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hydrogen sulfide is created by bacteria. in water it goes into solution as H2SO4,
sulfuric acid. of course, in a well both H2S and CO2 are under pressure and when
they are pumped out they de-gas. In the burbs outside Milwaukee well water can get
contaminated by the bacteria if there isnt a valve on the outside hoses to prevent
back flushing of soil (with bacteria) into the tank and then into the well. or, if
the well casing starts to break down letting soil into the well. IIRC the bacteria
feed off the iron in the water releasing the H2S. Anyway. the wells often need to
be cleaned by dumping bleach down in there and then flushed to get rid of the
bacteria. there is probably more H2S in the bottom of a typical pond than in well
water. soaker hoses dont stand up long to well water unless there are very good
filters on them. personal experience. Ingrid

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:27:57 -0600, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
Similar question here. How about hydrogen sulfide gas from well water. Its
filtered out before entering home plumbing. Hose bibs are connected to the
same home plumbing.

Normally, I use the 2 standalone faucets outside for irrigation. These have
no filtration whatsoever. Any special notes on soaker hoses for this
situation?

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In article ,
wrote:

hydrogen sulfide is created by bacteria. in water it goes into solution as
H2SO4,
sulfuric acid. of course, in a well both H2S and CO2 are under pressure and
when
they are pumped out they de-gas. In the burbs outside Milwaukee well water
can get
contaminated by the bacteria if there isnt a valve on the outside hoses to
prevent
back flushing of soil (with bacteria) into the tank and then into the well.
or, if
the well casing starts to break down letting soil into the well. IIRC the
bacteria
feed off the iron in the water releasing the H2S. Anyway. the wells often
need to
be cleaned by dumping bleach down in there and then flushed to get rid of the
bacteria. there is probably more H2S in the bottom of a typical pond than in
well
water. soaker hoses dont stand up long to well water unless there are very
good
filters on them. personal experience. Ingrid

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:27:57 -0600, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
Similar question here. How about hydrogen sulfide gas from well water. Its
filtered out before entering home plumbing. Hose bibs are connected to the
same home plumbing.

Normally, I use the 2 standalone faucets outside for irrigation. These have
no filtration whatsoever. Any special notes on soaker hoses for this
situation?


H2S + 2CO2 - H2SO4 + C2 doesn't make any sense. Makes all other
statements questionable.
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wrote:

there is a lot of water needed to backwash the resin (if paying for the
water) plus
the electricity. then there are the iron prefilters to replace. on my
mothers house
the water is very hard and she used a service, rented the equipment, somebody
carried
the bags down into the basement and filled the softener. $45 every 3 months.
She
had extensive gardens and I can see that it could have doubled the price if
she didnt
have well water for the gardens. this doesnt even include the price she paid
for
city water which I am not even sure how much that costs cause the renters pay
for
that now.
We dont have a softener. During 3 months we use about 12-15 ccf in winter,
about 30
or more ccf in summer. 30.0 ccf = $164.89. Remember that sewage fees are
based on
USAGE it doesnt matter if that water for the garden doesnt go down the drain.
Well
water costs nothing but the electricity to pump it and the pump replaced
every 25
years or so. Ingrid

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,
Sheldon wrote:

wrote:

not to mention is very expensive to use soft water. ?

What do you call "very expensive"?

A 40 pound bag of salt will typically produce about 6,000 gallons of
softened water... a 40 pound bag of salt costs about $4.50.

Actually that same $4.50 worth of salt can save the average household
about $45 worth of cleaning products each month... not to mention the
time and effort of cleaning, and will save more than 6,000 gallons of
water each month (mostly hot water) because softened water is just
that much more efficient at cleaning. Softened water is kind to your
plumbing too, will save untold thousands in plumbing bills over the
life of the water softener (about 20 years).

If one lives in a hard water locale *not* having a water softener is
VERY expensive.


This was about gardening Shelly, not plumbing. Toxification of the
landscape and all that. St. Molly used to say, when you find yourself in
a hole, stop digging.


