It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about some
important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only offer
groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below. The
0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available. Users
will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups using our
Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would like
to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need to
subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that your use
of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service and Acceptable
Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you may
experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds. Failure to
unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the Verizon network
or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a violation of our
Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you in
the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

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Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Hi Ray

Looks like your other option is to subscribe to a commercial Newsgroup
provider. I do as my ISP's Newsgroup postings are poor and disappear after
a few days.

Let's do this democratically - see how many people object and let's go with
the majority position.

I have no objection to you posting to RGO. My understanding is that no
pictures are posted to RGO as some people are still using slow dial up
options. Most people can see the size of the posting and can choose whether
to view or not. In fact, having all the photos and discussion together would
probably work better anyway.

If this option is chosen, perhaps we should place some voluntary limits on
the size of photos posted so everyone can view even if they don't have fast
Internet connections.

John


"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about some
important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup service.

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

A couple of comments:

1) Who uses dialup these days? Folks really should join the present as we
move to the future.

2) Might a "rec.gardens.orchids.photos" group pass muster?

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Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"John Varigos" wrote in message
m...
Hi Ray

Looks like your other option is to subscribe to a commercial Newsgroup
provider. I do as my ISP's Newsgroup postings are poor and disappear
after a few days.

Let's do this democratically - see how many people object and let's go
with the majority position.

I have no objection to you posting to RGO. My understanding is that no
pictures are posted to RGO as some people are still using slow dial up
options. Most people can see the size of the posting and can choose
whether to view or not. In fact, having all the photos and discussion
together would probably work better anyway.

If this option is chosen, perhaps we should place some voluntary limits on
the size of photos posted so everyone can view even if they don't have
fast Internet connections.

John


"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about some
important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup service.

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Not everyone has high speed available.

Ray B wrote:
| A couple of comments:
|
| 1) Who uses dialup these days? Folks really should join the present
| as we move to the future.
|
| 2) Might a "rec.gardens.orchids.photos" group pass muster?
|
|

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Ping Kye. He set up abpo to begin with. Maybe he can do something under the
rec. group. John, do you have a valid email addie for him? He posted here
recently. Does the *binaries* thing have something to do with it? Is there a
bandwidth limit to the rec groups? If not, why would Mick Fournier have been
so livid whenever someone posted a picture at rgo? Aside from the fact that
he is, in general, a grinch, of course.

I don't object at all tp pictures on rgo. But maybe we need more
information. I imagine that other ISPs will follow suit eventually. There
have been articles lately about efforts by some ISPs to charge for
time/downloads over a certain limit. Apparently this is due to the
prevalence of movie downloads, interactive games, etc. Most of us would not
be affected by that, but I suppose some would.

I don't know enough about the vagaries of setting up the usenet groups to
figure it all out. Just threw out a few questions above.

Diana

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:DOX5k.7676$LN.1133@trndny03...
A couple of comments:

1) Who uses dialup these days? Folks really should join the present as
we move to the future.

2) Might a "rec.gardens.orchids.photos" group pass muster?

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"John Varigos" wrote in message
m...
Hi Ray

Looks like your other option is to subscribe to a commercial Newsgroup
provider. I do as my ISP's Newsgroup postings are poor and disappear
after a few days.

Let's do this democratically - see how many people object and let's go
with the majority position.

I have no objection to you posting to RGO. My understanding is that no
pictures are posted to RGO as some people are still using slow dial up
options. Most people can see the size of the posting and can choose
whether to view or not. In fact, having all the photos and discussion
together would probably work better anyway.

If this option is chosen, perhaps we should place some voluntary limits
on the size of photos posted so everyone can view even if they don't have
fast Internet connections.

John


"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about
some important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup
service.

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

more awkward, i know, but how about putting them on your website (non
public if you like) and just posting the link? that way there's no dial
up issue, and we can still see them.

--j_a

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Yeah, but that would eliminate the *group*. I think the camaraderie is a big
part of what we do. No?

Diana

"unknown" wrote in message
...
more awkward, i know, but how about putting them on your website (non
public if you like) and just posting the link? that way there's no dial
up issue, and we can still see them.

--j_a

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:33:38 -0700, Ray B wrote
(in article S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07):


I pay for Giganews, but appreciate the squeeze that others are in.

I think the suggestion of starting a new photo group within one of the
"Big 8" titles is reasonable if its possible. Where do you find out about the
limits on a binary group?

