Crabgrass and clover hell
 

I have been fighting trying to contain and eliminate crangrass all
summer long, but I think I am losing the battle :-( I tried local
spraying, and after multiple applications (4-5 applications), a week
or so apart, even increasing the concentration of the spray by a
factor of 2, all I got was real yellow grass in the area, but the
crabgras, that looked as if it was dieing, came back even stringer. I
also ries a more systemic approach of granules to the whole yars,
following the directions real carefully, and after two applications,
same thing. And now, the yeard is also being overrun by clover.

Help, how do I kill these parasites?

Jim
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Crabgrass and clover hell
 

On Sep 1, 7:12*pm, Jim S. wrote:
I have been fighting trying to contain and eliminate crangrass all
summer long, but I think I am losing the battle :-( *I tried local
spraying, and after multiple applications (4-5 applications), a week
or so apart, even increasing the concentration of the spray by a
factor of 2, all I got was real yellow grass in the area, but the
crabgras, that looked as if it was dieing, came back even stringer. *I
also ries a more systemic approach of granules to the whole yars,
following the directions real carefully, and after two applications,
same thing. *And now, the yeard is also being overrun by clover.

Help, how do I kill these parasites?

Jim
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Your location is critical to providing advice and without it we're
shooting in the dark. If you're anywhere where frost can be expected
next month, I'd say your best bet is to do nothing now. Wait until
Spring and apply a pre-emergent at the proper time.

If you really want to whack it now, Acclaim is very effective. You
have to buy it at an agricultural supply house or online, and it isn't
cheap. In my experience, the crabgrass killers sold at the home and
garden centers aren't very effective, if at all. Plus, now you have
mature plants. Any herbicide is going to work a lot better when the
plants are young.

For clover, general selective herbicides aren't very effective
either. Look for a product specifically made for clover and similar.
I know Ortho makes one.

Crabgrass and clover hell
 

apply the crab grass killer in early spring (March) If memory serves
when the temp is between 50 - 55 degrees.
Killing Clovers: Can be done almost anytime. I use a broad leave killer
from Lesco. basically you wet the grass with the sprinklers, apply the
Broad leave Herbicide, make sure it stays dry for 3 days and it goes
away. In the fall make sure you seed to thicken up the yard. Thick grass
helps prevent weeds from growing in the first place

Crabgrass and clover hell
 

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:55:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 1, 7:12*pm, Jim S. wrote:
I have been fighting trying to contain and eliminate crangrass all
summer long, but I think I am losing the battle :-( *I tried local
spraying, and after multiple applications (4-5 applications), a week
or so apart, even increasing the concentration of the spray by a
factor of 2, all I got was real yellow grass in the area, but the
crabgras, that looked as if it was dieing, came back even stringer. *I
also ries a more systemic approach of granules to the whole yars,
following the directions real carefully, and after two applications,
same thing. *And now, the yeard is also being overrun by clover.

Help, how do I kill these parasites?

Jim
** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

Your location is critical to providing advice and without it we're
shooting in the dark. If you're anywhere where frost can be expected
next month, I'd say your best bet is to do nothing now. Wait until
Spring and apply a pre-emergent at the proper time.

If you really want to whack it now, Acclaim is very effective. You
have to buy it at an agricultural supply house or online, and it isn't
cheap. In my experience, the crabgrass killers sold at the home and
garden centers aren't very effective, if at all. Plus, now you have
mature plants. Any herbicide is going to work a lot better when the
plants are young.

For clover, general selective herbicides aren't very effective
either. Look for a product specifically made for clover and similar.
I know Ortho makes one.

Oops, sorry. I am in Massachusetts, so we probably are going to get
frost next month :-)

O.K., so not much I can do at this time of the year, right, I need to
attack it early spring. I'll try. It's jusy that I have been trying
since early spring, and haven't neem able to do anything :-(

I'll also look at acclaim and see if there is a way to get a head
start for next year.

Thanks,
Jim
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Crabgrass and clover hell
 

On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:56:45 -0400, Peter Pan
wrote:

apply the crab grass killer in early spring (March) If memory serves
when the temp is between 50 - 55 degrees.
Killing Clovers: Can be done almost anytime. I use a broad leave killer
from Lesco. basically you wet the grass with the sprinklers, apply the
Broad leave Herbicide, make sure it stays dry for 3 days and it goes
away. In the fall make sure you seed to thicken up the yard. Thick grass
helps prevent weeds from growing in the first place


That's what everyone seems to say, wait till spring. I may try
acclaim this fall, like another poster suggested, but I'll plan to
attack it next spring.

As for the clover, I have tried 2-3 different broad leaf herbicides,
but no success.

