (or a similar product) to kill out the old lawn,
then re-seed over the top. The job is about 6,000 sq. ft. Will do it in
four sections.

I have shrubs, flowers, garden and trees that will need protecting.

1) Ortho makes a RoundUp, 2gal tank sprayer, that comes with three
nozzles--1) a nozzle that is supposed to make a FOAMING spray that does
small areas and lets you see where the spray is laid down, 2) a regular cone
nozzle and 3) a fan nozzle for large areas. (cost $21)

2) They and others, make a cheapy, 1 gal. all plastic tank sprayer with one
nozzle that can be adjusted to regular or to a fan spray.for large areas. I
don't know how good the fan spray would be. (cost $10)

3) Ortho make a "dial-n-spray" that attaches to the garden hose and is
convenient to use. I don't know if it would be very controllable in its
spray pattern. But, it will cover large areas quickly. And besides no
pumping, it sucks the concentrate from a container. After each use, the
unused concentrate can be returned to the bottle--saving lots of $$. (cost
$11)

Using the fan nozzle with any of these, will not allow me to see where I've
laid down the spray. If I use either the fan nozzle or the "dial-n-spray,"
I assume I will loose the control that the foam nozzle is supposed to give
(haven't tried it) but gain speed, ease of coverage of and in the case of
the latter, convenience and product saving. I don't want to kill my shrubs
or flowers, but neither do I want to take all day to spray nor incorrectly
use the product by over-spray or under-spray. If I don't use the "foam"
nozzle, I've thought about adding some food-coloring to the spray mixture or
concentrate, so I can better tell where I've sprayed. Ortho said that
wouldn't hurt the RoundUp.

Three Questions:

1) Should I use the 2gal. sprayer with the "foaming nozzle" so I can more
safely do the close work around the shrubs and, tress and see where I've
laid down the spray? Then switch to the fan nozzle for open yard work, but
won't be able to see where I've sprayed? (has higher tank cost)

2) Should I use a cheapy, 1gal sprayer with the nozzle on "fan?" I won't be
able to see where I've sprayed. (has cost savings over the 2 gal. tank)

3) Should I use the "dial-n-spray?" It gets the job done quickly, is
convenient, can save the unused concentrate, but I loose control over the
spray pattern? (has cost saving over the 2 gal. tank)

All opinions will be greatly appreciated. I would especially like to hear
from anyone who has experience with both the tank and "dial-n-spray" for the
garden hose.

Thank you,
Bob Tate

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I will be using RoundUp (or a similar product) to kill out the old lawn,
then re-seed over the top. The job is about 6,000 sq. ft. Will do it in
four sections.

I have shrubs, flowers, garden and trees that will need protecting.

1) Ortho makes a RoundUp, 2gal tank sprayer, that comes with three
nozzles--1) a nozzle that is supposed to make a FOAMING spray that does
small areas and lets you see where the spray is laid down, 2) a regular
cone
nozzle and 3) a fan nozzle for large areas. (cost $21)

2) They and others, make a cheapy, 1 gal. all plastic tank sprayer with
one
nozzle that can be adjusted to regular or to a fan spray.for large areas.
I
don't know how good the fan spray would be. (cost $10)

3) Ortho make a "dial-n-spray" that attaches to the garden hose and is
convenient to use. I don't know if it would be very controllable in its
spray pattern. But, it will cover large areas quickly. And besides no
pumping, it sucks the concentrate from a container. After each use, the
unused concentrate can be returned to the bottle--saving lots of $$.
(cost
$11)

Using the fan nozzle with any of these, will not allow me to see where
I've
laid down the spray. If I use either the fan nozzle or the
"dial-n-spray,"
I assume I will loose the control that the foam nozzle is supposed to give
(haven't tried it) but gain speed, ease of coverage of and in the case of
the latter, convenience and product saving. I don't want to kill my
shrubs
or flowers, but neither do I want to take all day to spray nor incorrectly
use the product by over-spray or under-spray. If I don't use the "foam"
nozzle, I've thought about adding some food-coloring to the spray mixture
or
concentrate, so I can better tell where I've sprayed. Ortho said that
wouldn't hurt the RoundUp.