The idea of posting to a website, and posting the URL to RGO is a
possibility, but I suspect a lot of folks would be unwilling/unable to
establish their own websites, and that would make commentary pretty
cumbersome.

So let's have some more information and ideas from you young squirts who know
computing inside and out.

Tom

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

No the group could still see the link and comment on that post. After the
first viewing the picture is gone anyway. The link would be kept alive in
all replies to the original post.

Just my 2 cents.

K
"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Yeah, but that would eliminate the *group*. I think the camaraderie is a
big part of what we do. No?

Diana

"unknown" wrote in message
...
more awkward, i know, but how about putting them on your website (non
public if you like) and just posting the link? that way there's no dial
up issue, and we can still see them.

--j_a

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

That certainly is option #1, as I do keep a fairly extensive collection of
shots online, but some just won't click a link if they cannot see the image
right away!

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"unknown" wrote in message
...
more awkward, i know, but how about putting them on your website (non
public if you like) and just posting the link? that way there's no dial
up issue, and we can still see them.

--j_a

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

My understanding is that this is not a bandwidth issue, but the binaries
groups are mostly going away as a move to deflect liability for the posting
of porn that is easily accessible to their subscribers - young and old. So
technically, adding a binaries group under the "rec" header is nothing more
than a way to defeat that policy.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"tbell" wrote in message
.com...
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:33:38 -0700, Ray B wrote
(in article S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07):


I pay for Giganews, but appreciate the squeeze that others are in.

I think the suggestion of starting a new photo group within one of the
"Big 8" titles is reasonable if its possible. Where do you find out about
the
limits on a binary group?

The idea of posting to a website, and posting the URL to RGO is a
possibility, but I suspect a lot of folks would be unwilling/unable to
establish their own websites, and that would make commentary pretty
cumbersome.

So let's have some more information and ideas from you young squirts who
know
computing inside and out.

Tom

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

I have always thought RGO would flow better if you could post pictures to
it. Besides Mick, the problem is a lot of the news servers strip binaries
posted to non binaries groups. I do not know many do it, but I think it is
currently a fair percent and growing. A year and a half ago my ISP stopped
all newsgroup service. My ISP which is the local phone company is the only
option for DSL in the county and in addition the phone company makes it
very hard for other companies to even offer dialup across its lines.
Switching ISP was not an option. I tried various free news server options
and was not happy with any. I ended paying for the service and have been
very happy with the service. They bill my credit card once a year so I only
get ****ed once a year. All and all I think news groups are a thing of the
past, unless you want to download music, movies, porn, or orchid stuff. At
some point the RGO and ABPO community may have to migrate to another type of
host.

Pat

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Ray, you can thank Andrew Cuomo in NY for this problem. He bullied the ISPs
until they caved.

Here's a thought: What if we, in this discussion, go ahead and post OPs to
rgo, and include photos? See what happens. Maybe they'll get stripped, maybe
not.

I'll post one later, and be the first to brave the wrath of Fournier, who
somehow manages to pop up any time someone defies the rules!

Diana

"Pat Brennan" wrote in message
ng.com...
I have always thought RGO would flow better if you could post pictures to
it. Besides Mick, the problem is a lot of the news servers strip binaries
posted to non binaries groups. I do not know many do it, but I think it is
currently a fair percent and growing. A year and a half ago my ISP stopped
all newsgroup service. My ISP which is the local phone company is the only
option for DSL in the county and in addition the phone company makes it
very hard for other companies to even offer dialup across its lines.
Switching ISP was not an option. I tried various free news server options
and was not happy with any. I ended paying for the service and have been
very happy with the service. They bill my credit card once a year so I
only get ****ed once a year. All and all I think news groups are a thing
of the past, unless you want to download music, movies, porn, or orchid
stuff. At some point the RGO and ABPO community may have to migrate to
another type of host.

Pat

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

I looked around and found this page of newsgroup providers.
http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/...providers.html

I thought they were cheaper than this, but I guess my idea of pricing has to
move into the 21st Century. Now that I understand people pay annually I'll
try to stay on topic, LOL!

K Barrett

"Pat Brennan" wrote in message
ng.com...
I have always thought RGO would flow better if you could post pictures to
it. Besides Mick, the problem is a lot of the news servers strip binaries
posted to non binaries groups. I do not know many do it, but I think it is
currently a fair percent and growing. A year and a half ago my ISP stopped
all newsgroup service. My ISP which is the local phone company is the only
option for DSL in the county and in addition the phone company makes it
very hard for other companies to even offer dialup across its lines.
Switching ISP was not an option. I tried various free news server options
and was not happy with any. I ended paying for the service and have been
very happy with the service. They bill my credit card once a year so I
only get ****ed once a year. All and all I think news groups are a thing
of the past, unless you want to download music, movies, porn, or orchid
stuff. At some point the RGO and ABPO community may have to migrate to
another type of host.

