The City of Aurora Colorado recently had a committee meeting voting to
ban keeping honeybees in residential areas. The crux of the matter
came down to a person who is allergic to honeybee stings convincing 2
of the 3 committee members that allowing honeybees to be kept in
residential areas would endanger her life. Although she lives in fear
of her life she has not sought out desensitization but feels that
banning honeybees is a better safety measure. The local paper printed
an article about the committee meeting.

http://www.zwire.com/site/News.cfm?B...A G=461&rfi=9

I am urging any of you who feel that urban gardeners should have the
availability of pollination for their different fruits and other crops
to read the article and then post your comments at the end.

Thank you.

Tom

Tom Patterson wrote in message
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The City of Aurora Colorado recently had a committee meeting voting to
ban keeping honeybees in residential areas. The crux of the matter
came down to a person who is allergic to honeybee stings convincing 2
of the 3 committee members that allowing honeybees to be kept in
residential areas would endanger her life. Although she lives in fear
of her life she has not sought out desensitization but feels that
banning honeybees is a better safety measure. The local paper printed
an article about the committee meeting.


http://www.zwire.com/site/News.cfm?B...sid=7030971&PA
G=461&rfi=9

I am urging any of you who feel that urban gardeners should have the
availability of pollination for their different fruits and other crops
to read the article and then post your comments at the end.

That really sucks, and is a good example of what's going wrong with our
country today,
however if pollination is your only concern use Bumble Bees.
Also if you have some extra money, sue the city.


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Lord of all I survey | now alittle to the left,
with my very narrow vision | a little more...
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In article k.net,
I am urging any of you who feel that urban gardeners should have the
availability of pollination for their different fruits and other crops
to read the article and then post your comments at the end.

Best quote in the article (from a reader comment):

"Removing all bees from the city will not make the city a safe place for that allergic
person. They are still at risk from wasps and wild bees that don't know how to read city
ordinances."

HA

Cheers
KJ
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Rizzo: You mean the one with the goat and the dwarf and the jar of peanut butter?

In article , Tom Patterson
wrote:

The City of Aurora Colorado recently had a committee meeting voting to
ban keeping honeybees in residential areas. The crux of the matter
came down to a person who is allergic to honeybee stings convincing 2
of the 3 committee members that allowing honeybees to be kept in
residential areas would endanger her life. Although she lives in fear
of her life she has not sought out desensitization but feels that
banning honeybees is a better safety measure. The local paper printed
an article about the committee meeting.


http://www.zwire.com/site/News.cfm?B...A G=461&rfi=9

I am urging any of you who feel that urban gardeners should have the
availability of pollination for their different fruits and other crops
to read the article and then post your comments at the end.

Thank you.

Tom

Honey bees are banned where I live.
I don't mind so much that so many people are just ****ing crazy. The
annoying thing is the craziest ones end up in government wearing
normal-masks as they destroy the world or march our children into war.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

In article k.net,

I am urging any of you who feel that urban gardeners should have the
availability of pollination for their different fruits and other crops
to read the article and then post your comments at the end.

Kelly Garner wrote:

Best quote in the article (from a reader comment):

"Removing all bees from the city will not make the city a safe place for that allergic
person. They are still at risk from wasps and wild bees that don't know how to read city
ordinances."

*laugh* I must also confess that I am a gardener with a fairly severe
allergic reaction to bee stings. Best course of action is to simply
keep an epipen in the house not to ban bees. To be honest, you leave
them alone and they don't usually bother you.

Susan
s h simko at duke dot edu

p.s. The only times I've been stung has been while walking in sandals
when I've managed to pick up a bee and flip it up between my foot and
the sandal.

(paghat) wrote in message ...
In article , Tom Patterson
wrote:

The City of Aurora Colorado recently had a committee meeting voting to
ban keeping honeybees in residential areas. The crux of the matter
came down to a person who is allergic to honeybee stings convincing 2
of the 3 committee members that allowing honeybees to be kept in
residential areas would endanger her life. Although she lives in fear
of her life she has not sought out desensitization but feels that
banning honeybees is a better safety measure. The local paper printed
an article about the committee meeting.


http://www.zwire.com/site/News.cfm?B...A G=461&rfi=9

I am urging any of you who feel that urban gardeners should have the
availability of pollination for their different fruits and other crops
to read the article and then post your comments at the end.

Thank you.