I also like the idea of seeding in the fall. What's the best way to
do that? They resnt these seeders that make holes and deposit the
seeds. Do they work? If not, what should I do, before throwing seed
down? You can tell I am new at this :-(

Jim
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Crabgrass and clover hell
 

I would go to the local home depot or someplace that rents an aerator.
Be mindful, it's a lot of work using an aerator. Then seed over top
using a broadcast spreader. Also apply starter fertilizer.
Make sure you keep the seed wet, watering just about everyday. You
should see some excellent results in the spring.
Personally, I use nothing but Lesco Products, to include their seed
(Team Mates) It works well for me. I heard of their products from a
buddy of mine who is a landscaper. (www.lesco.com for a dealer near you)

I had problems with broad leaf until I went to Lesco same with their
Dimension Crabgrass Herbicide. They actually have a pre-emergent and a
post-emergent in their product so even if you miss the window for
applying it, it should still work.
Good luck

Crabgrass and clover hell
 

"Peter Pan" wrote in message
...
I would go to the local home depot or someplace that rents an aerator.
Be mindful, it's a lot of work using an aerator. Then seed over top
using a broadcast spreader. Also apply starter fertilizer.
Make sure you keep the seed wet, watering just about everyday. You
should see some excellent results in the spring.
Personally, I use nothing but Lesco Products, to include their seed
(Team Mates) It works well for me. I heard of their products from a
buddy of mine who is a landscaper. (www.lesco.com for a dealer near you)

I had problems with broad leaf until I went to Lesco same with their
Dimension Crabgrass Herbicide. They actually have a pre-emergent and a
post-emergent in their product so even if you miss the window for
applying it, it should still work.
Good luck

Doing the whole lawn all at once is more work than I want to get into. So
I mixup a wagon full of soil, peat moss, starter fertilizer and the seed I
like (Tall Fescue). Then we go around to the bad spots and scrape them with
a 4-pronged cultivator, sprinkle the mixture and tamp it down. Hopefully it
will rain. It seems to work well here in Eastern MA. I don't like wasting
money on herbacides especially since they only leave bare spots.

Crabgrass and clover hell
 

On Sep 1, 9:20*pm, Jim S. wrote:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:55:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Sep 1, 7:12*pm, Jim S. wrote:
I have been fighting trying to contain and eliminate crangrass all
summer long, but I think I am losing the battle :-( *I tried local
spraying, and after multiple applications (4-5 applications), a week
or so apart, even increasing the concentration of the spray by a
factor of 2, all I got was real yellow grass in the area, but the
crabgras, that looked as if it was dieing, came back even stringer. *I
also ries a more systemic approach of granules to the whole yars,
following the directions real carefully, and after two applications,
same thing. *And now, the yeard is also being overrun by clover.

Help, how do I kill these parasites?

Jim
** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

Your location is critical to providing advice and without it we're
shooting in the dark. * If you're anywhere where frost can be expected
next month, I'd say your best bet is to do nothing now. * Wait until
Spring and apply a pre-emergent at the proper time.

If you really want to whack it now, Acclaim is very effective. * You
have to buy it at an agricultural supply house or online, and it isn't
cheap. * In my experience, the crabgrass killers sold at the home and
garden centers aren't very effective, if at all. *Plus, now you have
mature plants. *Any herbicide is going to work a lot better when the
plants are young.

For clover, general selective herbicides aren't very effective
either. *Look for a product specifically made for clover and similar.
I know Ortho makes one.

Oops, sorry. *I am in Massachusetts, so we probably are going to get
frost next month :-)

O.K., so not much I can do at this time of the year, right, I need to
attack it early spring. *I'll try. *It's jusy that I have been trying
since early spring, and haven't neem able to do anything :-(

I'll also look at acclaim and see if there is a way to get a head
start for next year.

Thanks,
Jim
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Crabgrass pre-emergent in the spring. My rule of thumb is to apply
just before forsythias bloom.
I'd leave off the herbecides for now and over seed before frost. As
others suggest, I would not put in a lot of effort to seed.
If you knock the crabgrass back, you will probably need to seed again
next fall. I also use a weed and feed for weeds.

Crabgrass and clover hell
 

On Sep 2, 7:58*am, "Stubby"
wrote:
"Peter Pan" wrote in message

...

I would go to the local home depot or someplace that rents an aerator.
Be mindful, it's a lot of work using an aerator. Then seed over top
using a broadcast spreader. Also apply starter fertilizer.
Make sure you keep the seed wet, watering just about everyday. You
should see some excellent results in the spring.
Personally, I use nothing but Lesco Products, to include their seed
(Team Mates) It works well for me. *I heard of their products from a
buddy of mine who is a landscaper. (www.lesco.com*for a dealer near you)

I had problems with broad leaf until I went to Lesco same with their
Dimension Crabgrass Herbicide. They actually have a pre-emergent *and a
post-emergent in their product so even if you miss the window for
applying it, it should still work.
Good luck

Doing the whole lawn all at once is more work than I want to get into. * So
I mixup a wagon full of soil, peat moss, starter fertilizer and the seed I
like (Tall Fescue). *Then we go around to the bad spots and scrape them with
a 4-pronged cultivator, sprinkle the mixture and tamp it down. *Hopefully it
will rain. *It seems to work well here in Eastern MA. *I don't like wasting
money on herbacides especially since they only leave bare spots.


The most effective way of over-seeding is to use a slice seeder. You
can rent them from tool rental shops or Home Depot. It's fast and
cost effective. If the lawn needs aeration, you can also use that to
over-seed. Contrary to another poster, I wouldn't say either of these
is a lot of work. It goes really fast with the powered machines.
The hardest part is turning either of them around. So, if you have a
smaller lot, make sure you don't get a machine that is too big. On
straight runs, it goes really fast and easy. For 10,000 ft lawn, half
day rental is all you need.

Also, I'd go with Frank's advice to apply pre-emergent in Spring
around time Forsythias bloom. March is too early. Also the advice
to use Dimension is good, as it will not only prevent germination, but
also kill crabgrass seedlings.