Al wrote:
Orchid name registration with the RHS is voluntary. There is really nothing
but pressure from orchid collectors to stop a proliferation of unregistered
names. There are a lot of them out there, mericlones of very nice plants
from exotic locations whose parentage can not be traced.

When my few plants have been awarded by the AOS, I got a receipt in the mail
from the judging location with all the specs and a bill for $40.00. If I
chose not to pay the bill, I still have the carbon of the award spec to
prove my orchid was deemed awardable, using my provisional name. Even if I
never pay to register the hybrid or pay the award registration fee I can
still call my plant what I want and say it was deemed awardable by AOS
judges and I chose not to pay for the privilege of making it "official". I
have my carbon as proof even if the AOS and RHS react negatively. Yes,
Civilization as we know it is ending because of this problem. If the world
only knew the true reason why. Of course I do pay whatever they ask because
I like the feel of parchment and the nifty little kodachrome slide I
get....and because I want to be liked and recognized by important members of
the orchid growing community. I really really do, but then I am weird that
way.



Of course if you don't pay for your awards, you get 'black-listed' and
cannot receive any more awards. Eventually the judging center figures
out who you are... *grin* So there is some incentive to play by the rules.

It is my experience that a lot of the plants from exotic locales are
lucky to have any cross information at all. The growers make zillions
of crosses. They don't register them all (that costs money). I'd wager
that most of these growers would be happy for you to pay the
registration fee.




--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

Recently, Martin Motes got an Award of Quality on a cross he made with his
grape purple V tessellata (this ties in with your picture of the V
tessellata you are taking care of for your friend). He also got a few
awards on the cross at the same time. He went to register the cross and was
shocked to find that the cross had already been registered, so he made all
the clonal names slightly laughing at the person who named the cross. 'Ha
Ha Hatos' comes to mind.

Supposedly the person registering the cross is supposed to make every effort
to find out who created the hybrid and get their permission to register it.
But of course, in these days gentlepersonly behavior is dead, that doesn't
happen and the creator of the cross is marked in the register as o/u -
originator unknown. One hybridizer here in the Bay Area has had this happen
a few times to him too. It ticks him off, too. ( Not Fordyce).

This ties in with the RHS's belief that orchids should follow naming trends
that occur with other plants. Such that the clonal name (the part in the
'_'s - for those of you following along) becomes the registered name. Of
course they don't realize that there's a long register of orchid breeding -
much like horses or dog breeding, and to just wipe that out and start
calling orchids names like 'Kaleidoscope' drops much of the history, much
less the intergeneric nature of the breeder's art.

Sorry to go on like this, but (obviously) it ticks me off. I can just see
that someone will bring this orchid (or its hybrid) in for judging and I'll
have to kick it out because it doesn't have a valid name. Or I'll have to
make the exhibitor aware that THEY will have to pay the $7 to the RHS to
name the orchid (and its hybrid) (in addition to the AOS award fee), and I
suppose that (if they read this) they now know they can name it for
themselves or their dog if they want. And screw Netrasiri, who should ahve
know better in the first place.

The more I think about it the more I like the sound of Lc. K Barrett and its
hybrid Lc. Issac My Cat.

K Barrett

"Al" wrote in message
...
Orchid name registration with the RHS is voluntary. There is really
nothing
but pressure from orchid collectors to stop a proliferation of
unregistered
names. There are a lot of them out there, mericlones of very nice plants
from exotic locations whose parentage can not be traced.

When my few plants have been awarded by the AOS, I got a receipt in the
mail
from the judging location with all the specs and a bill for $40.00. If I
chose not to pay the bill, I still have the carbon of the award spec to
prove my orchid was deemed awardable, using my provisional name. Even if
I
never pay to register the hybrid or pay the award registration fee I can
still call my plant what I want and say it was deemed awardable by AOS
judges and I chose not to pay for the privilege of making it "official".
I
have my carbon as proof even if the AOS and RHS react negatively. Yes,
Civilization as we know it is ending because of this problem. If the
world
only knew the true reason why. Of course I do pay whatever they ask
because
I like the feel of parchment and the nifty little kodachrome slide I
get....and because I want to be liked and recognized by important members
of
the orchid growing community. I really really do, but then I am weird
that
way.