Tom

Honey bees are banned where I live.
I don't mind so much that so many people are just ****ing crazy. The
annoying thing is the craziest ones end up in government wearing
normal-masks as they destroy the world or march our children into war.

-paghat the ratgirl

Hey, there, Paghat, my fellow Raindog, long time no see!
Put me down in favor of pollination!
I say we send Michael Jackson after Saddam Hussein thereby solving two
problems at once.

Lee Hall
Zone 6B - Tennessee

"Removing all bees from the city will not make the city a safe place for that allergic
person. They are still at risk from wasps and wild bees that don't know how to read city
ordinances."

Funny thing is that 9 times out of 10 it is a wasp that has stung
someone, not a bee. Bee's usually don't sting unless they are
panniced or they are defending their colony. Bees are a social insect
instinctually flea from danger, where a wasp is an independent insect
instinctually attacking danger. I'm a beekeeper and am sick and
tiered of people always blaming bees for there sting. Wasps are the
aggressors, and if people actually payed attention, they could very
easily tell what stung them. A bee leaves her barbed stinger venom
sack, a wasp leaves only a welt b/c she has no barb. It seems the
hives that tend to bother people are the ones that aren't hidden from
sight.
Anyhow, another extremly efficient pollinating non stinging insect is
the Orchard Bee. They are very easy to keep and just about as good at
pollinating as the honey bee.

Wasp stings are probably far more common (from personal experiece I'd
agree), but I'm not sure what you mean when you say that wasps are
"independent". 'Social' doesn't describe the insect's disposition; it
refers to the fact that they live in a colony and most of the common
wasps that people worry about (hornets, yellowjackets, etc.) are also
"social". The solitary or "independent" wasps (and solitary bees, too)
are far less aggressive (except to their prey!). You sort of leave the
impression that wasps go out of their way to attack people, but my
experience has been that it's typically the result of accidental
encounters, such as stepping on/near a nest in the ground, tucked
into a shrub near a house, etc., or else in the fall when people
encounter them around picnic tables, trashcans and recycle bins.

Also, Orchard bees are "non-stinging" by virtue of their mellow
dispostions, but they have stingers and can sting if provoked for some
reason.




Ian wrote:
"Removing all bees from the city will not make the city a safe place for that allergic
person. They are still at risk from wasps and wild bees that don't know how to read city
ordinances."


Funny thing is that 9 times out of 10 it is a wasp that has stung
someone, not a bee. Bee's usually don't sting unless they are
panniced or they are defending their colony. Bees are a social insect
instinctually flea from danger, where a wasp is an independent insect
instinctually attacking danger. I'm a beekeeper and am sick and
tiered of people always blaming bees for there sting. Wasps are the
aggressors, and if people actually payed attention, they could very
easily tell what stung them. A bee leaves her barbed stinger venom
sack, a wasp leaves only a welt b/c she has no barb. It seems the
hives that tend to bother people are the ones that aren't hidden from
sight.
Anyhow, another extremly efficient pollinating non stinging insect is
the Orchard Bee. They are very easy to keep and just about as good at
pollinating as the honey bee.


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Dept. of Entomology, NCSU-Box 7613, Raleigh, NC USA 27695-7613
Ph: (919) 515-8881 Fax: (919) 515-7746
Email:
http://entomology.ncsu.edu/DIRECTORY/waldvogel.html
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(Ian) writes:
Funny thing is that 9 times out of 10 it is a wasp that has stung
someone, not a bee. Bee's usually don't sting unless they are
panniced or they are defending their colony. Bees are a social insect
instinctually flea from danger, where a wasp is an independent insect
instinctually attacking danger. I'm a beekeeper and am sick and
tiered of people always blaming bees for there sting. Wasps are the
aggressors, and if people actually payed attention, they could very
easily tell what stung them. A bee leaves her barbed stinger venom
sack, a wasp leaves only a welt b/c she has no barb. It seems the
hives that tend to bother people are the ones that aren't hidden from
sight.
Anyhow, another extremly efficient pollinating non stinging insect is
the Orchard Bee. They are very easy to keep and just about as good at
pollinating as the honey bee.

Even people living in an apartment block can keep a hive of bees.
An organic food store near me used to have a hive of bees inside the
store, with a plastic plumbers pipe winding up along the wall to exit
via a hole in the brickwork. A small platform made it easier for the
heavily laden incoming bees to land. I can't remember whether the pipe
was transparent or not (I guess it probably was, for the hive was a
display exhibit to interest the store's customers).