Three Questions:

1) Should I use the 2gal. sprayer with the "foaming nozzle" so I can more
safely do the close work around the shrubs and, tress and see where I've
laid down the spray? Then switch to the fan nozzle for open yard work,
but
won't be able to see where I've sprayed? (has higher tank cost)

2) Should I use a cheapy, 1gal sprayer with the nozzle on "fan?" I won't
be
able to see where I've sprayed. (has cost savings over the 2 gal. tank)

3) Should I use the "dial-n-spray?" It gets the job done quickly, is
convenient, can save the unused concentrate, but I loose control over the
spray pattern? (has cost saving over the 2 gal. tank)

All opinions will be greatly appreciated. I would especially like to hear
from anyone who has experience with both the tank and "dial-n-spray" for
the
garden hose.

Thank you,
Bob Tate



Use a handheld sprayer w/ whatever nozzle you are comfortable with, but make
sure that it doesn't drift. Do not use a hose-end sprayer w/ roundup.

Be VERY careful around your shrubs. I would suggest picking up some sheets
of plastic and protecting them prior to spraying.

I would also suggest spraying a second time 2 weeks after the first
application.

Watch out for your boots. Remember that you will have the Roundup on them
when done. If you then step onto a desireable section of turf you will leave
footprints behind.

The food colouring is a good idea. I've used 'red' in the past with good
result.

Good luck.

Adele

"sunslight" wrote:
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I will be using RoundUp (or a similar product) to kill out the old lawn,
then re-seed over the top. The job is about 6,000 sq. ft. Will do it in
four sections.

I have shrubs, flowers, garden and trees that will need protecting.

1) Ortho makes a RoundUp, 2gal tank sprayer, that comes with three
nozzles--1) a nozzle that is supposed to make a FOAMING spray that does
small areas and lets you see where the spray is laid down, 2) a regular
cone nozzle and 3) a fan nozzle for large areas. (cost $21)

2) They and others, make a cheapy, 1 gal. all plastic tank sprayer with
one nozzle that can be adjusted to regular or to a fan spray.for large
areas. I don't know how good the fan spray would be. (cost $10)

3) Ortho make a "dial-n-spray" that attaches to the garden hose and is
convenient to use. I don't know if it would be very controllable in its
spray pattern. But, it will cover large areas quickly. And besides no
pumping, it sucks the concentrate from a container. After each use, the
unused concentrate can be returned to the bottle--saving lots of $$.
(cost $11)

Using the fan nozzle with any of these, will not allow me to see where
I've laid down the spray. If I use either the fan nozzle or the
"dial-n-spray," I assume I will loose the control that the foam nozzle is
supposed to give (haven't tried it) but gain speed, ease of coverage of
and in the case of the latter, convenience and product saving. I don't
want to kill my shrubs or flowers, but neither do I want to take all day
to spray nor incorrectly use the product by over-spray or under-spray.
If I don't use the "foam" nozzle, I've thought about adding some
food-coloring to the spray mixture or concentrate, so I can better tell
where I've sprayed. Ortho said that wouldn't hurt the RoundUp.

Three Questions:

1) Should I use the 2gal. sprayer with the "foaming nozzle" so I can more
safely do the close work around the shrubs and, tress and see where I've
laid down the spray? Then switch to the fan nozzle for open yard work,
but won't be able to see where I've sprayed? (has higher tank cost)

2) Should I use a cheapy, 1gal sprayer with the nozzle on "fan?" I won't
be able to see where I've sprayed. (has cost savings over the 2 gal.
tank)

3) Should I use the "dial-n-spray?" It gets the job done quickly, is
convenient, can save the unused concentrate, but I loose control over the
spray pattern? (has cost saving over the 2 gal. tank)

All opinions will be greatly appreciated. I would especially like to
hear from anyone who has experience with both the tank and "dial-n-spray"
for the garden hose.

Thank you,
Bob Tate

6000 sg ft will take at least 6 gallons of water, 12 gallons
is better. 3 oz per gallon minimum with roundup pro. (rain fast in an hour)

The hose end applicator will make short work of it.

Measure a plot or two,so you know you're using the
rate correctly.

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Use a fan spray on a pump up type sprayer. I've seen additives that make the
round up blue in color. It works great. Roundup works best in heat above 70
degrees. Mix it a little bit stronger than it says and reapply 3 days later.
I takes 14 days to really kill the weeks. You could try Finale also, made by
Bayer Company.
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"sunslight" wrote:
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I will be using RoundUp (or a similar product) to kill out the old lawn,
then re-seed over the top. The job is about 6,000 sq. ft. Will do it in
four sections.

I have shrubs, flowers, garden and trees that will need protecting.