Soft water is good for the bathtub/shower, laundry, and the dishwasher.
For drinking, hard water is probably better (mineral water).
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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:25:36 -0800, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

there is a lot of water needed to backwash the resin (if paying for the
water) plus
the electricity. then there are the iron prefilters to replace. on my
mothers house
the water is very hard and she used a service, rented the equipment, somebody
carried
the bags down into the basement and filled the softener. $45 every 3 months.
She
had extensive gardens and I can see that it could have doubled the price if
she didnt
have well water for the gardens. this doesnt even include the price she paid
for
city water which I am not even sure how much that costs cause the renters pay
for
that now.
We dont have a softener. During 3 months we use about 12-15 ccf in winter,
about 30
or more ccf in summer. 30.0 ccf = $164.89. Remember that sewage fees are
based on
USAGE it doesnt matter if that water for the garden doesnt go down the drain.
Well
water costs nothing but the electricity to pump it and the pump replaced
every 25
years or so. Ingrid

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:09:52 -0800, Billy wrote:

In article
,
Sheldon wrote:

wrote:

not to mention is very expensive to use soft water. ?

What do you call "very expensive"?

A 40 pound bag of salt will typically produce about 6,000 gallons of
softened water... a 40 pound bag of salt costs about $4.50.

Actually that same $4.50 worth of salt can save the average household
about $45 worth of cleaning products each month... not to mention the
time and effort of cleaning, and will save more than 6,000 gallons of
water each month (mostly hot water) because softened water is just
that much more efficient at cleaning. Softened water is kind to your
plumbing too, will save untold thousands in plumbing bills over the
life of the water softener (about 20 years).

If one lives in a hard water locale *not* having a water softener is
VERY expensive.

This was about gardening Shelly, not plumbing. Toxification of the
landscape and all that. St. Molly used to say, when you find yourself in
a hole, stop digging.


Soft water is good for the bathtub/shower, laundry, and the dishwasher.
For drinking, hard water is probably better (mineral water).



I think it depends on how hard it is and what else is in it. Out city
water tastes bad to me, it is very hard. It's no doubt better on a
health basis, except when it is so offensive that I don't drink it.

I use an RO filter for drinking water.
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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:20:15 -0800, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

hydrogen sulfide is created by bacteria. in water it goes into solution as
H2SO4,
sulfuric acid. of course, in a well both H2S and CO2 are under pressure and
when
they are pumped out they de-gas. In the burbs outside Milwaukee well water
can get
contaminated by the bacteria if there isnt a valve on the outside hoses to
prevent
back flushing of soil (with bacteria) into the tank and then into the well.
or, if
the well casing starts to break down letting soil into the well. IIRC the
bacteria
feed off the iron in the water releasing the H2S. Anyway. the wells often
need to
be cleaned by dumping bleach down in there and then flushed to get rid of the
bacteria. there is probably more H2S in the bottom of a typical pond than in
well
water. soaker hoses dont stand up long to well water unless there are very
good
filters on them. personal experience. Ingrid

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:27:57 -0600, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
Similar question here. How about hydrogen sulfide gas from well water. Its
filtered out before entering home plumbing. Hose bibs are connected to the
same home plumbing.

Normally, I use the 2 standalone faucets outside for irrigation. These have
no filtration whatsoever. Any special notes on soaker hoses for this
situation?


H2S + 2CO2 - H2SO4 + C2 doesn't make any sense. Makes all other
statements questionable.



The H2S in the well most likely comes from sulfate reducing bacteria
acting on sulfates that are already in the water.