Pat

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

You can easily create a Google group and you can post images to them now, a
friend just created one that I joined and you can either follow it on the
group site or receive new posts in email. I am reading mine in gmail on the
web to keep it separate from my regular email, but you can use any email
address. The image appears as a thumbnail in the message and when you click
View you get it full sized. I've always hated web based groups but must say
this works quite well.

tbell wrote:
| On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:33:38 -0700, Ray B wrote
| (in article S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07):
|
|
| I pay for Giganews, but appreciate the squeeze that others are in.
|
| I think the suggestion of starting a new photo group within one of the
| "Big 8" titles is reasonable if its possible. Where do you find out
| about the limits on a binary group?
|
| The idea of posting to a website, and posting the URL to RGO is a
| possibility, but I suspect a lot of folks would be unwilling/unable to
| establish their own websites, and that would make commentary pretty
| cumbersome.
|
| So let's have some more information and ideas from you young squirts
| who know computing inside and out.
|
| Tom

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

I can't see pictures posted to rgo via my Verizon service, so while I don't
care if people post there, I will not be able to see them. I will however
be able to see all text based flame wars that surround them.

That message from Verizon is stupid in many ways, chiefly stupid because
they tell you to UNSUBSCRIBE and try using guilt to make you do it; I
paraphrase: "other people may experience slow throughput if you don't
unsubscribe... which is a violation of our Acceptable Use Policy." Why not
just disable the hierarchies they want to get rid of. Or better yet, just
drop the ones that get reported for porn? They certainly have the authority
and ability to not serve up services they don't want us to use. But I guess
my outrage at this stupidity is unproductive.

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Is it just Verizon customers that will be affected or everyone. I would
just die
if I couldn't post here. I love this group.
Cheers Wendy
"Joan F (MI)" wrote in message
...
You can easily create a Google group and you can post images to them now,
a
friend just created one that I joined and you can either follow it on the
group site or receive new posts in email. I am reading mine in gmail on
the
web to keep it separate from my regular email, but you can use any email
address. The image appears as a thumbnail in the message and when you
click
View you get it full sized. I've always hated web based groups but must
say
this works quite well.

tbell wrote:
| On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:33:38 -0700, Ray B wrote
| (in article S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07):
|
|
| I pay for Giganews, but appreciate the squeeze that others are in.
|
| I think the suggestion of starting a new photo group within one of the
| "Big 8" titles is reasonable if its possible. Where do you find out
| about the limits on a binary group?
|
| The idea of posting to a website, and posting the URL to RGO is a
| possibility, but I suspect a lot of folks would be unwilling/unable to
| establish their own websites, and that would make commentary pretty
| cumbersome.
|
| So let's have some more information and ideas from you young squirts
| who know computing inside and out.
|
| Tom

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Ray,

I have been looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo and
rgo archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that alleviate the
pressures for you???

Kye

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about some
important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below.
The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available.
Users will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups using
our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need
to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that your
use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service and
Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you may
experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds. Failure
to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the Verizon
network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a violation
of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you in
the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

There you are, Kye. Why did we need a separate group from rgo for photos? If
anyone can explain it, you can, since you set this one up way back when.

Diana

"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Ray,

I have been looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo and
rgo archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that alleviate the
pressures for you???

Kye

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about some
important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below.
The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available.
Users will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups
using our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need
to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that
your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service and
Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you
may experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds.
Failure to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the
Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a
violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you
in the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Basically, only a binaries group should have files posted to it under the
rules that were established when usenet was created many decades ago. Those
rules are now a part of netiquette and many people get irate when they are
broken.

I created abpo because there were people posting photos to rgo and a great
many flame wars were being started by it.

Kye

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
There you are, Kye. Why did we need a separate group from rgo for photos?
If anyone can explain it, you can, since you set this one up way back
when.

Diana

"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Ray,

I have been looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo
and rgo archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that
alleviate the pressures for you???

Kye

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about
some important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup
service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below.
The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available.
Users will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups
using our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need
to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that
your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service
and Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you
may experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds.
Failure to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the
Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a
violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you
in the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

As was mentioned yesterday, as such groups are not intended for images, some
ISP's block them.

I posted a message on RGO yesterday with an image (via Verizon), has anyone
seen it?

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
There you are, Kye. Why did we need a separate group from rgo for photos?
If anyone can explain it, you can, since you set this one up way back
when.

Diana

"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Ray,

I have been looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo
and rgo archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that
alleviate the pressures for you???

Kye

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about
some important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup
service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below.
The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available.
Users will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups
using our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need
to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that
your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service
and Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you
may experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds.
Failure to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the
Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a
violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you
in the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Most likely!

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Ray,

I have been looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo and
rgo archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that alleviate the
pressures for you???

Kye

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about some
important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below.
The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available.
Users will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups
using our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need
to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that
your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service and
Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you
may experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds.
Failure to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the
Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a
violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you
in the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

--

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Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Will start getting it organised then for you ;)

Kye.

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:rxC6k.44033$lE3.41957@trnddc05...
Most likely!

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Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Ray,

I have been looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo
and rgo archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that
alleviate the pressures for you???

Kye

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about
some important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup
service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below.
The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available.
Users will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups
using our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need
to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that
your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service
and Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you
may experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds.
Failure to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the
Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a
violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you
in the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

I haven't seen it, Ray.

Diana

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:rxC6k.44032$lE3.22121@trnddc05...
As was mentioned yesterday, as such groups are not intended for images,
some ISP's block them.

I posted a message on RGO yesterday with an image (via Verizon), has
anyone seen it?

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
There you are, Kye. Why did we need a separate group from rgo for photos?
If anyone can explain it, you can, since you set this one up way back
when.

Diana

"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Ray,

I have been looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo
and rgo archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that
alleviate the pressures for you???

Kye

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about
some important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup
service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed
below. The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be
available. Users will not be able to post or download from any other
newsgroups using our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will
need to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note
that your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of
Service and Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and
the 0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains
how to subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you
may experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds.
Failure to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the
Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is
a violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you
in the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Don't be in a hurry. I'm headed on vacation this weekend, so won't even
consider being online until about 7/1

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Will start getting it organised then for you ;)

Kye.

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:rxC6k.44033$lE3.41957@trnddc05...
Most likely!

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Ray,

I have been looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo
and rgo archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that
alleviate the pressures for you???

Kye

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about
some important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup
service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed
below. The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be
available. Users will not be able to post or download from any other
newsgroups using our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will
need to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note
that your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of
Service and Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and
the 0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains
how to subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you
may experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds.
Failure to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the
Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is
a violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you
in the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Haven't seen it yet Ray.

I have in the past accidentally posted photos to RGO and these have
appeared, so not sure that they will necessarily get stripped off.

John

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:rxC6k.44032$lE3.22121@trnddc05...
As was mentioned yesterday, as such groups are not intended for images,
some ISP's block them.

I posted a message on RGO yesterday with an image (via Verizon), has
anyone seen it?

--

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Its not that they will get stripped universally, but that some servers will
not allow binaries to transmit through on non-binary groups, therefore
limiting their users ability to view them

Kye

"John Varigos" wrote in message
om...
Haven't seen it yet Ray.

I have in the past accidentally posted photos to RGO and these have
appeared, so not sure that they will necessarily get stripped off.

John

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:rxC6k.44032$lE3.22121@trnddc05...
As was mentioned yesterday, as such groups are not intended for images,
some ISP's block them.

I posted a message on RGO yesterday with an image (via Verizon), has
anyone seen it?

--

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

My guess is that Verizon, my ISP, blocked me from posting it on their
servers, so there is nothing to be copied to yours.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"John Varigos" wrote in message
om...
Haven't seen it yet Ray.

I have in the past accidentally posted photos to RGO and these have
appeared, so not sure that they will necessarily get stripped off.

John

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:rxC6k.44032$lE3.22121@trnddc05...
As was mentioned yesterday, as such groups are not intended for images,
some ISP's block them.

I posted a message on RGO yesterday with an image (via Verizon), has
anyone seen it?

--

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Thanks for the clarification, Kye.

OK so it is blocked from even getting onto Usenet! That makes life
difficult. Please explain in more detail your proposal, "I have been
looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo and rgo archives.
As it would be publicly accessible, would that alleviate the pressures for
you???"

There are archives already available e.g.
http://www.usenet-replayer.com/group...2Eorchids.html

Cheers

John




"Ray B" wrote in message
news:haL6k.44069$lE3.347@trnddc05...
My guess is that Verizon, my ISP, blocked me from posting it on their
servers, so there is nothing to be copied to yours.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"John Varigos" wrote in message
om...
Haven't seen it yet Ray.

I have in the past accidentally posted photos to RGO and these have
appeared, so not sure that they will necessarily get stripped off.

John

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:rxC6k.44032$lE3.22121@trnddc05...
As was mentioned yesterday, as such groups are not intended for images,
some ISP's block them.

I posted a message on RGO yesterday with an image (via Verizon), has
anyone seen it?

--

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

John,

Yes there are already archives available in a great many formats and payment
options. But I have been toying with the idea for a few years now (since
before I made abpo) and now havethe facility to build a news-server to serve
abpo and rgo to people. Basically, I will be building the server with a
"never delete messages" option for myself, Rays (and a few others) dilemma
just causes me to want to make it go public a few years earlier than I had
intended.

Kye

"John Varigos" wrote in message
om...
Thanks for the clarification, Kye.

OK so it is blocked from even getting onto Usenet! That makes life
difficult. Please explain in more detail your proposal, "I have been
looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo and rgo
archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that alleviate the
pressures for you???"

There are archives already available e.g.
http://www.usenet-replayer.com/group...2Eorchids.html

Cheers

John




"Ray B" wrote in message
news:haL6k.44069$lE3.347@trnddc05...
My guess is that Verizon, my ISP, blocked me from posting it on their
servers, so there is nothing to be copied to yours.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"John Varigos" wrote in message
om...
Haven't seen it yet Ray.

I have in the past accidentally posted photos to RGO and these have
appeared, so not sure that they will necessarily get stripped off.

John

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:rxC6k.44032$lE3.22121@trnddc05...
As was mentioned yesterday, as such groups are not intended for images,
some ISP's block them.

I posted a message on RGO yesterday with an image (via Verizon), has
anyone seen it?

--

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

You might ask the owner/operator of the Annexcafe server to create a group
for you. He welcomes polite, grateful groups and I'm sure this group would
qualify. You have to sign up (free) to access the server, that keeps
spammers out, I post to several groups there and it is a well run place.
Check it out at www.annexcafe.com If you want to request a group I'll be
happy to put in a good word for you having lurked here for quite some time.

John Varigos wrote:
| Thanks for the clarification, Kye.
|
| OK so it is blocked from even getting onto Usenet! That makes life
| difficult. Please explain in more detail your proposal, "I have been
| looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo and rgo
| archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that alleviate
| the pressures for you???"
|
| There are archives already available e.g.
|
http://www.usenet-replayer.com/group...2Eorchids.html
|
| Cheers
|
| John
|
|
|
|
| "Ray B" wrote in message
| news:haL6k.44069$lE3.347@trnddc05...
|| My guess is that Verizon, my ISP, blocked me from posting it on their
|| servers, so there is nothing to be copied to yours.
||
|| --
||
|| Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
|| Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!
||
||
|| "John Varigos" wrote in message
|| om...
||| Haven't seen it yet Ray.
|||
||| I have in the past accidentally posted photos to RGO and these have
||| appeared, so not sure that they will necessarily get stripped off.
|||
||| John
|||
||| "Ray B" wrote in message
||| news:rxC6k.44032$lE3.22121@trnddc05...
|||| As was mentioned yesterday, as such groups are not intended for
|||| images, some ISP's block them.
||||
|||| I posted a message on RGO yesterday with an image (via Verizon),
|||| has anyone seen it?
||||
|||| --

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Joan,

Thankyou for you offer, but I already own several servers so can host the
data "in house"

Kye.


"Joan F (MI)" wrote in message
...
You might ask the owner/operator of the Annexcafe server to create a group
for you. He welcomes polite, grateful groups and I'm sure this group
would
qualify. You have to sign up (free) to access the server, that keeps
spammers out, I post to several groups there and it is a well run place.
Check it out at www.annexcafe.com If you want to request a group I'll be
happy to put in a good word for you having lurked here for quite some
time.