1) Ortho makes a RoundUp, 2gal tank sprayer, that comes with three
nozzles--1) a nozzle that is supposed to make a FOAMING spray that does
small areas and lets you see where the spray is laid down, 2) a regular
cone nozzle and 3) a fan nozzle for large areas. (cost $21)

2) They and others, make a cheapy, 1 gal. all plastic tank sprayer with
one nozzle that can be adjusted to regular or to a fan spray.for large
areas. I don't know how good the fan spray would be. (cost $10)

3) Ortho make a "dial-n-spray" that attaches to the garden hose and is
convenient to use. I don't know if it would be very controllable in its
spray pattern. But, it will cover large areas quickly. And besides no
pumping, it sucks the concentrate from a container. After each use, the
unused concentrate can be returned to the bottle--saving lots of $$.
(cost $11)

Using the fan nozzle with any of these, will not allow me to see where
I've laid down the spray. If I use either the fan nozzle or the
"dial-n-spray," I assume I will loose the control that the foam nozzle
is
supposed to give (haven't tried it) but gain speed, ease of coverage of
and in the case of the latter, convenience and product saving. I don't
want to kill my shrubs or flowers, but neither do I want to take all day
to spray nor incorrectly use the product by over-spray or under-spray.
If I don't use the "foam" nozzle, I've thought about adding some
food-coloring to the spray mixture or concentrate, so I can better tell
where I've sprayed. Ortho said that wouldn't hurt the RoundUp.

Three Questions:

1) Should I use the 2gal. sprayer with the "foaming nozzle" so I can
more
safely do the close work around the shrubs and, tress and see where I've
laid down the spray? Then switch to the fan nozzle for open yard work,
but won't be able to see where I've sprayed? (has higher tank cost)

2) Should I use a cheapy, 1gal sprayer with the nozzle on "fan?" I
won't
be able to see where I've sprayed. (has cost savings over the 2 gal.
tank)

3) Should I use the "dial-n-spray?" It gets the job done quickly, is
convenient, can save the unused concentrate, but I loose control over
the
spray pattern? (has cost saving over the 2 gal. tank)

All opinions will be greatly appreciated. I would especially like to
hear from anyone who has experience with both the tank and
"dial-n-spray"
for the garden hose.

Thank you,
Bob Tate

6000 sg ft will take at least 6 gallons of water, 12 gallons
is better. 3 oz per gallon minimum with roundup pro. (rain fast in an
hour)

The hose end applicator will make short work of it.

Measure a plot or two,so you know you're using the
rate correctly.

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"FOW" wrote:
Use a fan spray on a pump up type sprayer.

Have you ever sprayed 6000 sq ft with a pump up sprayer?

I've seen additives that make the round up blue in color. It works great.

It's called tracker dye,and you're right it's very helpful.

Roundup works best in heat
above 70 degrees. Mix it a little bit stronger than it says and reapply 3
days later. I takes 14 days to really kill the weeks. You could try
Finale also, made by Bayer Company.

Roundup will kill in 7 days,even if the plant doesn't appear totally
dead.

Be careful with Finale,it does have a faster foliage burn off than roundup,
but beacuse of that it sometimes burns the foliage before the plant has a
chance to absorb the control product into the root system.

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"sunslight" wrote:
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I will be using RoundUp (or a similar product) to kill out the old
lawn, then re-seed over the top. The job is about 6,000 sq. ft. Will
do it in four sections.

I have shrubs, flowers, garden and trees that will need protecting.

1) Ortho makes a RoundUp, 2gal tank sprayer, that comes with three
nozzles--1) a nozzle that is supposed to make a FOAMING spray that
does small areas and lets you see where the spray is laid down, 2) a
regular cone nozzle and 3) a fan nozzle for large areas. (cost $21)

2) They and others, make a cheapy, 1 gal. all plastic tank sprayer
with one nozzle that can be adjusted to regular or to a fan spray.for
large areas. I don't know how good the fan spray would be. (cost
$10)

3) Ortho make a "dial-n-spray" that attaches to the garden hose and
is convenient to use. I don't know if it would be very controllable
in its spray pattern. But, it will cover large areas quickly. And
besides no pumping, it sucks the concentrate from a container. After
each use, the unused concentrate can be returned to the
bottle--saving lots of $$. (cost $11)

Using the fan nozzle with any of these, will not allow me to see
where I've laid down the spray. If I use either the fan nozzle or
the "dial-n-spray," I assume I will loose the control that the foam
nozzle
is
supposed to give (haven't tried it) but gain speed, ease of coverage
of and in the case of the latter, convenience and product saving. I
don't want to kill my shrubs or flowers, but neither do I want to
take all day to spray nor incorrectly use the product by over-spray
or under-spray. If I don't use the "foam" nozzle, I've thought about
adding some food-coloring to the spray mixture or concentrate, so I
can better tell where I've sprayed. Ortho said that wouldn't hurt
the RoundUp.

