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Is there anything i can use to kill clover in my lawn?i used some grass seed i had from work which was agricultor stuff,and it contained a lot of clover bigest mistake ive made!!
Also if left will it spread over the lawn?
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On Jun 24, 2:45*pm, chriz1 wrote:
Is there anything i can use to kill clover in my lawn?i used some grass
seed i had from work which was agricultor stuff,and it contained a lot
of clover bigest mistake ive made!!
Also if left will it spread over the lawn?
Thanks

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There are several selective herbicides that are effective on clover.
Check at your lawn and garden center or do a google search. The
general purpose broadleaf weed killer for lawns is not effective.

Unless there are large spots of it, clover is generally not a problem.
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On Jun 24, 2:45*pm, chriz1 wrote:
Is there anything i can use to kill clover in my lawn?i used some grass
seed i had from work which was agricultor stuff,and it contained a lot
of clover bigest mistake ive made!!
Also if left will it spread over the lawn?
Thanks

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There are several selective herbicides that are effective on clover.
Check at your lawn and garden center or do a google search. The
general purpose broadleaf weed killer for lawns is not effective.

Unless there are large spots of it, clover is generally not a problem.
its just spoiling the look of the lawn is there any ingridient i should look for on the bottle?
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On Jun 24, 1:45*pm, chriz1 wrote:
Is there anything i can use to kill clover in my lawn?i used some grass
seed i had from work which was agricultor stuff,and it contained a lot
of clover bigest mistake ive made!!
Also if left will it spread over the lawn?
Thanks

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There are several varieties of clover. Some, like crimson, is a
spring only variety, and some of of the whites are there for most of
the season. How it affects your lawn depends on what type you have.
And yes, it will spread over time.
As trader said, get a herbicide that will control clover without
harming your type of grass.

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;853026 Wrote:
On Jun 24, 2:45*pm, chriz1 wrote:-
Is there anything i can use to kill clover in my lawn?i used some
grass
seed i had from work which was agricultor stuff,and it contained a
lot
of clover bigest mistake ive made!!
Also if left will it spread over the lawn?
Thanks

--
chriz1-


There are several selective herbicides that are effective on clover.
Check at your lawn and garden center or do a google search. The
general purpose broadleaf weed killer for lawns is not effective.

Unless there are large spots of it, clover is generally not a problem.


its just spoiling the look of the lawn is there any ingridient i should
look for on the bottle?




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Chriz - it depends on what turfgrass you have. The UK has pretty specific
labelling requirements, so you'd be best off to go to a good nursery or turf
dealer and get their recommendation - then read the label and make sure the
product label does not say "Not for use on [insert your grass type]."
Chemicals which may be effective against clover or other lawn weeds are
harmful to certain varieties of turf. Just don't fall victim to the
weed-and-feed hype you may run into in the big box and discount stores.

In reality, the chemicals are probably unnecessary. A good turfgrass can
defeat clover if the general conditions are right. Unless the clover is
really predominant, if you simply take proper care of the lawn you can
expect the turf to graduallly crowd out the weeds. A little hand-pulling of
the most egregious weeds will help a lot. If you avoid demanding instant
gratification the lawn will improve with each passing week and one day
you'll wake up and realize you've achieved a quality lawn without using a
lot of chemicals and lime. You'll have saved a lot of money, time, and not
pushed a lot of chemicals, lime and nitrogen through the lawn and into the
water table.





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on 6/24/2009 2:45 PM (ET) chriz1 wrote the following:
Is there anything i can use to kill clover in my lawn?i used some grass
seed i had from work which was agricultor stuff,and it contained a lot
of clover bigest mistake ive made!!
Also if left will it spread over the lawn?
Thanks


Ortho Weed B Gon and others work. If you buy the concentrate, add some
liquid dish detergent to the mixture. Clover, and other waxy weeds, will
bead up and shed the liquid immediately, unless you add a surfactant
(one of which is detergent), which will allow the liquid to stick to the
leaves.
It is also beneficial to mow the lawn beforehand so that the weed killer
can get into the plant faster through the cut weed veins and stems.

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chriz1 wrote:
its just spoiling the look of the lawn is there any ingridient i should

look for on the bottle?

Yes! 245-t ester of silvex.. err that was banned via agent orange.

Clover
has a wax on its foliage and so most of the control product runs off on
application. You need a sticker additive that makes the spray cling such as
a spreader sticker product, or some say a small amount of dish detergent
helps with that.

Weed -b- gone concentrate kicks common clovers ass! 1.5 ounces per gallon
of water IIRC.
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On Jun 26, 3:27*pm, chriz1 wrote:
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;853229']chriz1 wrote:--
its just spoiling the look of the lawn is there any ingridient i
should-
look for on the bottle?
-
Yes! 245-t ester of silvex.. err that was banned via agent orange.


Clover
has a wax on its foliage and so most of the control product runs off
on
application. You need a sticker additive that makes the spray cling
such as
a spreader sticker product, or some say a small amount of dish
detergent
helps with that.