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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:20:15 -0800, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

hydrogen sulfide is created by bacteria. in water it goes into solution as
H2SO4,
sulfuric acid. of course, in a well both H2S and CO2 are under pressure and
when
they are pumped out they de-gas. In the burbs outside Milwaukee well water
can get
contaminated by the bacteria if there isnt a valve on the outside hoses to
prevent
back flushing of soil (with bacteria) into the tank and then into the well.
or, if
the well casing starts to break down letting soil into the well. IIRC the
bacteria
feed off the iron in the water releasing the H2S. Anyway. the wells often
need to
be cleaned by dumping bleach down in there and then flushed to get rid of the
bacteria. there is probably more H2S in the bottom of a typical pond than in
well
water. soaker hoses dont stand up long to well water unless there are very
good
filters on them. personal experience. Ingrid

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:27:57 -0600, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
Similar question here. How about hydrogen sulfide gas from well water. Its
filtered out before entering home plumbing. Hose bibs are connected to the
same home plumbing.

Normally, I use the 2 standalone faucets outside for irrigation. These have
no filtration whatsoever. Any special notes on soaker hoses for this
situation?


H2S + 2CO2 - H2SO4 + C2 doesn't make any sense. Makes all other
statements questionable.



Sulfur dioxide and water combine to form sulfurous acid, H2SO3. This
slowly oxidizes to form sulfuric acid, H2SO4. Sulfur dioxide can also
oxidize to sulfur trioxide, which will then combine with water to form
sulfuric acid.

Sulfate reducing bacteria can remove the oxygen from the acid.

H2SO4 - H2S + 2O2

The H2SO4 while in water will be ionized and may be associated with
other cations, calcium, magnesium, the like. So the above description
is only a rough description of what is going on.
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"Ryan P." wrote:

Billy wrote:


H2S + 2CO2 - H2SO4 + C2 doesn't make any sense. Makes all other
statements questionable.

.
.
I don't know about the chemical equation there, but I do know that my
home inspector told me the same thing about making sure there was a
valve on the outside spigots to prevent backflow for that very reason...
also good for keeping fertilizers and the like out of your pipes.


H2SO4 is sulfuric acid. H2S + 2CO2 - H2SO4 + C2 doesn't make any sense.
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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:22:49 -0800, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
"Ryan P." wrote:

Billy wrote:


H2S + 2CO2 - H2SO4 + C2 doesn't make any sense. Makes all other
statements questionable.

.
.
I don't know about the chemical equation there, but I do know that my
home inspector told me the same thing about making sure there was a
valve on the outside spigots to prevent backflow for that very reason...
also good for keeping fertilizers and the like out of your pipes.


H2SO4 is sulfuric acid. H2S + 2CO2 - H2SO4 + C2 doesn't make any sense.



I think the CO2 was incidental to the discussion. There may be some
biological reactions where bacteria are removing the carbon from the
CO2, releasing oxygen, which then combines with the H2S, but that's
getting a bit far afield here. More frequently the bacteria remove
the oxygen from the sulfate, use it to metabolize some organic
compounds and release the CO2 from that metabolism.
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In article ,
Charles wrote:

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:20:15 -0800, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

hydrogen sulfide is created by bacteria. in water it goes into solution
as
H2SO4,
sulfuric acid. of course, in a well both H2S and CO2 are under pressure
and
when
they are pumped out they de-gas. In the burbs outside Milwaukee well
water
can get
contaminated by the bacteria if there isnt a valve on the outside hoses to
prevent
back flushing of soil (with bacteria) into the tank and then into the
well.
or, if
the well casing starts to break down letting soil into the well. IIRC the
bacteria
feed off the iron in the water releasing the H2S. Anyway. the wells
often
need to
be cleaned by dumping bleach down in there and then flushed to get rid of
the
bacteria. there is probably more H2S in the bottom of a typical pond than
in
well
water. soaker hoses dont stand up long to well water unless there are
very
good
filters on them. personal experience. Ingrid

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:27:57 -0600, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
Similar question here. How about hydrogen sulfide gas from well water.
Its
filtered out before entering home plumbing. Hose bibs are connected to
the
same home plumbing.

Normally, I use the 2 standalone faucets outside for irrigation. These
have
no filtration whatsoever. Any special notes on soaker hoses for this
situation?


H2S + 2CO2 - H2SO4 + C2 doesn't make any sense. Makes all other
statements questionable.



