I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no it was
not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick)
gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all
fricken day !
takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are off to
Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my grandmothers
car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet.
Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron...

Clark...

--
Don't you have Google in your part of the world?

"Clark..." wrote in message
...
I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no it
was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick)
gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all
fricken day !
takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are off
to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my
grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet.
Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron...

Clark...

I know. It's terrible. I awoke to 26 degree bluebird clear cold this
morning. Had to run out on the back porch for a few pieces of wood in my
pajamas. It only looks like it will get up to 44 here today. Be glad when
this cold weather is over.

Steve, in SW Utah, just trying to be sympathetic. ;-)

Clark... wrote:
I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no it was
not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick)
gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all
fricken day !
takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are off to
Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my grandmothers
car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet.
Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron...

Clark...

That's why they held the global warming conference in Bali. It was
canceled too many times in the past due to blizzards elsewhere

Frank

"Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message
. ..
Clark... wrote:
I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no it
was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick)
gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all
fricken day !
takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are off
to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my
grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet.
Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron...

Clark...

That's why they held the global warming conference in Bali. It was
canceled too many times in the past due to blizzards elsewhere

Frank

And then left HUGE carbon footprints while flying there in their personal
jets.

Duh.

Steve

"Clark..." wrote in message
...
I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no it
was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick)
gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all
fricken day !
takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are off
to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my
grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet.
Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron...

Clark...

--
Don't you have Google in your part of the world?


And what's all this have to do with ---GLOBAL WARMING---, (not a local cold
spell)?
Dave

Dioclese wrote:
"Clark..." wrote in message
...
I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud,
(no it was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick)
gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all
fricken day !
takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are
off to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my
grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet.
Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron...

Clark...

--
Don't you have Google in your part of the world?


And what's all this have to do with ---GLOBAL WARMING---, (not a
local cold spell)?
Dave



LOCAL? how about a third of the U.S.?
It is not even winter yet!
Clark...
--
Don't you have Google in your part of the world?

yeah...see the way it works is,we only have global warming in the
summer. i think this global warming thing is a way to scare people so
they can be controlled.. lucas

http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm

Use the right term; it isn't Global Warming anymore.
It is called "Climate Change."
That way they're right either way.

wrote in message
...
yeah...see the way it works is,we only have global warming in the
summer. i think this global warming thing is a way to scare people
so
they can be controlled.. lucas

http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm

Question: What is the temperature of Earth, and what should it be?
Question: The surface of Mars is also warming. Doesn't it seem
odd that mankind is changing the climate on another planet?

bob-tx

On Dec 17, 9:10 am, wrote:
yeah...see the way it works is,we only have global warming in the
summer. i think this global warming thing is a way to scare people so
they can be controlled.. lucas

http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm


The part I like best is how everything to do with the climate now gets
attributed to global warming. If it's a hot summer, the news stories
talk about global warming. If it's a drought somewhere, it's global
warming. Floods, same thing. Even the recent colder than average
winter here in the northeast leads to more talk trying to link it to
global warming. Yet, a simple look at history shows that there have
been periods of major climatic events, eg the dust bowl in the midwest
of the 30's.

If you go do a search for global cooling, you'll find stories from the
70's when "experts" were equally convinced that the planet faced a
possible mini ice age from a cooling trend. And many similar
arguments were made, eg that due to modern science, they then had
computer models that showed it would happen.

Clark... wrote:
I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no
it was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick)
gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all
fricken day !
takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are
off to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my
grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet.
Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron...

Clark...


Two things,
1. could you tell my hands were cold and stiff when I typed the above? holy
crap...
2. Glad to see some guys in here don't buy into the Global warming thing.
but let's add to that, how about

California is going to fall into the ocean.

the Y2K joke. I worked for a good sized bank at the time and was on one of
the many Y2K testing and compliance teams.

spotted owls can only live in one kind of tree, then found nesting in a
store sign.

Clark...

--
Don't you have Google in your part of the world?

"Clark..." wrote in message
...
Dioclese wrote:
"Clark..." wrote in message
...
I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud,
(no it was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick)
gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all
fricken day !
takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are
off to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my
grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet.
Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron...

Clark...

--
Don't you have Google in your part of the world?


And what's all this have to do with ---GLOBAL WARMING---, (not a
local cold spell)?
Dave



LOCAL? how about a third of the U.S.?
It is not even winter yet!
Clark...
--
Don't you have Google in your part of the world?


Yep, its snowing in the Med (sea) too. It never gets very cold there
either. Nothing I've seen so far is a long term thing regarding the
uncomfortable cold. So, what's any of this have to do with global warming?

And, yes, I would welcome it if such global warming did not exist. Perhaps
the oceans have played a trick on us. Global cooling may have commenced.
Global ice age on the horizon... Move to Mexico for something more familiar
in temperature.

Candidly, we've been lucky to date on the weather we have had in recent past
history in terms of thousands of years. Can change in a matter of a few
years.
Dave

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:35:21 -0500, "Clark..."
wrote:

Clark... wrote:
I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no
it was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick)
gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all
fricken day !
takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are
off to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my
grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet.
Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron...

Clark...


Two things,
1. could you tell my hands were cold and stiff when I typed the above? holy
crap...
2. Glad to see some guys in here don't buy into the Global warming thing.
but let's add to that, how about

California is going to fall into the ocean.

the Y2K joke. I worked for a good sized bank at the time and was on one of
the many Y2K testing and compliance teams.

spotted owls can only live in one kind of tree, then found nesting in a
store sign.

Clark...

Right, rip down all the ****ing trees, who cares? Dump more CO2 into
the oceans so they become more acidic and kill off the little beasties
that fish eat. Who cares? Well, maybe the folks that eat fish. And
anything else.

I love your Y2K joke. I worked my ass off fixing and testing computer
systems so they would function properly after 1999. Lots of other
people did the same thing. Oh, nothing happened! That's because we
worked our asses off making sure that nothing would happen. Money
wasted I guess. Asshole.

Actually, virtually all scientists agree that the world is getting
warmer, and almost all agree that human activity is having an impact.
Even the lying *******s running our government sort of have to admit
it.

And yes, California may very well fall into the ocean. That doesn't
mean I don't go there sometimes. But sometime in the next few thousand
years it is going to have a nasty earthquake. Perhaps you can be there
to enjoy it.

And for your assertion that there is no global warming because it's
snowing outside, global warming means more energy in the atmosphere.
That means a more active atmosphere, with more extreme events. Colder
colds, hotter hots, deeper snows, heavier rains.

Useless to worry about it or try to do something about it, unless you
give a shit about our kids and their kids.

On Dec 19, 9:47 am, "Ryan P."
wrote:
dgk wrote:
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:35:21 -0500, "Clark..."
wrote:

Clark... wrote:
I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no
it was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick)
gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all
fricken day !
takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are
off to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my
grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet.
Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron...

Clark...

Two things,
1. could you tell my hands were cold and stiff when I typed the above? holy
crap...
2. Glad to see some guys in here don't buy into the Global warming thing.
but let's add to that, how about

California is going to fall into the ocean.

the Y2K joke. I worked for a good sized bank at the time and was on one of
the many Y2K testing and compliance teams.

spotted owls can only live in one kind of tree, then found nesting in a
store sign.

Clark...

Right, rip down all the ****ing trees, who cares? Dump more CO2 into
the oceans so they become more acidic and kill off the little beasties
that fish eat. Who cares? Well, maybe the folks that eat fish. And
anything else.

That's a bit of an extreme reaction, isn't it? Just because somebody
makes fun of whacko environmental extremists doesn't mean that they
think all nature should be burnt down.



Actually, virtually all scientists agree that the world is getting
warmer, and almost all agree that human activity is having an impact.
Even the lying *******s running our government sort of have to admit
it.

That's half false. Obviously, global warming occurs. However,
nothing approaching a majority of scientists agree that HUMANS are the
*main* factor.

Isn't it funny that all these melting glaciers are revealing ancient
forests? How can it be possible that only a few hundred years ago
Greenland was a bountiful colony, and within 100 years became too cold
to support pre-industrial civilization? How was the planet ever warm
enough before humans built their terrible, nasty, electricity-needing
civilizations? Clearly those ancient forests, tropical plant fossils in
the Antarctic, and sea creature fossils found on the tops of mountains
were put there by George W. Bush and other Republicans JUST so that they
can deny global warming!

And for your assertion that there is no global warming because it's
snowing outside, global warming means more energy in the atmosphere.
That means a more active atmosphere, with more extreme events. Colder
colds, hotter hots, deeper snows, heavier rains.

Who determines what the "perfect" global climate is? 10,000 years
ago, before cities and electricity, we were in an ice age. Was that the
perfect natural climate? 60,000,000 years ago most of the land mass was
tropical or sub-tropical in temperature. Was that perfect?- Hide quoted text -

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The above shows exactly what some of us are concerned about. You
can't even raise any question about global warming without being
attacked as some kind of neanderthal and called an ahole. The same
thing is happening in academic circles. Many scientists have a
choice to make. Raise legitimate questions about global warming and
be ridiculed, outcast, have your funding cut off, denied tenure, or
stay silent so others can claim there is no disagreement.

To your issue about Mars also seeing a rise in temp, I would add
this. According to current evidence, there have been 4 major cycles
of global warming and cooling going back about 700K years. This is
the common graph used to link CO2 with global warming. It's used by
Al Gore in his movie. It shows CO2 and the earth's temp rising and
falling together. However, it also shows that in every cycle, the
temp starts to rise a few hunderd to 1500 years BEFORE CO2 starts to
rise. I've yet to hear anyone explain that. Typical response I've
seen was from an alleged expert at a major university, who stated that
this only shows CO2 isn't responsible for the early part of the rise.
Huh? I would submit that if that answer were given to a question in
high school science, it wouldn't pass.

On the other hand, I've listened to an Ocean Sciences professor at MIT
who believes cycles in the output of the Sun is responsible for
increased warming of the Earth. The oceans are a major reservoir of
CO2 and as they get heated, just like a warming open bottle of soda,
they release CO2. And because the oceans are so deep, it takes
hundreds of years after the warming starts for the CO2 to increase.
Sounds pretty reasonable and it explains the graph, but like others,
this guy is dismissed as an ahole heretic by the true believers.

dgk wrote:

[....]

I love your Y2K joke. I worked my ass off fixing and testing computer
systems so they would function properly after 1999. Lots of other
people did the same thing. Oh, nothing happened! That's because we
worked our asses off making sure that nothing would happen. Money
wasted I guess. Asshole.

your work on things complex in nature that can not be seen,
held or even understood by the vast numbers of people whose
lives were indeed effected or altered by your work will
always remain unappreciated unaccepted and unacknowledged.

it is much the same with the work God Himself has done
for all of us.