I can picture a determined apartment dweller might use his balcony as
the exit point for his bees to better diffuse their flight paths to
keep the hive from the notice of potential troublemakers. (Bees dump
their dead at the hive entrance, so arrange for this to be on your
balcony rather than have spent carcasses drop down to the balcony or
open window of residents below!). It would be a good idea to cap the
hive exit at night to stop a few curious bees from being attracted to
your lights (and, more crucially, those of your neighbours), but make
sure you remove the block before sunrise to allow the workers to go
about their business. Bees are early risers.

Just see and make sure that you secure the hive components so that it
can withstand a good jolt (even an earthquake) without coming apart!
You don't ever want to have to contend with a roomful of angry bees.
One last point: avoid the use of fly sprays, strong perfumes,
smouldering mosquito coils, and roach bombs! Bees understand that
persistent smoke means a bushfire is approaching, so they start packing
their bags ready to move out. Bees perform their own airconditioning,
so they probably would fare better where the apartment has none.

I think there is a sci.agriculture.beekeeping newsgroup, too.
--
John Savage (for email, replace "ks" with "k" and delete "n")

I have been toying with the idea of setting up a small hive because:
#1 I need help in pollination--sometimes that paint brush requires more time
than I care to spend. (Sure we get wind storms all the time, but never when
you need them!)
#2 I use bees wax for painting my eggs
#3 I LOVE HONEY and use it in so many of my beauty products
Do you have any helps or an honest place to go for a small beginners hive
kit? I like the look of the natural skep's (I think that's what they are
called) and understand these may not be a lasting or a good option. I simply
mentioned them for the asthetics as we get many visitors to our Gardens.

I have over 100 acres but just want to start with the bare minimum of hives
for a healthy colony (I don't want to take care of all the acres till I know
what I am doing. Right now my understanding of bee keeping is
bee=honey---lol) I have read many books from the library though. In the
winter months here I could easily move the hive to the barn.

I have checked around local and well, most of the bee keepers don't want you
doing it, they simply want you to lease their hives and keep all their honey
and charge you---LOL

Bee's sting, but we will never rid the world of them so accept them. True
people are allergic to them and people die from them, but the last time I
checked the air we breath near processing plants kills more people than bees
and we will never rid the world of them. How about the number of people
drunks kill? In a perfect world we would all live with no disease or
illness and never age----till that day, take the good with the bad and drive
on!

Wasps I hate, but I find placing a small shrimp into a wasp catcher works
great by day two that shrimp smells and attracts them.

I purchased one year a wasp killing kit and the buggers made their comb in
it----I left them alone and laughed the whole season every time I walked
near it.

Timber
www.timberslodge.net
....a Step Through Time


"Ian" wrote in message
om...
"Removing all bees from the city will not make the city a safe place for
that allergic
person. They are still at risk from wasps and wild bees that don't know
how to read city
ordinances."

Funny thing is that 9 times out of 10 it is a wasp that has stung
someone, not a bee. Bee's usually don't sting unless they are
panniced or they are defending their colony. Bees are a social insect
instinctually flea from danger, where a wasp is an independent insect
instinctually attacking danger. I'm a beekeeper and am sick and
tiered of people always blaming bees for there sting. Wasps are the
aggressors, and if people actually payed attention, they could very
easily tell what stung them. A bee leaves her barbed stinger venom
sack, a wasp leaves only a welt b/c she has no barb. It seems the
hives that tend to bother people are the ones that aren't hidden from
sight.
Anyhow, another extremly efficient pollinating non stinging insect is
the Orchard Bee. They are very easy to keep and just about as good at
pollinating as the honey bee.

"Timber" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I have been toying with the idea of setting up a small hive because:
#1 I need help in pollination--sometimes that paint brush requires more
time
than I care to spend. (Sure we get wind storms all the time, but never
when
you need them!)
#2 I use bees wax for painting my eggs
#3 I LOVE HONEY and use it in so many of my beauty products
Do you have any helps or an honest place to go for a small beginners hive
kit? I like the look of the natural skep's (I think that's what they are
called) and understand these may not be a lasting or a good option. I
simply
mentioned them for the asthetics as we get many visitors to our Gardens.