"K Barrett" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the info, Al. Once again we see the downfall of western
civilazation as we know it. How 2 well known orchid vendors could sell
much
less hybridize with unregistered orchid *and put that on their tag!* is
beyond me. Just too lazy to write it right, I guess.

I went through my AQs and there isn't an AM from the AOS published yet.
Granted it could still be in the works, but the award would still be
provisional until the name Netrasiri Waxy was registered. Now, if
somone
wanted to teach these idiots a lesson, they could pony up the $7 bucks
for
the RHS and name the cross themselves since the owners haven't done so.
I
suggest Lc. K Barrett. Then the award would HAVE to read Lc K Barrett
'Jairung' AM/AOS and the breeding program would HAVE to list Lc. K
Barrett
as a parent. Neener neener to Netrasiri. They lose out!

K Barrett

"Al" wrote in message
...
An unregistered hybrid would NOT have the name

CATTLEYA NETRASIRI WAXY `Jairug` AM,

it WOULD have the parentage listed in parentheses. This vendor fails
orchid
name reading/writing 101. I don't think he/she even opened the book
once
during the semester. I bet the instructor can not even remember seeing
them
in class.

Kultana orchids is selling hybrids made using C. Netrasiri Waxy as a
parent,
as are a few others, according to the internet.

Tropic 1 Orchids is selling Lc. Netrasiri Waxy 'Jairug' [Lc. Netrasiri
Doll
x C. Netrasiri Fireball]. There are discrepancies here and I think
this
will be a question on the next exam.

C. Chocolate Drop is a grandparent from both sides in the Tropic 1 Lc.
hybrid making it more likely to be the correct parentage of a hybrid
that
my
Wildcatt Feb 2005 update says is unregistered.

You just want to know if it is hard to grow. If you are able to bloom
and
flower the average cattleya hybrid, then you can probably bring this
plant
into bloom. If this is the parentage a nice select clone will probably
ultimately reach about 2 feet tall and have large clusters of these
flowers.

It is pretty.


"PhalGuy" wrote in message
news:1123814007.5d19638cdcaa1e08936e2be3f5c35f09@t eranews...
Here`s the answer from the vendor:

Hi
Sorry we do not have the parentage of this hybrid as it is an
unregistered
hybrid.
Thanks

So, to all Catt growers, this one should not be very hard to grow?
I`m
totally new to this species !

Thanks again


Claude

"Susan Erickson" wrote in message
...
| On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:27:07 -0400, "danny"
| wrote:
|
| Just Google it. This is a meristem. It seems to be a
not-yet-registered
| hybrid of C. Netrasiri Fireball and Lc. Netrasiri Doll. Who knows
what
| organization gave it an AM, I wouldn't assume it was AOS.
| -danny
|
|
| Some of the write up's on Ebay have lead me to wonder about
| everything that you can not see in photos. The only Google list
| I found said a 4" pot for $35 and no AM in sight. It is a
| beautiful waxy flower.
| SuE
| http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php

Isn't their some judging rule that a judge should re-curse him/her self if
they know who owns the plant and this knowledge will affect (or effect ...I
forget which) their ability to judge it?

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Al wrote:
Orchid name registration with the RHS is voluntary. There is really
nothing but pressure from orchid collectors to stop a proliferation of
unregistered names. There are a lot of them out there, mericlones of
very nice plants from exotic locations whose parentage can not be traced.

When my few plants have been awarded by the AOS, I got a receipt in the
mail from the judging location with all the specs and a bill for $40.00.
If I chose not to pay the bill, I still have the carbon of the award spec
to prove my orchid was deemed awardable, using my provisional name. Even
if I never pay to register the hybrid or pay the award registration fee I
can still call my plant what I want and say it was deemed awardable by
AOS judges and I chose not to pay for the privilege of making it
"official". I have my carbon as proof even if the AOS and RHS react
negatively. Yes, Civilization as we know it is ending because of this
problem. If the world only knew the true reason why. Of course I do pay
whatever they ask because I like the feel of parchment and the nifty
little kodachrome slide I get....and because I want to be liked and
recognized by important members of the orchid growing community. I
really really do, but then I am weird that way.