Weed -b- gone concentrate kicks common clovers ass! 1.5 ounces per
gallon
of water IIRC.


couldnt find that stuff anywhere,so bought some Verdon extra that was
in BQ,see how it goes.how much detergant do you think i need?

not much - about 6ml per liter (1oz/gal)

Red
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Quote:
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On Jun 26, 3:27*pm, chriz1 wrote:
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;853229']chriz1 wrote:--
its just spoiling the look of the lawn is there any ingridient i
should-
look for on the bottle?
-
Yes! 245-t ester of silvex.. err that was banned via agent orange.


Clover
has a wax on its foliage and so most of the control product runs off
on
application. You need a sticker additive that makes the spray cling
such as
a spreader sticker product, or some say a small amount of dish
detergent
helps with that.


Weed -b- gone concentrate kicks common clovers ass! 1.5 ounces per
gallon
of water IIRC.


couldnt find that stuff anywhere,so bought some Verdon extra that was
in BQ,see how it goes.how much detergant do you think i need?

not much - about 6ml per liter (1oz/gal)

Red
clothes powder ok?


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On Jun 27, 8:14*am, chriz1 wrote:
'Red[_2_ Wrote:





;853310']On Jun 26, 3:27*pm, chriz1
wrote:-
'Steve[_23_ Wrote:


-
;853229']chriz1 wrote:--
its just spoiling the look of the lawn is there any ingridient i
should-
look for on the bottle?
-
Yes! 245-t ester of silvex.. err that was banned via agent orange.-
-
Clover
has a wax on its foliage and so most of the control product runs off
on
application. You need a sticker additive that makes the spray cling
such as
a spreader sticker product, or some say a small amount of dish
detergent
helps with that.-
-
Weed -b- gone concentrate kicks common clovers ass! 1.5 ounces per
gallon
of water IIRC.-


couldnt find that stuff anywhere,so bought some Verdon extra that was
in BQ,see how it goes.how much detergant do you think i need?
-
not much - about 6ml per liter *(1oz/gal)


Red


clothes powder ok?

I never tried it but I would think not. Liquid dish soap is the most
commonly used product.

Red
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"chriz1" wrote in message
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'Steve[_23_ Wrote:
;853229']chriz1 wrote:--
its just spoiling the look of the lawn is there any ingridient i
should-
look for on the bottle?
-
Yes! 245-t ester of silvex.. err that was banned via agent orange.

Clover
has a wax on its foliage and so most of the control product runs off
on
application. You need a sticker additive that makes the spray cling
such as
a spreader sticker product, or some say a small amount of dish
detergent
helps with that.

Weed -b- gone concentrate kicks common clovers ass! 1.5 ounces per
gallon
of water IIRC.


couldnt find that stuff anywhere,so bought some Verdon extra

[--]



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Weed-b-gone contains 2-4-D, a known carcinogen, and MCPP, a suspected
carcinogen

Verdone Extra contains fluroxypyr, clopyralid and MCPA. It will damage or
kill some varieties of turf grasses, but perhaps not those in your area.
The label will tell you precisely which grasses are affected and will also
tell you how to apply it. Don't vary from the label instructions.

FYI - fluroxypyr is not licensed for homeowner use in the U.S., it is
licensed only for commercial applications, and only one application per year
is permitted. Clopyralid has been banned from lawns and ornamental sites in
portions of the U.S. MCPP is a potassium salt that is a possible
carcinogen. You're dealing with some potent chemicals here, particularly if
you have pets that walk in the grass or if you go outside barefoot. Take
extreme care in handling and consider wearing protection against an
accidental inhalation or contact with the product.

You could take the high road, and try instead to encourage the growth of
your turfgrass, which can crowd out the clover without adding these
pesticides to the atmosphere and water table.



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Weed-b-gone contains 2-4-D, a known carcinogen, and MCPP, a suspected

carcinogen




There is no consensus that 2-4-D is a carcinogen.


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i have applied it and about 4 hrs after doing so the leaf of the clover seems twisting as though it is dieing so seems to be doing the trick,even this early on!
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Weed-b-gone contains 2-4-D, a known carcinogen, and MCPP, a suspected

carcinogen




There is no consensus that 2-4-D is a carcinogen.

Wikipedia's summary:

"the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has classified 2,4-D
among the phenoxy acid herbicides MCPA and 2,4,5-T as a class 2B
carcinogen - possibly carcinogenic to humans. [6] A 1995 panel of 13
scientists reviewing studies on the carcinogenicity of 2,4-D had divided
opinions, but the predominant opinion was that it is possible that 2,4-D
causes cancer in humans.

A 1990 study of farmers in Nebraska, even when adjusting for exposure to
other chemicals, found that 2,4-D exposure substantially increased the risk
of Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL).[8] A 2000 study of 1517 former employees of
Dow Chemical Company who had been exposed to the chemical in manufacturing
or formulating 2,4-D found no significant increase in risk of mortality due
to NHL following 2,4-D exposure, but did find an increase in risk of
mortality due to amyotrophic lateral sclerosis."

Also: "The amine salt formulations can cause irreversible eye damage
(blindness); ester formulations are considered non-irritating to the eyes.
One study found that occupational exposure to 2,4-D caused male reproductive
problems, including dead and malformed sperm.[4]"

Another reliable source is the PAN pesticide directory, in which 2,4-D is
listed as one of their "Bad Actors" with "acute toxicity."

That's quite a string of negatives, especially when you consider there are
non-toxic alternatives available.


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