**Sulfur dioxide**

Flange head, we were talking about hydrogen sulfide, not sulfur dioxide.
You're an idiot. If you don't know the difference between sulfide and
sulfite, then don't respond to the question. H2S vs. SO2 (rotten eggs
vs. brimstone). What an imbecile.
Idiot. Moron. Get my drift?
and water combine to form sulfurous acid, H2SO3. This
slowly oxidizes to form sulfuric acid, H2SO4. Sulfur dioxide can also
oxidize to sulfur trioxide, which will then combine with water to form
sulfuric acid.

Sulfate reducing bacteria can remove the oxygen from the acid.

H2SO4 - H2S + 2O2

The H2SO4 while in water will be ionized and may be associated with
other cations, calcium, magnesium, the like. So the above description
is only a rough description of what is going on.

--

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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:39:37 -0800, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
Charles wrote:

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:20:15 -0800, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

hydrogen sulfide is created by bacteria. in water it goes into solution
as
H2SO4,
sulfuric acid. of course, in a well both H2S and CO2 are under pressure
and
when
they are pumped out they de-gas. In the burbs outside Milwaukee well
water
can get
contaminated by the bacteria if there isnt a valve on the outside hoses to
prevent
back flushing of soil (with bacteria) into the tank and then into the
well.
or, if
the well casing starts to break down letting soil into the well. IIRC the
bacteria
feed off the iron in the water releasing the H2S. Anyway. the wells
often
need to
be cleaned by dumping bleach down in there and then flushed to get rid of
the
bacteria. there is probably more H2S in the bottom of a typical pond than
in
well
water. soaker hoses dont stand up long to well water unless there are
very
good
filters on them. personal experience. Ingrid

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:27:57 -0600, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
Similar question here. How about hydrogen sulfide gas from well water.
Its
filtered out before entering home plumbing. Hose bibs are connected to
the
same home plumbing.

Normally, I use the 2 standalone faucets outside for irrigation. These
have
no filtration whatsoever. Any special notes on soaker hoses for this
situation?

H2S + 2CO2 - H2SO4 + C2 doesn't make any sense. Makes all other
statements questionable.



**Sulfur dioxide**

Flange head, we were talking about hydrogen sulfide, not sulfur dioxide.
You're an idiot. If you don't know the difference between sulfide and
sulfite, then don't respond to the question. H2S vs. SO2 (rotten eggs
vs. brimstone). What an imbecile.
Idiot. Moron. Get my drift?


No, I don't.

I started talking about sulfur dioxide because it was appropriate to
what I had to say. Not too complicated, is it?

What I was getting to was the H2S and the CO2 combination, CO2 drifted
into the thread some time ago.


and water combine to form sulfurous acid, H2SO3. This
slowly oxidizes to form sulfuric acid, H2SO4. Sulfur dioxide can also
oxidize to sulfur trioxide, which will then combine with water to form
sulfuric acid.

Sulfate reducing bacteria can remove the oxygen from the acid.

H2SO4 - H2S + 2O2

The H2SO4 while in water will be ionized and may be associated with
other cations, calcium, magnesium, the like. So the above description
is only a rough description of what is going on.




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In article ,
Charles wrote:

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:39:37 -0800, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
Charles wrote:

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:20:15 -0800, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

hydrogen sulfide is created by bacteria. in water it goes into
solution
as
H2SO4,
sulfuric acid. of course, in a well both H2S and CO2 are under
pressure
and
when
they are pumped out they de-gas. In the burbs outside Milwaukee well
water
can get
contaminated by the bacteria if there isnt a valve on the outside hoses
to
prevent
back flushing of soil (with bacteria) into the tank and then into the
well.
or, if
the well casing starts to break down letting soil into the well. IIRC
the
bacteria
feed off the iron in the water releasing the H2S. Anyway. the wells
often
need to
be cleaned by dumping bleach down in there and then flushed to get rid
of
the
bacteria. there is probably more H2S in the bottom of a typical pond
than
in
well
water. soaker hoses dont stand up long to well water unless there are
very
good
filters on them. personal experience. Ingrid

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:27:57 -0600, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
Similar question here. How about hydrogen sulfide gas from well
water.
Its
filtered out before entering home plumbing. Hose bibs are connected
to
the
same home plumbing.

