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I have had a phal (further ID unknown) for about a year now, and the
roots are thriving, thick, green, and happy. They are, in fact,
filling a five-inch pot. The leaves, however, are not happy. Over the
past SIX MONTHS, the lower leaves have, one by one, begun yellowing at
the tip and then falling off. Currently, it is down to one yellow leaf
and one new, small, medium-green leaf that looks very healthy. What am
I doing wrong?

Two months ago, I repotted the plant in a clear plastic orchid pot with
medium bark and rocks in the bottom for good drainage (no change in
leaf health, but the roots continued to thrive). It sits in an
east-facing sunroom window. My temperatures (NE USA) run 80-65 degrees.
Three fans are running at all times. I use a very dilute fertilizer. I
squirt it daily so the roots are always a little moist--and I keep
water out of the crown (no crown rot). I've sprayed the leaves with
fungicide and pesticide. I've examined the leaves with a jeweler's
loupe, and I can't see any bugs. The phal next to it has perfectly
healthy leaves and is blooming, so what is wrong with this plant? How
can the roots be so healthy when the leaves are so unhealthy? If all
the leaves drop off, should I keep watering the roots and hope for more
leaves?

Thanks for any insight.

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Old 17-03-2003, 07:32 PM
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I have had a phal (further ID unknown) for about a year now, and the
roots are thriving, thick, green, and happy. They are, in fact,
filling a five-inch pot. The leaves, however, are not happy. Over the
past SIX MONTHS, the lower leaves have, one by one, begun yellowing at
the tip and then falling off. Currently, it is down to one yellow leaf
and one new, small, medium-green leaf that looks very healthy. What am
I doing wrong?

Two months ago, I repotted the plant in a clear plastic orchid pot with
medium bark and rocks in the bottom for good drainage (no change in
leaf health, but the roots continued to thrive). It sits in an
east-facing sunroom window. My temperatures (NE USA) run 80-65 degrees.
Three fans are running at all times. I use a very dilute fertilizer. I
squirt it daily so the roots are always a little moist--and I keep
water out of the crown (no crown rot). I've sprayed the leaves with
fungicide and pesticide. I've examined the leaves with a jeweler's
loupe, and I can't see any bugs. The phal next to it has perfectly
healthy leaves and is blooming, so what is wrong with this plant? How
can the roots be so healthy when the leaves are so unhealthy? If all
the leaves drop off, should I keep watering the roots and hope for more
leaves?

Thanks for any insight.


The crown of the plant is ok, in that you are not suffering any crown rot?
Karen

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Old 17-03-2003, 07:44 PM
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That does not sound like a plant with healthy roots. Are you sure they're
OK?

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I have had a phal (further ID unknown) for about a year now, and the
roots are thriving, thick, green, and happy. They are, in fact,
filling a five-inch pot. The leaves, however, are not happy. Over the
past SIX MONTHS, the lower leaves have, one by one, begun yellowing at
the tip and then falling off. Currently, it is down to one yellow leaf
and one new, small, medium-green leaf that looks very healthy. What am
I doing wrong?

Two months ago, I repotted the plant in a clear plastic orchid pot with
medium bark and rocks in the bottom for good drainage (no change in
leaf health, but the roots continued to thrive). It sits in an
east-facing sunroom window. My temperatures (NE USA) run 80-65 degrees.
Three fans are running at all times. I use a very dilute fertilizer. I
squirt it daily so the roots are always a little moist--and I keep
water out of the crown (no crown rot). I've sprayed the leaves with
fungicide and pesticide. I've examined the leaves with a jeweler's
loupe, and I can't see any bugs. The phal next to it has perfectly
healthy leaves and is blooming, so what is wrong with this plant? How
can the roots be so healthy when the leaves are so unhealthy? If all
the leaves drop off, should I keep watering the roots and hope for more
leaves?

Thanks for any insight.



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Old 17-03-2003, 10:42 PM
 
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wrote:
I have had a phal (further ID unknown) for about a year now, and the
roots are thriving, thick, green, and happy. They are, in fact,
filling a five-inch pot. The leaves, however, are not happy. Over the
past SIX MONTHS, the lower leaves have, one by one, begun yellowing at
the tip and then falling off. Currently, it is down to one yellow leaf
and one new, small, medium-green leaf that looks very healthy. What am
I doing wrong?

Two months ago, I repotted the plant in a clear plastic orchid pot with
medium bark and rocks in the bottom for good drainage (no change in
leaf health, but the roots continued to thrive). It sits in an
east-facing sunroom window. My temperatures (NE USA) run 80-65 degrees.
Three fans are running at all times. I use a very dilute fertilizer. I
squirt it daily so the roots are always a little moist--and I keep
water out of the crown (no crown rot). I've sprayed the leaves with
fungicide and pesticide. I've examined the leaves with a jeweler's
loupe, and I can't see any bugs. The phal next to it has perfectly
healthy leaves and is blooming, so what is wrong with this plant? How
can the roots be so healthy when the leaves are so unhealthy? If all
the leaves drop off, should I keep watering the roots and hope for more
leaves?