Three Questions:

1) Should I use the 2gal. sprayer with the "foaming nozzle" so I can
more
safely do the close work around the shrubs and, tress and see where
I've laid down the spray? Then switch to the fan nozzle for open
yard work, but won't be able to see where I've sprayed? (has higher
tank cost)

2) Should I use a cheapy, 1gal sprayer with the nozzle on "fan?" I
won't
be able to see where I've sprayed. (has cost savings over the 2 gal.
tank)

3) Should I use the "dial-n-spray?" It gets the job done quickly, is
convenient, can save the unused concentrate, but I loose control over
the
spray pattern? (has cost saving over the 2 gal. tank)

All opinions will be greatly appreciated. I would especially like to
hear from anyone who has experience with both the tank and
"dial-n-spray"
for the garden hose.

Thank you,
Bob Tate

6000 sg ft will take at least 6 gallons of water, 12 gallons
is better. 3 oz per gallon minimum with roundup pro. (rain fast in an
hour)

The hose end applicator will make short work of it.

Measure a plot or two,so you know you're using the
rate correctly.

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Thanks everyone.

I guess it's looks like the majority vote is for RoundUp in a pump tank
sprayer.

I was sort of hoping for everyone to say, use the dial-n-sprayer. That
would cover the 6,000 sq. ft quickly. I wonder how many days it is going to
take me to make even one pass? Here in the Rocky Mountains, the only real
time I can spray will be very early morning or late in the evening when
there is no canyon breeze. that window will last for only about an hour.

I just found out that drift can really be a problem, even with something
like weed-b-gone. I used pre-mixed gallon, sprayed when the temp. was
around 68, didn't get closer to my rose bush than three feet, but there was
just a very slight breeze and today, my rose bush is looking rather poorly.

Does anyone know where I can get "tracker dye?" I had planned on using food
coloring, but this sounds better.

Thanks all for the advice.

I'm going to make another thread on questions on how to plant a new lawn
with grass seed, so if anyone want to chime in on that one, watch for it and
your good advice will be appreciated.

Bob

I"sunslight" wrote in message
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I will be using RoundUp (or a similar product) to kill out the old lawn,
then re-seed over the top. The job is about 6,000 sq. ft. Will do it in
four sections.

I have shrubs, flowers, garden and trees that will need protecting.

1) Ortho makes a RoundUp, 2gal tank sprayer, that comes with three
nozzles--1) a nozzle that is supposed to make a FOAMING spray that does
small areas and lets you see where the spray is laid down, 2) a regular
cone
nozzle and 3) a fan nozzle for large areas. (cost $21)

2) They and others, make a cheapy, 1 gal. all plastic tank sprayer with
one
nozzle that can be adjusted to regular or to a fan spray.for large areas.
I
don't know how good the fan spray would be. (cost $10)

3) Ortho make a "dial-n-spray" that attaches to the garden hose and is
convenient to use. I don't know if it would be very controllable in its
spray pattern. But, it will cover large areas quickly. And besides no
pumping, it sucks the concentrate from a container. After each use, the
unused concentrate can be returned to the bottle--saving lots of $$.
(cost
$11)

Using the fan nozzle with any of these, will not allow me to see where
I've
laid down the spray. If I use either the fan nozzle or the
"dial-n-spray,"
I assume I will loose the control that the foam nozzle is supposed to give
(haven't tried it) but gain speed, ease of coverage of and in the case of
the latter, convenience and product saving. I don't want to kill my
shrubs
or flowers, but neither do I want to take all day to spray nor incorrectly
use the product by over-spray or under-spray. If I don't use the "foam"
nozzle, I've thought about adding some food-coloring to the spray mixture
or
concentrate, so I can better tell where I've sprayed. Ortho said that
wouldn't hurt the RoundUp.