A lot will depend on where you are but the best thing is to join your local
beekeepers club and ask thier advice. I wouldn't start with skeps because
you necessarily have to largely kill off the colony to extract the honey,
which often ends up tainted by all the larvae you'll strain out. A good
modern hive with moveable frames and a queen excluder (stops her laying
amongst the main honey stock) is much more manageable and allows you to look
after your bees easily with no losses to harvest the honey. If you need a
pretty hive the WBC is the layered one often painted white and seen in many
illustrations, but many beekeepers in the UK and US (including me) use
Nationals or Langstroths. I would recommend getting a number of modern
beekeeping books from the library and reading them carefully, then start
with one hive that you can learn to handle (I've had mine two years now and
it took a lot of trail and error and one hospitalization before I worked out
just how to handle the bees so that they don't sting me too badly and I dont
cause them unnecessary distress). If you start small you can learn to handle
tyour bees so you get excellent supplies and the bees do not have any
unnecessary aggrevation, and do make sure you discuss the nature of the bees
with yor supplier, if you have a lot of visitors you need a really docile
strain.
There are a few beekeeping newsgroups out there and it is definately worth
spending a few months getting advice and listening in before you take the
plunge, I adore my bees and wouldn't be without them, but I sensitized to
their stings over the first year and they could easily kill me now if I
mishandle them, so caution is a good thing!
I wish you much joy with your bees!
Sally

I think it is a great idea to start a small hobby beekeeping
operation. The bees will facinate you to no end. Visit the form site
www.beesource.com, it is loaded with great tips and advice. There is
a specific form for beginner beekeeper, so no question is left
unanswered.
Buy your bees after you have researched them a bit. They are a bit of
an envestment of time and money, but will pay you loads of dividends
with honey and pollination services.

Ian

Mike Waldvogel, PhD
Extension Specialist, Residential & Industrial Pests
Dept. of Entomology, NCSU-Box 7613, Raleigh, NC USA 27695-7613
Ph: (919) 515-8881 Fax: (919) 515-7746
Email:
Wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean when you say that wasps are
"independent". 'Social' doesn't describe the insect's disposition;

I can see that from my previous comments, I'm going to have to explain
my reasoning a bit better. This is how "I" understand honeybee and
wasp behaviour so bear with me.
Honeybees require the function of the colony at all times to survive
from year to year. They depend on eachother to perform various tasks
within the colony to maintain colony cohesion and keep social order.
A honeybee at any given time throughout the year could not survive
without the colony function.
Wasps function as a colony only for part of the year, wintering and
propagateing independly. Sucsessfully wintered queens emerge from
hibernation and independenly start a new nest. Raised females take
over her job of foraging for nectar and pollen and she remains in the
nest laying eggs and providing social order within the nest. Late
summer, early fall rolles along and she starts laying solely Queens,
which emerge and are cared by the female workers. It is these queen
who independenly propagate the species by leaving the nest, and winter
sucessfully to start a new colony.
What I was trying to imply was most honeybees ( our Euorpean type)
instictivally flea danger unless trapped, panicked, or aggitated
around their hive. Where a wasp whose instinctivly more defensive,
will also flea danger, but will attack danger more readily than
honeybees. I find especially during times of late summer and fall.
They are equiped with a barbless stinger and may attack without
penalty of death.
Wasps do not store nectar for later use as bees do, becasue they
winter as individual queens. The wasps foraging intensity increase
during the later months as the queens emerge. Late summer, and fall
floral sources are somewhat scariss in most reagions, so they go after
sugars found around humans. I think because food is more scarce they
are more easily aggitated and punishes anything that angers them.
(independent insect instinctually attacking danger)
Honeybees are the only insect which collects and stores nectar as
honey. It is stored to provide energy for the bees to generate heat
throughout the winter. Because of this fact the bees usually are
plugged with honey in their hive from summer forageing and their fall
foraging earges are reduced. That and the compounded fact that the
bees are fed sugar water to bulk the hive up a bit which eliminates
most of the need to forage. (social insect instinctually flea from
danger)
When you think of it, a honeybee colony enters winter around 40,000 -
50,000 stronge, where a wasp nest approches the 100 mark. And it tend
to alway be the wasp that is the pest in the fall.
Also I think that a huge factor is that Yellowjackets tend to nest in
ground near trees and buildings. Bolt faced hornetts tend to nest
under eaves and in trees. Becasue of this they are usually nested
near peoples yards, and become easily aggitated. I bet alot of stings
come after a lawn mower has gone over a Yellowjackets nest.
Don't get too excited about my comments becasue these are just my
observations and thoughts.

Ian