Normally, I use the 2 standalone faucets outside for irrigation.
These
have
no filtration whatsoever. Any special notes on soaker hoses for this
situation?

H2S + 2CO2 - H2SO4 + C2 doesn't make any sense. Makes all other
statements questionable.


**Sulfur dioxide**

Flange head, we were talking about hydrogen sulfide, not sulfur dioxide.
You're an idiot. If you don't know the difference between sulfide and
sulfite, then don't respond to the question. H2S vs. SO2 (rotten eggs
vs. brimstone). What an imbecile.
Idiot. Moron. Get my drift?


No, I don't.

I started talking about sulfur dioxide because it was appropriate to
what I had to say. Not too complicated, is it?


Appropriate to what you had to say? How do you get from sulfides to
sulfites? Why don't you just start singing Ave Maria, it has about as
much to do with the conversation as sulfites. It certainly isn't
complicated to realize that you are cretin. And here you are trying to
rationalize your bullshit? You seem to be a waste of time and space.


What I was getting to was the H2S and the CO2 combination, CO2 drifted
into the thread some time ago.

In your ear, when? They are both volatile and leave solution as gases.


and water combine to form sulfurous acid, H2SO3. This
slowly oxidizes to form sulfuric acid, H2SO4. Sulfur dioxide can also
oxidize to sulfur trioxide, which will then combine with water to form
sulfuric acid.

Sulfate reducing bacteria can remove the oxygen from the acid.

H2SO4 - H2S + 2O2

The H2SO4 while in water will be ionized and may be associated with
other cations, calcium, magnesium, the like. So the above description
is only a rough description of what is going on.


In some other universe. We were talking about sulfides, H2S.

God, you are slow. OK. If you are 12 years old or younger, I forgive
you. If you are older, you have a lot of nerve wasting my time.

On other news fronts, the smoked spareribs were wonderful and and a big
hit. We are best buds with the family pets again:-)
--

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wrote in message news:47ccc853$0$1345
Remember that sewage fees are based on
USAGE it doesnt matter if that water for the garden doesnt go down the drain.
Well
water costs nothing but the electricity to pump it and the pump replaced every
25
years or so.


Where I live, the sewage fees are based on your winter (low) usage, so you don't
get charged for summer watering.


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Appreciate your input. I've done alot of homework regarding the anaerobic
bacteria that produce such gas, their typical habitats, and so forth. There
are pockets of water that are referred to as wells that have suitable
habitat for these bacteria, just as a peat bottomed pond does. These reside
there whether a well is drilled or not.

A one-way check valve at the bib can serve the same purpose you speak of.
Even though it wasn't designed for that in mind.

Nevertheless, the hydrogen sulfide gas originates from the well since day 1
it was tapped.

There are many considerations for "shocking" a well. That includes my
neighbors that may sharing the same water who may pump bleach, and drink it.
I prefer to deal with it as it is for my purposes without treatment for
irrigation.

The aerator in my filtration system forces air into the water while in a
storage bottle. This changes into sulfuric acid and sinks to the bottom of
the bottle. Every 24 hours, its mixed with incoming water and flushed to a
french drain automatically. The live oaks in the vicinity, and St.
Augustine grass above the french drain don't seem to mind it. The way I
look at it the acidity of the watered down sulfuric acid and the alkalinity
of the limestone rock and caliche native to the local area are doing
something good in the mix.
--
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My vote in this primary was for the lesser
of many evils...
wrote in message
. com...
hydrogen sulfide is created by bacteria. in water it goes into solution
as H2SO4,
sulfuric acid. of course, in a well both H2S and CO2 are under pressure
and when
they are pumped out they de-gas. In the burbs outside Milwaukee well
water can get
contaminated by the bacteria if there isnt a valve on the outside hoses to
prevent
back flushing of soil (with bacteria) into the tank and then into the
well. or, if
the well casing starts to break down letting soil into the well. IIRC the
bacteria
feed off the iron in the water releasing the H2S. Anyway. the wells
often need to
be cleaned by dumping bleach down in there and then flushed to get rid of
the
bacteria. there is probably more H2S in the bottom of a typical pond than
in well
water. soaker hoses dont stand up long to well water unless there are
very good
filters on them. personal experience. Ingrid