John Varigos wrote:
| Thanks for the clarification, Kye.
|
| OK so it is blocked from even getting onto Usenet! That makes life
| difficult. Please explain in more detail your proposal, "I have been
| looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo and rgo
| archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that alleviate
| the pressures for you???"
|
| There are archives already available e.g.
|
http://www.usenet-replayer.com/group...2Eorchids.html
|
| Cheers
|
| John
|
|
|
|
| "Ray B" wrote in message
| news:haL6k.44069$lE3.347@trnddc05...
|| My guess is that Verizon, my ISP, blocked me from posting it on their
|| servers, so there is nothing to be copied to yours.
||
|| --
||
|| Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
|| Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!
||
||
|| "John Varigos" wrote in message
|| om...
||| Haven't seen it yet Ray.
|||
||| I have in the past accidentally posted photos to RGO and these have
||| appeared, so not sure that they will necessarily get stripped off.
|||
||| John
|||
||| "Ray B" wrote in message
||| news:rxC6k.44032$lE3.22121@trnddc05...
|||| As was mentioned yesterday, as such groups are not intended for
|||| images, some ISP's block them.
||||
|||| I posted a message on RGO yesterday with an image (via Verizon),
|||| has anyone seen it?
||||
|||| --

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Oh, no! We would miss you terribly. *We are family!*

Diana

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:57:33 GMT in haL6k.44069$lE3.347@trnddc05 Ray B
wrote:
My guess is that Verizon, my ISP, blocked me from posting it on their
servers, so there is nothing to be copied to yours.


Most NNTP admins run cleanfeed, or whatever it mutated to in the past 10
years. Unless it's a newsgroup for binaries it would have been blocked
anyways. And with one easy settings change it will cheerfully make all
binaries go away, the mess when some of the more braindead clients
encode a 100% text article as base64.

Atleast you still get newsgroups, my colo box is on a TWC business
class network, and I suspect news will disappear for me as well.

I'll probably completely disappear from USENET on or after the 23rd
until my dad complains enough to get me to set him up with one of the
commercial 3rd party providers. I'll go into horrible withdrawl, but
after 18 years on USENET and 22 years on computer message boards and 24
years with email it's time to get away from this crap for a while.

When I do return to USENET, I'll probably offer a read only NNTP server
for this group and RGO.

--
Chris Dukes
"Let all the babies be born. Then let us drown those we do not like."
-- G. K. Chesterton.

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

Ray juat has been in areas served by Iowatelecom where the phone lines
dangle from fence posts or lay on the ground next to the road because they
prefer proffits to maintanence. Dial up is the only service that works
occasonaly in the area.

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

"Ray B" wrote in
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07:

Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about
some important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup
service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed
below. The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be
available. Users will not be able to post or download from any other
newsgroups using our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available
at: http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you
would like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you
will need to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please
note that your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms
of Service and Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and
the 0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains
how to subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

The big companies AT&T, Verison abd others cant sell you their crap on
newgroups so they want make them imposible to use so they have an excuse
to get rid of them.
You might want to try;
http://www.teranews.com/

I think theres a small set up fee but it's free unless you have a high
usage.

It's official (Verizon) - Anyone care if I post pictures at RGO?
 

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:59:33 -0700, tbell said...

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:33:38 -0700, Ray B wrote
(in article S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07):


I pay for Giganews, but appreciate the squeeze that others are in.

I think the suggestion of starting a new photo group within one of the
"Big 8" titles is reasonable if its possible. Where do you find out about the
limits on a binary group?

The idea of posting to a website, and posting the URL to RGO is a
possibility, but I suspect a lot of folks would be unwilling/unable to
establish their own websites, and that would make commentary pretty
cumbersome.

So let's have some more information and ideas from you young squirts who know
computing inside and out.

Tom

I think Roadrunner & Verizon killed their Usenet service because it cost them a
lot to operate & they couldn't find a way to make money out of it. If binary
posts start finding their way to Big-8 groups they'll inevitably start to filter
them if they haven't done so already.

I gave up on Roadrunner servers a year ago, and switched to a paid Usenet
provider (Newsguy). Tried Giganews, and they were good, but frankly other
providers offer comparable service and are less expensive.

I get 50 Gig through Newsguy for $8 month, and the closet account at Giganews
was 25 Gigs for $13 month. Newsguy also has a 10 Gig / $3 month option, compared
to 2 Gig / $8 month at Giganews. I also liked the fact that Newsguy rolls over
my unused Gigs each month, and Giganews deletes unused Gigs last I had checked.

For what it's worth, Newsguy is offering a free month of newsgroup access to
Roadrunner & Verizon customers if you buy one of their paid accounts...

http://newsguy.com/freemonth.htm

- F