Thanks for any insight.


The crown of the plant is ok, in that you are not suffering any crown rot?
Karen


Not a bit of crown rot. The junction of the remaining two leaves is
solid green, and the "stem" below them, which is about two inches long
(after the other leaves died), is green and healthy. "Death" of the
leaves typically starts at the leaf tip and then works back to the
center, until the entire leaf is yellow and drops off.
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In article , Karen
wrote:

wrote:
I have had a phal (further ID unknown) for about a year now, and the
roots are thriving, thick, green, and happy. They are, in fact,
filling a five-inch pot. The leaves, however, are not happy. Over the
past SIX MONTHS, the lower leaves have, one by one, begun yellowing at
the tip and then falling off. Currently, it is down to one yellow leaf
and one new, small, medium-green leaf that looks very healthy. What am
I doing wrong?

Two months ago, I repotted the plant in a clear plastic orchid pot with
medium bark and rocks in the bottom for good drainage (no change in
leaf health, but the roots continued to thrive). It sits in an
east-facing sunroom window. My temperatures (NE USA) run 80-65 degrees.
Three fans are running at all times. I use a very dilute fertilizer. I
squirt it daily so the roots are always a little moist--and I keep
water out of the crown (no crown rot). I've sprayed the leaves with
fungicide and pesticide. I've examined the leaves with a jeweler's
loupe, and I can't see any bugs. The phal next to it has perfectly
healthy leaves and is blooming, so what is wrong with this plant? How
can the roots be so healthy when the leaves are so unhealthy? If all
the leaves drop off, should I keep watering the roots and hope for more
leaves?

Thanks for any insight.


The crown of the plant is ok, in that you are not suffering any crown rot?
Karen


Not a bit of crown rot. The junction of the remaining two leaves is
solid green, and the "stem" below them, which is about two inches long
(after the other leaves died), is green and healthy. "Death" of the
leaves typically starts at the leaf tip and then works back to the
center, until the entire leaf is yellow and drops off.


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Old 18-03-2003, 02:44 AM
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how old is this phal, and how many times has it bllomed? We were discussing
Phals at the OS meeting this week and it was mentioned that Phals can be
over bloomed. The Speaker rarely saw a phal over 10 yrs old. Just a
thought.

Diane
"Ray @ First Rays Orchids" wrote in message
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That does not sound like a plant with healthy roots. Are you sure they're
OK?

--

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http://www.firstrays.com
Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info!


wrote in message
t...
I have had a phal (further ID unknown) for about a year now, and the
roots are thriving, thick, green, and happy. They are, in fact,
filling a five-inch pot. The leaves, however, are not happy. Over the
past SIX MONTHS, the lower leaves have, one by one, begun yellowing at
the tip and then falling off. Currently, it is down to one yellow leaf
and one new, small, medium-green leaf that looks very healthy. What am
I doing wrong?

Two months ago, I repotted the plant in a clear plastic orchid pot with
medium bark and rocks in the bottom for good drainage (no change in
leaf health, but the roots continued to thrive). It sits in an
east-facing sunroom window. My temperatures (NE USA) run 80-65 degrees.
Three fans are running at all times. I use a very dilute fertilizer. I
squirt it daily so the roots are always a little moist--and I keep
water out of the crown (no crown rot). I've sprayed the leaves with
fungicide and pesticide. I've examined the leaves with a jeweler's
loupe, and I can't see any bugs. The phal next to it has perfectly
healthy leaves and is blooming, so what is wrong with this plant? How
can the roots be so healthy when the leaves are so unhealthy? If all
the leaves drop off, should I keep watering the roots and hope for more
leaves?

Thanks for any insight.





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Old 18-03-2003, 09:56 AM
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I think your speaker told more than he knows.

Before the "big freeze" that completely wiped me out, I had a pink-spotted
white phal that had bloomed reliably for 17 or 18 years. As a matter of
fact, due to size and maturity, it got better every year.

--

Ray Barkalow First Rays Orchids
http://www.firstrays.com
Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info!


"Diane Mancino" wrote in message
t...
how old is this phal, and how many times has it bllomed? We were

discussing
Phals at the OS meeting this week and it was mentioned that Phals can be
over bloomed. The Speaker rarely saw a phal over 10 yrs old. Just a
thought.

Diane
"Ray @ First Rays Orchids" wrote in message
...
That does not sound like a plant with healthy roots. Are you sure

they're
OK?