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:27:57 -0600, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
Similar question here. How about hydrogen sulfide gas from well water.
Its
filtered out before entering home plumbing. Hose bibs are connected to
the
same home plumbing.

Normally, I use the 2 standalone faucets outside for irrigation. These
have
no filtration whatsoever. Any special notes on soaker hoses for this
situation?



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In article , "Dioclese" NONE
wrote:

Appreciate your input. I've done alot of homework regarding the anaerobic
bacteria that produce such gas, their typical habitats, and so forth. There
are pockets of water that are referred to as wells that have suitable
habitat for these bacteria, just as a peat bottomed pond does. These reside
there whether a well is drilled or not.

A one-way check valve at the bib can serve the same purpose you speak of.
Even though it wasn't designed for that in mind.

Nevertheless, the hydrogen sulfide gas originates from the well since day 1
it was tapped.

There are many considerations for "shocking" a well. That includes my
neighbors that may sharing the same water who may pump bleach, and drink it.

I presume you are referring to chlorine being added to the well water.
This is done by most water districts to avoid people becoming sick from
drinking water with enteric (caca) bacteria in it. Locally, wells
connected to household water are checked for bacteria and those that are
high are shut down.
I prefer to deal with it as it is for my purposes without treatment for
irrigation.

The aerator in my filtration system forces air into the water while in a
storage bottle. This changes into sulfuric acid and sinks to the bottom of
the bottle.


??? Hydrogen sulfide can turn into an extremely weak acid.
H2S --- HS- + H+
Ka = 1.3Å~10-7 mol/L; pKa = 6.89.

Sulfuric (or sulfurous) acid, if it was present, would stay in solution
(homogeneously).

Every 24 hours, its mixed with incoming water and flushed to a
french drain automatically. The live oaks in the vicinity, and St.
Augustine grass above the french drain don't seem to mind it. The way I
look at it the acidity of the watered down sulfuric acid and the alkalinity
of the limestone rock and caliche native to the local area are doing
something good in the mix.
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Dave

My vote in this primary was for the lesser
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hydrogen sulfide is created by bacteria. in water it goes into solution
as H2SO4,
sulfuric acid. of course, in a well both H2S and CO2 are under pressure
and when
they are pumped out they de-gas. In the burbs outside Milwaukee well
water can get
contaminated by the bacteria if there isnt a valve on the outside hoses to
prevent
back flushing of soil (with bacteria) into the tank and then into the
well. or, if
the well casing starts to break down letting soil into the well. IIRC the
bacteria
feed off the iron in the water releasing the H2S.


2 Fe + 3 S + 3 H2O --- Fe2O3 + 3 (H2S)?

H2S often results from the bacterial break down of organic matter in the
absence of oxygen, such as in swamps and sewers (anaerobic digestion).

Anyway. the wells
often need to
be cleaned by dumping bleach down in there and then flushed to get rid of
the
bacteria. there is probably more H2S in the bottom of a typical pond than
in well
water. soaker hoses dont stand up long to well water unless there are
very good
filters on them. personal experience. Ingrid

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:27:57 -0600, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
Similar question here. How about hydrogen sulfide gas from well water.
Its
filtered out before entering home plumbing. Hose bibs are connected to
the
same home plumbing.

Normally, I use the 2 standalone faucets outside for irrigation. These
have
no filtration whatsoever. Any special notes on soaker hoses for this
situation?

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Dave

My vote in this primary was for the lesser
of many evils...


"But evil is still evil
In anybody's name"
~~ Don Henley "If Dirt Were Dollars"


Nice to have you back Professor:-)
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