Of course if you don't pay for your awards, you get 'black-listed' and
cannot receive any more awards. Eventually the judging center figures out
who you are... *grin* So there is some incentive to play by the rules.

It is my experience that a lot of the plants from exotic locales are lucky
to have any cross information at all. The growers make zillions of
crosses. They don't register them all (that costs money). I'd wager that
most of these growers would be happy for you to pay the registration fee.




--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

Al wrote:
Isn't their some judging rule that a judge should re-curse him/her self if
they know who owns the plant and this knowledge will affect (or effect ...I
forget which) their ability to judge it?

I curse myself over and over... Yes, a judge should recuse himself if
he knows the owner and/or has a material interest in the plant (made the
cross, for example, or has several hundred of them on the bench awaiting
sale...). It is a judgment call, and the basic rule is that if there
would be any chance of the appearance of impropriety, then you should
recuse yourself.

In reality, we know a fairly large percentage of the time whose plants
are whose, or have a really good guess. At least for plants brought to
the judging center (judges bring their own plants, too...). We don't
actively discuss ownership when examining plants, of course. Even if
you are anonymous for judging (the ideal situation) at some point they
need to write down the name of the owner on the form.

I personally don't have a problem judging a plant when I know or suspect
who the owner is, since I can maintain the appropriate distance. Quite
frankly, I could maintain the same distance judging my own plants (not
that it would be necessary, and that is definitely against the rules).
If anything, I'd be harder on my own, and I frequently leave awardable
plants at home because i'm too harsh. If for some reason I couldn't
maintain impartiality (I hate the person exhibiting, for example), then
I hope I'd be honest enough with myself to admit that. It hasn't
happened yet though.


--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

If I may speak for Rob, - something I've never done before, and probably
should never do again,*G* - when he says 'eventually the judging center
figures out who you are' I believe he's talking about paperwork. When the
award paperwork lays around the judging center without the exhibitor paying
for it, year after year, then the center takes notice. The secretary sends
a letter to the exhibitor asking what's up. The exhibitor tells the AOS the
reeason for not paying for the award(s) and appropriate action is taken.
Like not being allowed to exhibit for AOS awards. Again, the judges sitting
at the table judging the plant wouldn't know until the entry paperwork came
back with the exhibitor's name that the plant belonged to the exhibitor.

K Barrett

"Al" wrote in message
...
Isn't their some judging rule that a judge should re-curse him/her self if
they know who owns the plant and this knowledge will affect (or effect
....I
forget which) their ability to judge it?

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Al wrote:
Orchid name registration with the RHS is voluntary. There is really
nothing but pressure from orchid collectors to stop a proliferation of
unregistered names. There are a lot of them out there, mericlones of
very nice plants from exotic locations whose parentage can not be
traced.

When my few plants have been awarded by the AOS, I got a receipt in the
mail from the judging location with all the specs and a bill for
$40.00.
If I chose not to pay the bill, I still have the carbon of the award
spec
to prove my orchid was deemed awardable, using my provisional name.
Even
if I never pay to register the hybrid or pay the award registration fee
I
can still call my plant what I want and say it was deemed awardable by
AOS judges and I chose not to pay for the privilege of making it
"official". I have my carbon as proof even if the AOS and RHS react
negatively. Yes, Civilization as we know it is ending because of this
problem. If the world only knew the true reason why. Of course I do
pay
whatever they ask because I like the feel of parchment and the nifty
little kodachrome slide I get....and because I want to be liked and
recognized by important members of the orchid growing community. I
really really do, but then I am weird that way.



Of course if you don't pay for your awards, you get 'black-listed' and
cannot receive any more awards. Eventually the judging center figures
out
who you are... *grin* So there is some incentive to play by the rules.

It is my experience that a lot of the plants from exotic locales are
lucky
to have any cross information at all. The growers make zillions of
crosses. They don't register them all (that costs money). I'd wager
that
most of these growers would be happy for you to pay the registration
fee.




--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit