I live in Northern Lower Michigan. Sand country... We put in a lawn
(so-to-speak) a section at a time. Acre lot. We had a lot of dirt brought
in. I did it all with a hand shovel. At the end of last year i did a
stupid thing being a newbie. What I thought was liquid fertilizer was
Round-Up which I could have sworn was long gone from the previous year. How
long is half my yard going to be dead? There is nothing but sparce weeds
and moss growing where I sprayed. Of course it is burnt looking and yellow.
I am not sure but I don't even think the Round-Up was diluted. Any advice
would be appreciated.

Jay

On Sat, 17 May 2003 14:00:22 -0400, wrote:

I live in Northern Lower Michigan. Sand country... We put in a lawn
(so-to-speak) a section at a time. Acre lot. We had a lot of dirt
brought in. I did it all with a hand shovel. At the end of last year i
did a stupid thing being a newbie. What I thought was liquid fertilizer
was Round-Up which I could have sworn was long gone from the previous
year. How long is half my yard going to be dead? There is nothing but
sparce weeds and moss growing where I sprayed. Of course it is burnt
looking and yellow. I am not sure but I don't even think the Round-Up was
diluted. Any advice would be appreciated.

I'm figuring that you used a hose end sprayer to apply the round-up?
Are you completly sure that you applied round-up?
Either way, the round-up is totally inactive at the moment. It's safe to
reseed the area.

Some tips for the furtu
1 Never store fertilizers/ chemicals unmarked!!!
2 Never use a hosse end sprayer to apply chemicals/ fertilizer.
The water pressure in the hose varies and the amount of chemical/
fertilizer applied will vary also. Furthermore, it's quite possible that
you could contaminate your own water supply via the hose end sprayer. As
the water pressure varies, it can syphon the chemicals back into the
hose and into your house/well. If you must use a hose end sprayer, use a
check valve with it. Here's some more reading on the subject:
http://www.cumberlandud.com/alert1a.htm
3 If your looking for a product that will knock down weeds but not posion
your ground, look in to horticultrual vinegar. This will knock down your
weeds and you'll be able to re-seed the next day.
Better luck to you......


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"Timothy" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 May 2003 14:00:22 -0400, wrote:

I live in Northern Lower Michigan. Sand country... We put in a lawn
(so-to-speak) a section at a time. Acre lot. We had a lot of dirt
brought in. I did it all with a hand shovel. At the end of last year i
did a stupid thing being a newbie. What I thought was liquid fertilizer
was Round-Up which I could have sworn was long gone from the previous
year. How long is half my yard going to be dead? There is nothing but
sparce weeds and moss growing where I sprayed. Of course it is burnt
looking and yellow. I am not sure but I don't even think the Round-Up
was
diluted. Any advice would be appreciated.

I'm figuring that you used a hose end sprayer to apply the round-up?
Are you completly sure that you applied round-up?
Either way, the round-up is totally inactive at the moment. It's safe to
reseed the area.

Some tips for the furtu
1 Never store fertilizers/ chemicals unmarked!!!
2 Never use a hosse end sprayer to apply chemicals/ fertilizer.
The water pressure in the hose varies and the amount of chemical/
fertilizer applied will vary also. Furthermore, it's quite possible that
you could contaminate your own water supply via the hose end sprayer. As
the water pressure varies, it can syphon the chemicals back into the
hose and into your house/well. If you must use a hose end sprayer, use a
check valve with it. Here's some more reading on the subject:
http://www.cumberlandud.com/alert1a.htm
3 If your looking for a product that will knock down weeds but not posion
your ground, look in to horticultrual vinegar. This will knock down your
weeds and you'll be able to re-seed the next day.
Better luck to you......


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Thanks for the reply, Timothy. The product in question was delivered
through a pump sprayer. This is very embarrassing as I am a carpet cleaner
owner/operator. My stuff is labeled in the van...So do you think the same
will go as far as what you said before since it wasn't diluted much-if at
all? I am anxious to get seed down since we had a late spring.
Thanks for the low-down on the #2 of your post. It makes total sense.

On Sat, 17 May 2003 16:26:02 -0400, wrote:


Thanks for the reply, Timothy. The product in question was delivered
through a pump sprayer. This is very embarrassing as I am a carpet
cleaner owner/operator. My stuff is labeled in the van...So do you think
the same will go as far as what you said before since it wasn't diluted
much-if at all? I am anxious to get seed down since we had a late spring.
Thanks for the low-down on the #2 of your post. It makes total sense.

I firmly believe that the herbicide is no longer active. If it was truly
round-up, even at concentrated levels, it should be completly washed out
of the soil by now. Round-up has a half life of 2 to 4 weeks... so it
would be totally inactive with in 4 to 8 weeks.

What you can do at this point...
You could spray the weed/lawn area with round-up ( I personally prefer
finale as a herbicide due to it's short half life ), wait 2 weeks and
re-seed.

When I can, I try to use chemicals that are less harmful to people and the
enviroment. The product Finale is a herbicide that containts
Glufosinate-Ammonium. It ( in my humble opinion ) is safer to the public
and the enviroment than round-up due to it's short half life and due to
the bacterial break down of the product in the soil. It's less likely to
move through the soil and contaminate the ground water. Granted, finale
doesn't have the longevity of round-up but if your looking for longevity
you should be looking for a pre-emergent such as 2,4-d in my opinion.

I decide on which herbicide to use using a couple different factors.
For light weed infestations or if your looking just to 'knock down'
weeds/grass, then I select horticultral vinegar. If the outside temps are
not high enough for the vinegar ( 70 or above ) I tend to use finale with
an added herbicide sticker. For heavy infestations or brush, I tend to use
a product called crossbow. It is in a nut shell triclopyr,2,4-D and
kerosene. It is completely nasty stuff but sometime nessasary.
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"Timothy" wrote:
Granted, finale
doesn't have the longevity of round-up but if your looking for longevity
you should be looking for a pre-emergent such as 2,4-d in my opinion.

2,4-D is a post emergent herbicide.

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On Sun, 18 May 2003 00:29:37 +0000, Moparholi wrote:

"Timothy" wrote:
Granted, finale
doesn't have the longevity of round-up but if your looking for longevity
you should be looking for a pre-emergent such as 2,4-d in my opinion.

2,4-D is a post emergent herbicide.

2,4-d is found in post emergent herbicides, but is also found in
pre-emergents such as casron.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...carson&spell=1
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"Timothy" wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2003 00:29:37 +0000, Moparholi wrote:

"Timothy" wrote:
Granted, finale
doesn't have the longevity of round-up but if your looking for
longevity you should be looking for a pre-emergent such as 2,4-d in my
opinion.

2,4-D is a post emergent herbicide.

2,4-d is found in post emergent herbicides,

No, 2,4-D -IS- a post emergent herbicide. It is -NOT- a pre emergent
herbicide.

but is also found in
pre-emergents such as casron.

You are funny,the article you link to is written by Janet B Carson.

There is no 'Carson' herbicide. Try reading it first. sheesh

In the Garden
By: Janet B. Carson

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=2,
4-D++pre+emergent+carson&spell=1

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"Timothy" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 May 2003 16:26:02 -0400, wrote:


Thanks for the reply, Timothy. The product in question was delivered
through a pump sprayer. This is very embarrassing as I am a carpet
cleaner owner/operator. My stuff is labeled in the van...So do you
think
the same will go as far as what you said before since it wasn't diluted
much-if at all? I am anxious to get seed down since we had a late
spring.
Thanks for the low-down on the #2 of your post. It makes total sense.

I firmly believe that the herbicide is no longer active. If it was truly
round-up, even at concentrated levels, it should be completly washed out
of the soil by now. Round-up has a half life of 2 to 4 weeks... so it
would be totally inactive with in 4 to 8 weeks.

What you can do at this point...
You could spray the weed/lawn area with round-up ( I personally prefer
finale as a herbicide due to it's short half life ), wait 2 weeks and
re-seed.

When I can, I try to use chemicals that are less harmful to people and the
enviroment. The product Finale is a herbicide that containts
Glufosinate-Ammonium. It ( in my humble opinion ) is safer to the public
and the enviroment than round-up due to it's short half life and due to
the bacterial break down of the product in the soil. It's less likely to
move through the soil and contaminate the ground water. Granted, finale
doesn't have the longevity of round-up but if your looking for longevity
you should be looking for a pre-emergent such as 2,4-d in my opinion.

I decide on which herbicide to use using a couple different factors.
For light weed infestations or if your looking just to 'knock down'
weeds/grass, then I select horticultral vinegar. If the outside temps are
not high enough for the vinegar ( 70 or above ) I tend to use finale with
an added herbicide sticker. For heavy infestations or brush, I tend to use
a product called crossbow. It is in a nut shell triclopyr,2,4-D and
kerosene. It is completely nasty stuff but sometime nessasary.
Good luck with the lawn.....
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Thanks you guys. I just got back from the local franchese depot store but
no hort. vinegar. They/he didn't know of it but from what I seen online
after you told me makes me want to try it. Thanks again.

"Timothy" wrote in message
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2 Never use a hosse end sprayer to apply chemicals/ fertilizer.
The water pressure in the hose varies and the amount of chemical/
fertilizer applied will vary also. Furthermore, it's quite possible that
you could contaminate your own water supply via the hose end sprayer. As
the water pressure varies, it can syphon the chemicals back into the
hose and into your house/well. If you must use a hose end sprayer, use a
check valve with it. Here's some more reading on the subject:

I don't know where you live, but where I live backfeed preventers are
required on all outdoor sillcocks. Also, it would take quite a siphon to
get chemical through a few hundred feet of hose back into your indoor
plumbing system...

It is VERY tedious to apply something like Weed-B-Gone with anything but a
hose-end sprayer, on all but the smallest lots...

-Tim

wrote in message
...
[snip Mopar revealing that Timothy doesn't know what he's talking about...]

Looks like another armchair expert, Mo. First a lecture on the dangers of
hose-end sprayers, now 2,4D is a pre-emergant. Wow.

I wonder what his opinion on dogs lifting their legs to pee is? grin

-Tim

"Tim Fischer" wrote:
wrote in message
...
[snip Mopar revealing that Timothy doesn't know what he's talking
about...]

Looks like another armchair expert, Mo. First a lecture on the dangers
of hose-end sprayers, now 2,4D is a pre-emergant. Wow.

I wonder what his opinion on dogs lifting their legs to pee is? grin

-Tim

I'll stay out of that one this time, Tim.

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On Mon, 19 May 2003 04:08:58 +0000, Tim Fischer wrote:

"Timothy" wrote in message
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2 Never use a hosse end sprayer to apply chemicals/ fertilizer.
The water pressure in the hose varies and the amount of chemical/
fertilizer applied will vary also. Furthermore, it's quite possible
that you could contaminate your own water supply via the hose end
sprayer. As the water pressure varies, it can syphon the chemicals
back into the hose and into your house/well. If you must use a hose
end sprayer, use a check valve with it. Here's some more reading on
the subject:

I don't know where you live, but where I live backfeed preventers are
required on all outdoor sillcocks. Also, it would take quite a siphon to
get chemical through a few hundred feet of hose back into your indoor
plumbing system...

It is VERY tedious to apply something like Weed-B-Gone with anything but a
hose-end sprayer, on all but the smallest lots...


It's very possible that they have laws about the backflow preventers here.
I'm not sure of that though. If it was such a streach to siphon chemicals
that distance... then why the requirements on all out door sillcocks?

I find it far easier to apply chemicals in a broadcast spreader. You get
very consistant application rates with a spreader than you do with a hose
end. The hose end sprayers are calibrated to 60 psi ( average street
pressure ), but have the water department come and test your pressure and
you'll find that it's not consistant. The water pressure with vary normaly
and it will vary even greater when people are in the house doing dishes,
flushing tolites and other wise using the system.

Here's what the epa and others have on the subject.
http://www.epa.gov/safewater/tcr/pdf/ccrwhite.pdf
http://www.gov.ca./enla/rmed/p2/chap8.pdf
http://www.cityofbellevue.org/page.asp?view=2053

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On 19 May 2003 11:04:38 GMT, wrote:


I'll stay out of that one this time, Tim.

With 60,000 newsgroups your on this one too.?

On Mon, 19 May 2003 04:11:32 +0000, Tim Fischer wrote:

wrote in message
... [snip Mopar revealing that
Timothy doesn't know what he's talking about...]

Looks like another , Mo. First a lecture on the dangers of
hose-end sprayers, now 2,4D is a pre-emergant. Wow.

I wonder what his is? grin

-Tim

Moparholic was correct about the 2,4-d. I admit.. I messed up. I miss
spelled casoron for starts and I was thinking that casoron had 2,4-d in it
instead of 2,6. I seem to me that last years pallet of casoron 4-g had
2,4-d in the ingredents list... but I didn't keep any of my empty bags
from last year. I'll ask my cenix chem guy (also named tim) the next time
I run into him. But granted, this years pallet doesn't have 2,4-d and
possibly never did.

As far as being an "armchair expert" goes.... I'm not perfect. I do
understand my job though and I run a rather successful business. My
customers haven't any issues with my service nor have I ever lost a
customer due to improper service. I have completed the master gardeners
program, I have been in business for 5 years, I was a hot house opperator
for 2 years, I did hardscaping for 3 years and did maintainance for about
the same amount of time. Previous to that, I grew up in the ohio valley
next to an apple and christmas tree farm that I would work at and learned at
the heals of twin brothers who are master tree farmers. All in all, I'm
rather well rounded I believe. What is it that you do that qualifies you
as an "expert"?

My opinion on dogs lifting their legs to pee... It's great if their able
to do so as long as they don't do it in the same spot everytime. If they
do, get a slingshot and some dog food to shoot at them. Getting shot with
a piece of dog food hurt's, but isn't deadly..............

Btw, hose end sprayer are dangerous in the wrong hands.


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On Sun, 18 May 2003 02:38:58 +0000, Moparholi wrote:

"Timothy" wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2003 00:29:37 +0000, Moparholi wrote:

"Timothy" wrote:
Granted, finale
doesn't have the longevity of round-up but if your looking for
longevity you should be looking for a pre-emergent such as 2,4-d in
my opinion.

2,4-D is a post emergent herbicide.

2,4-d is found in post emergent herbicides,

No, 2,4-D -IS- a post emergent herbicide. It is -NOT- a pre emergent
herbicide.

but is also found in
pre-emergents such as casron.

You are funny,the article you link to is written by Janet B Carson.

There is no 'Carson' herbicide. Try reading it first. sheesh

In the Garden
By: Janet B. Carson

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=2,
4-D++pre+emergent+carson&spell=1


Thanks for catching my screw up. Help's to keep me honest and
informed.............
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