Three Questions:

1) Should I use the 2gal. sprayer with the "foaming nozzle" so I can more
safely do the close work around the shrubs and, tress and see where I've
laid down the spray? Then switch to the fan nozzle for open yard work,
but
won't be able to see where I've sprayed? (has higher tank cost)

2) Should I use a cheapy, 1gal sprayer with the nozzle on "fan?" I won't
be
able to see where I've sprayed. (has cost savings over the 2 gal. tank)

3) Should I use the "dial-n-spray?" It gets the job done quickly, is
convenient, can save the unused concentrate, but I loose control over the
spray pattern? (has cost saving over the 2 gal. tank)

All opinions will be greatly appreciated. I would especially like to hear
from anyone who has experience with both the tank and "dial-n-spray" for
the
garden hose.

Thank you,
Bob Tate

I get it at chemical supply company. Also try a irrigation supply place.Try
this place http://www.lesco.com/Products/default.asp?link=controls
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Thanks everyone.

I guess it's looks like the majority vote is for RoundUp in a pump tank
sprayer.

I was sort of hoping for everyone to say, use the dial-n-sprayer. That
would cover the 6,000 sq. ft quickly. I wonder how many days it is going
to
take me to make even one pass? Here in the Rocky Mountains, the only real
time I can spray will be very early morning or late in the evening when
there is no canyon breeze. that window will last for only about an hour.

I just found out that drift can really be a problem, even with something
like weed-b-gone. I used pre-mixed gallon, sprayed when the temp. was
around 68, didn't get closer to my rose bush than three feet, but there
was
just a very slight breeze and today, my rose bush is looking rather
poorly.

Does anyone know where I can get "tracker dye?" I had planned on using
food
coloring, but this sounds better.

Thanks all for the advice.

I'm going to make another thread on questions on how to plant a new lawn
with grass seed, so if anyone want to chime in on that one, watch for it
and
your good advice will be appreciated.

Bob

I"sunslight" wrote in message
news:OWUna.511025$L1.145952@sccrnsc02...
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I will be using RoundUp (or a similar product) to kill out the old lawn,
then re-seed over the top. The job is about 6,000 sq. ft. Will do it in
four sections.

I have shrubs, flowers, garden and trees that will need protecting.

1) Ortho makes a RoundUp, 2gal tank sprayer, that comes with three
nozzles--1) a nozzle that is supposed to make a FOAMING spray that does
small areas and lets you see where the spray is laid down, 2) a regular
cone
nozzle and 3) a fan nozzle for large areas. (cost $21)

2) They and others, make a cheapy, 1 gal. all plastic tank sprayer with
one
nozzle that can be adjusted to regular or to a fan spray.for large
areas.
I
don't know how good the fan spray would be. (cost $10)

3) Ortho make a "dial-n-spray" that attaches to the garden hose and is
convenient to use. I don't know if it would be very controllable in its
spray pattern. But, it will cover large areas quickly. And besides no
pumping, it sucks the concentrate from a container. After each use, the
unused concentrate can be returned to the bottle--saving lots of $$.
(cost
$11)

Using the fan nozzle with any of these, will not allow me to see where
I've
laid down the spray. If I use either the fan nozzle or the
"dial-n-spray,"
I assume I will loose the control that the foam nozzle is supposed to
give
(haven't tried it) but gain speed, ease of coverage of and in the case
of
the latter, convenience and product saving. I don't want to kill my
shrubs
or flowers, but neither do I want to take all day to spray nor
incorrectly
use the product by over-spray or under-spray. If I don't use the "foam"
nozzle, I've thought about adding some food-coloring to the spray
mixture
or
concentrate, so I can better tell where I've sprayed. Ortho said that
wouldn't hurt the RoundUp.

Three Questions:

1) Should I use the 2gal. sprayer with the "foaming nozzle" so I can
more
safely do the close work around the shrubs and, tress and see where I've
laid down the spray? Then switch to the fan nozzle for open yard work,
but
won't be able to see where I've sprayed? (has higher tank cost)

2) Should I use a cheapy, 1gal sprayer with the nozzle on "fan?" I
won't
be
able to see where I've sprayed. (has cost savings over the 2 gal. tank)

3) Should I use the "dial-n-spray?" It gets the job done quickly, is
convenient, can save the unused concentrate, but I loose control over
the
spray pattern? (has cost saving over the 2 gal. tank)

All opinions will be greatly appreciated. I would especially like to
hear
from anyone who has experience with both the tank and "dial-n-spray" for
the
garden hose.

Thank you,
Bob Tate