Here are the results of my lawn soil test. Can you recommend soil
amendments or treatments? Have rye, fescue and bluegrass in central CT.
TIA.

PH 6.0 (plan to add lime)
Nitrogen - Very Low
Phosphorous - High
Potash - Low

On Aug 12, 3:55 pm, "Danny Noonan" wrote:
Here are the results of my lawn soil test. Can you recommend soil
amendments or treatments? Have rye, fescue and bluegrass in central CT.
TIA.

PH 6.0 (plan to add lime)
Nitrogen - Very Low
Phosphorous - High
Potash - Low

Lime now and 15-0-15 fertilizer next spring.

KC

On Aug 12, 10:29 pm, KC wrote:
On Aug 12, 3:55 pm, "Danny Noonan" wrote:

Here are the results of my lawn soil test. Can you recommend soil
amendments or treatments? Have rye, fescue and bluegrass in central CT.
TIA.

PH 6.0 (plan to add lime)
Nitrogen - Very Low
Phosphorous - High
Potash - Low

Lime now and 15-0-15 fertilizer next spring.

KC

Why wait till Spring to fertilize? Fall is an excellent time to apply
ferilizer and will give you a nice green lawn to look at even in
winter. You need a fertilizer with Nitrogen, and Potash and little
or no Phospate. On the bag, fertilizer is listed as percentages of
NPK, ie X-X-X. Over the season, you want to apply to each 1000 sq
ft:

3 - 4lbs N nitrogen
0 P phosphate
3 - 3.5 K potash

So, if you find a 40 lb bag marked 15-0-15, it contains 6 lbs of N and
6lbs of K, which is enough for 2000 sq ft for the season. I would
apply it divided in 3 applications, one in early Sept, one in late
Oct, one in late Mar/early April. The limestone can be put down
anytime.

To find the right fertilizer, you may need to go to a pro turn product
supplier, like Lesco, as the home centers usually have more balanced
products.

On Aug 13, 7:37 am, wrote:

Lime now and 15-0-15 fertilizer next spring.

KC

Why wait till Spring to fertilize? Fall is an excellent time to apply ferilizer

There are divided opinions on this subject and I gave the one I was
taught. Existing growth benefits but new growth suffers. Rationale is
that nitrogen stimulates new growth late in the season and this growth
does not have time to toughen up before freezes, thus dying.

KC

On Aug 13, 8:58 pm, KC wrote:
On Aug 13, 7:37 am, wrote:



Lime now and 15-0-15 fertilizer next spring.

KC

Why wait till Spring to fertilize? Fall is an excellent time to apply ferilizer

There are divided opinions on this subject and I gave the one I was
taught. Existing growth benefits but new growth suffers. Rationale is
that nitrogen stimulates new growth late in the season and this growth
does not have time to toughen up before freezes, thus dying.

KC

If you look at the advice of university agricultural services and turf
authorities, I haven't seen any disagreement. In fact, most of them
state that Fall is the best time to fertilize, as there is much less
chance of encouraging disease. If you have any sources that state
otherwise, I'd be happy to see them. And I do it every year on my
lawn and it looks super, nice and green all winter.

trader wrote:

KC wrote:
trad wrote:



Lime now and 15-0-15 fertilizer next spring.

KC

Why wait till Spring to fertilize? Fall is an excellent time to apply ferilizer

There are divided opinions on this subject and I gave the one I was
taught. Existing growth benefits but new growth suffers. Rationale is
that nitrogen stimulates new growth late in the season and this growth
does not have time to toughen up before freezes, thus dying.

KC

If you look at the advice of university agricultural services and turf
authorities, I haven't seen any disagreement. In fact, most of them
state that Fall is the best time to fertilize, as there is much less
chance of encouraging disease. If you have any sources that state
otherwise, I'd be happy to see them. And I do it every year on my
lawn and it looks super, nice and green all winter.

your advice is dependent upon the type of turf one is managing.

http://www.super-sod.com/info-guide-bermuda.html
http://www.super-sod.com/info-guide-centipede.html

both are warm season active cool season dormant grasses
yet they have different feeding requirements.


leaving the uninformed uninformed allows for increased
seed and fertilizer sales resulting in an industry net
gain. is it the right thing to do?

On Aug 14, 6:28 am, wrote:
On Aug 13, 8:58 pm, KC wrote:





On Aug 13, 7:37 am, wrote:

Lime now and 15-0-15 fertilizer next spring.

KC

Why wait till Spring to fertilize? Fall is an excellent time to apply ferilizer

There are divided opinions on this subject and I gave the one I was
taught. Existing growth benefits but new growth suffers. Rationale is
that nitrogen stimulates new growth late in the season and this growth
does not have time to toughen up before freezes, thus dying.

KC

If you look at the advice of university agricultural services and turf
authorities, I haven't seen any disagreement. In fact, most of them
state that Fall is the best time to fertilize, as there is much less
chance of encouraging disease. If you have any sources that state
otherwise, I'd be happy to see them. And I do it every year on my
lawn and it looks super, nice and green all winter.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Aug 14, 6:28 am, wrote:
On Aug 13, 8:58 pm, KC wrote:





On Aug 13, 7:37 am, wrote:

Lime now and 15-0-15 fertilizer next spring.

KC

Why wait till Spring to fertilize? Fall is an excellent time to apply ferilizer

There are divided opinions on this subject and I gave the one I was
taught. Existing growth benefits but new growth suffers. Rationale is
that nitrogen stimulates new growth late in the season and this growth
does not have time to toughen up before freezes, thus dying.

KC

If you look at the advice of university agricultural services and turf
authorities, I haven't seen any disagreement. In fact, most of them
state that Fall is the best time to fertilize, as there is much less
chance of encouraging disease. If you have any sources that state
otherwise, I'd be happy to see them. And I do it every year on my
lawn and it looks super, nice and green all winter.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I stand corrected. The grasses named by the OP will benefit from fall
fertilizing. My advice pertained to warm season grasses which general
recommendations state not to fertilize later than August. Which is
where the difference of opinion comes in.

Kc

KC wrote:

[....]

I stand corrected. The grasses named by the OP will benefit from fall
fertilizing. My advice pertained to warm season grasses which general
recommendations state not to fertilize later than August. Which is
where the difference of opinion comes in.

Kc

http://www.super-sod.com/info-guide-bermuda.html

Fall application 30lbs (lbs/3000 SF) 5-10-15 + Iron Pre-E
fall, that's usually after august, right?
Bermuda grass, that's usually referred to as a warm season
grass, right?

do your general recommendations originate from a lowes-guy
or a sears-guy?

On Aug 14, 7:13 am, Jim wrote:
trader wrote:
KC wrote:
trad wrote:

Lime now and 15-0-15 fertilizer next spring.

KC

Why wait till Spring to fertilize? Fall is an excellent time to apply ferilizer

There are divided opinions on this subject and I gave the one I was
taught. Existing growth benefits but new growth suffers. Rationale is
that nitrogen stimulates new growth late in the season and this growth
does not have time to toughen up before freezes, thus dying.

KC

If you look at the advice of university agricultural services and turf
authorities, I haven't seen any disagreement. In fact, most of them
state that Fall is the best time to fertilize, as there is much less
chance of encouraging disease. If you have any sources that state
otherwise, I'd be happy to see them. And I do it every year on my
lawn and it looks super, nice and green all winter.

your advice is dependent upon the type of turf one is managing.

http://www.super-sod.com/info-guide-...centipede.html

both are warm season active cool season dormant grasses
yet they have different feeding requirements.

leaving the uninformed uninformed allows for increased
seed and fertilizer sales resulting in an industry net
gain. is it the right thing to do?- Hide quoted text -



If you read the original post, the question was:

"Here are the results of my lawn soil test. Can you recommend soil
amendments or treatments? Have rye, fescue and bluegrass in central
CT. "

It's clear the question and answer I gave were for cool season grasses
in CT, not warm season grasses. Fall fertilization is clearly
appropriate. So save the nonsense about trying to increase fertlizer
sales.

wrote:
On Aug 14, 7:13 am, Jim wrote:
trader wrote:
KC wrote:
trad wrote:

Lime now and 15-0-15 fertilizer next spring.

KC

Why wait till Spring to fertilize? Fall is an excellent time to
apply ferilizer

There are divided opinions on this subject and I gave the one I was
taught. Existing growth benefits but new growth suffers. Rationale
is that nitrogen stimulates new growth late in the season and this
growth does not have time to toughen up before freezes, thus dying.

KC

If you look at the advice of university agricultural services and
turf authorities, I haven't seen any disagreement. In fact, most of
them state that Fall is the best time to fertilize, as there is much
less chance of encouraging disease. If you have any sources that
state otherwise, I'd be happy to see them. And I do it every year on
my lawn and it looks super, nice and green all winter.

your advice is dependent upon the type of turf one is managing.

http://www.super-sod.com/info-guide-...w.super-sod.co
m/info-guide-centipede.html

both are warm season active cool season dormant grasses
yet they have different feeding requirements.

leaving the uninformed uninformed allows for increased
seed and fertilizer sales resulting in an industry net
gain. is it the right thing to do?- Hide quoted text -


If you read the original post, the question was:

"Here are the results of my lawn soil test. Can you recommend soil
amendments or treatments? Have rye, fescue and bluegrass in central
CT. "

It's clear the question and answer I gave were for cool season grasses
in CT, not warm season grasses. Fall fertilization is clearly
appropriate. So save the nonsense about trying to increase fertlizer
sales.

I understood you completely, Trader, and you were spot on with your advice.

Bermuda isn't really turf-grass anyway is it? it looks like grass weeds to
me.

trader wrote:

Jim wrote:
trader wrote:
KC wrote:
trader wrote:

Lime now and 15-0-15 fertilizer next spring.

KC

Why wait till Spring to fertilize? Fall is an excellent time to apply ferilizer

There are divided opinions on this subject and I gave the one I was
taught. Existing growth benefits but new growth suffers. Rationale is
that nitrogen stimulates new growth late in the season and this growth
does not have time to toughen up before freezes, thus dying.

If you look at the advice of university agricultural services and turf
authorities, I haven't seen any disagreement. In fact, most of them
state that Fall is the best time to fertilize, as there is much less
chance of encouraging disease. If you have any sources that state
otherwise, I'd be happy to see them. And I do it every year on my
lawn and it looks super, nice and green all winter.

your advice is dependent upon the type of turf one is managing.

http://www.super-sod.com/info-guide-bermuda.html
http://www.super-sod.com/info-guide-centipede.html

both are warm season active cool season dormant grasses
yet they have different feeding requirements.

leaving the uninformed uninformed allows for increased
seed and fertilizer sales resulting in an industry net
gain. is it the right thing to do?


If you read the original post, the question was:

I did.


"Here are the results of my lawn soil test. Can you recommend soil
amendments or treatments? Have rye, fescue and bluegrass in central
CT. "

It's clear the question and answer I gave were for cool season grasses
in CT, not warm season grasses. Fall fertilization is clearly
appropriate. So save the nonsense about trying to increase fertlizer
sales.

LOL -- KC recommends waiting till spring and then you show
up selling fertilizer stating "Why wait till Spring to fertilize"
thank you for an excellent LOL


http://www.super-sod.com/info-guide-fescue.html

I never said your advice was inappropriate, did I?

I was attempting to make the point of how different
turf types have different requirements.

I am now reminded of how a mind is much the same as a
parachute in that neither work well when they are not
open.

On Aug 14, 10:06 pm, Jim wrote:
trader wrote:
Jim wrote:
trader wrote:
KC wrote:
trader wrote:

Lime now and 15-0-15 fertilizer next spring.

KC

Why wait till Spring to fertilize? Fall is an excellent time to apply ferilizer

There are divided opinions on this subject and I gave the one I was
taught. Existing growth benefits but new growth suffers. Rationale is
that nitrogen stimulates new growth late in the season and this growth
does not have time to toughen up before freezes, thus dying.

If you look at the advice of university agricultural services and turf
authorities, I haven't seen any disagreement. In fact, most of them
state that Fall is the best time to fertilize, as there is much less
chance of encouraging disease. If you have any sources that state
otherwise, I'd be happy to see them. And I do it every year on my
lawn and it looks super, nice and green all winter.

your advice is dependent upon the type of turf one is managing.

http://www.super-sod.com/info-guide-...centipede.html

both are warm season active cool season dormant grasses
yet they have different feeding requirements.

leaving the uninformed uninformed allows for increased
seed and fertilizer sales resulting in an industry net
gain. is it the right thing to do?

If you read the original post, the question was:

I did.



"Here are the results of my lawn soil test. Can you recommend soil
amendments or treatments? Have rye, fescue and bluegrass in central
CT. "

It's clear the question and answer I gave were for cool season grasses
in CT, not warm season grasses. Fall fertilization is clearly
appropriate. So save the nonsense about trying to increase fertlizer
sales.

LOL -- KC recommends waiting till spring and then you show
up selling fertilizer stating "Why wait till Spring to fertilize"
thank you for an excellent LOL

http://www.super-sod.com/info-guide-fescue.html

I never said your advice was inappropriate, did I?

I was attempting to make the point of how different
turf types have different requirements.

I am now reminded of how a mind is much the same as a
parachute in that neither work well when they are not
open.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Perhaps you should take a class in reading comprehension and how to
express yourself. Even this latest post makes no sense. You made a
snide comment about my advice, accusing me of trying to sell
fertilizer, which implies that is the basis for my answer that Fall is
an excellent time for the OP to fertilize, instead of waiting for
Spring. Which of course is quite silly, because you have no evidence
or reason to think I'm in any way connected to or benefitting from
people buying more fertilizer. And also, if you can read, in the post
you attacked, I spelled out the fertilizer requirements for his turf
for the entire season, and only suggested how he divide it up. So, he
could use the same amount of fertilizer regardless of when he puts it
down. And now you again say I showed up "selling feritilizer." Yet
at the same time you say the advice I gave was "not inappropriate."

So, what the hell exactly are you saying? When you figure it out and
can put it into writing, let us know.

On Aug 14, 3:28 pm, Steveo wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 14, 7:13 am, Jim wrote:
trader wrote:
KC wrote:
trad wrote:

Lime now and 15-0-15 fertilizer next spring.

KC

Why wait till Spring to fertilize? Fall is an excellent time to
apply ferilizer

There are divided opinions on this subject and I gave the one I was
taught. Existing growth benefits but new growth suffers. Rationale
is that nitrogen stimulates new growth late in the season and this
growth does not have time to toughen up before freezes, thus dying.

KC

If you look at the advice of university agricultural services and
turf authorities, I haven't seen any disagreement. In fact, most of
them state that Fall is the best time to fertilize, as there is much
less chance of encouraging disease. If you have any sources that
state otherwise, I'd be happy to see them. And I do it every year on
my lawn and it looks super, nice and green all winter.

your advice is dependent upon the type of turf one is managing.

http://www.super-sod.com/info-guide-...w.super-sod.co
m/info-guide-centipede.html

both are warm season active cool season dormant grasses
yet they have different feeding requirements.

leaving the uninformed uninformed allows for increased
seed and fertilizer sales resulting in an industry net
gain. is it the right thing to do?- Hide quoted text -

If you read the original post, the question was:

"Here are the results of my lawn soil test. Can you recommend soil
amendments or treatments? Have rye, fescue and bluegrass in central
CT. "

It's clear the question and answer I gave were for cool season grasses
in CT, not warm season grasses. Fall fertilization is clearly
appropriate. So save the nonsense about trying to increase fertlizer
sales.

I understood you completely, Trader, and you were spot on with your advice.

Bermuda isn't really turf-grass anyway is it? it looks like grass weeds to
me.- Hide quoted text -


Thanks Steveo. I was beginning to think I was the only one here that
made any sense!

On Aug 14, 1:36 pm, Jim wrote:


http://www.super-sod.com/info-guide-bermuda.html

Fall application 30lbs (lbs/3000 SF) 5-10-15 + Iron Pre-E
fall, that's usually after august, right?
Bermuda grass, that's usually referred to as a warm season
grass, right?

do your general recommendations originate from a lowes-guy
or a sears-guy?

I admitted I was wrong about fall fertilizing the grasses named by the
OP. (I happen to be capable of admitting my mistakes). I am not wrong
about fall fertilizing warm season grasses, based upon ag universities
recommendations.

http://www.aces.edu/pubs/docs/A/ANR-0239/
http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/lawns/index.html

You are trying to make a case based on "super-sod" bermuda which is a
hybrid and does not meet the same maintenance requirements of common
bermuda, zoysia, centipede. & St. Augustine. Know what you're talking
about before you argue.


KC