--

Ray Barkalow First Rays Orchids
http://www.firstrays.com
Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info!


wrote in message
t...
I have had a phal (further ID unknown) for about a year now, and the
roots are thriving, thick, green, and happy. They are, in fact,
filling a five-inch pot. The leaves, however, are not happy. Over the
past SIX MONTHS, the lower leaves have, one by one, begun yellowing at
the tip and then falling off. Currently, it is down to one yellow leaf
and one new, small, medium-green leaf that looks very healthy. What am
I doing wrong?

Two months ago, I repotted the plant in a clear plastic orchid pot

with
medium bark and rocks in the bottom for good drainage (no change in
leaf health, but the roots continued to thrive). It sits in an
east-facing sunroom window. My temperatures (NE USA) run 80-65

degrees.
Three fans are running at all times. I use a very dilute fertilizer. I
squirt it daily so the roots are always a little moist--and I keep
water out of the crown (no crown rot). I've sprayed the leaves with
fungicide and pesticide. I've examined the leaves with a jeweler's
loupe, and I can't see any bugs. The phal next to it has perfectly
healthy leaves and is blooming, so what is wrong with this plant? How
can the roots be so healthy when the leaves are so unhealthy? If all
the leaves drop off, should I keep watering the roots and hope for

more
leaves?

Thanks for any insight.







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Old 18-03-2003, 12:32 PM
 
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In article ,
wrote:

In article , Karen
wrote:

wrote:
I have had a phal (further ID unknown) for about a year now, and the
roots are thriving, thick, green, and happy. They are, in fact,
filling a five-inch pot. The leaves, however, are not happy. Over the
past SIX MONTHS, the lower leaves have, one by one, begun yellowing at
the tip and then falling off. Currently, it is down to one yellow leaf
and one new, small, medium-green leaf that looks very healthy. What am
I doing wrong?

Two months ago, I repotted the plant in a clear plastic orchid pot with
medium bark and rocks in the bottom for good drainage (no change in
leaf health, but the roots continued to thrive). It sits in an
east-facing sunroom window. My temperatures (NE USA) run 80-65 degrees.
Three fans are running at all times. I use a very dilute fertilizer. I
squirt it daily so the roots are always a little moist--and I keep
water out of the crown (no crown rot). I've sprayed the leaves with
fungicide and pesticide. I've examined the leaves with a jeweler's
loupe, and I can't see any bugs. The phal next to it has perfectly
healthy leaves and is blooming, so what is wrong with this plant? How
can the roots be so healthy when the leaves are so unhealthy? If all
the leaves drop off, should I keep watering the roots and hope for more
leaves?

Thanks for any insight.


The crown of the plant is ok, in that you are not suffering any crown rot?
Karen


Not a bit of crown rot. The junction of the remaining two leaves is
solid green, and the "stem" below them, which is about two inches long
(after the other leaves died), is green and healthy. "Death" of the
leaves typically starts at the leaf tip and then works back to the
center, until the entire leaf is yellow and drops off.


This morning, I unpotted it, just to check the roots. The roots are a
very bright green--in fact, they are an unnaturally bright "mossy"
green. The bits of chopped moss that I had mixed in with the bark are
tinged with that same bright green. The media seems super
hydrated--perhaps too much so. I'll try not misting it for a few days.
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Old 18-03-2003, 01:08 PM
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This morning, I unpotted it, just to check the roots. The roots are a
very bright green--in fact, they are an unnaturally bright "mossy"
green. The bits of chopped moss that I had mixed in with the bark are


Sounds like algae to me.

Geir
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Old 18-03-2003, 02:32 PM
 
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It's not an old plant. I've had it for a year, and it was blooming when
I bought it. After taking the roots out of the pot this morning, I
think that my problem is that the roots have been too moist because
they are such a mossy green. Another poster said that it sounded like
algae.


In article , "Diane
Mancino" wrote:

how old is this phal, and how many times has it bllomed? We were discussing
Phals at the OS meeting this week and it was mentioned that Phals can be
over bloomed. The Speaker rarely saw a phal over 10 yrs old. Just a
thought.

Diane
"Ray @ First Rays Orchids" wrote in message
...
That does not sound like a plant with healthy roots. Are you sure they're
OK?

--

Ray Barkalow First Rays Orchids
http://www.firstrays.com
Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info!


wrote in message
t...
I have had a phal (further ID unknown) for about a year now, and the
roots are thriving, thick, green, and happy. They are, in fact,
filling a five-inch pot. The leaves, however, are not happy. Over the
past SIX MONTHS, the lower leaves have, one by one, begun yellowing at
the tip and then falling off. Currently, it is down to one yellow leaf
and one new, small, medium-green leaf that looks very healthy. What am
I doing wrong?

Two months ago, I repotted the plant in a clear plastic orchid pot with
medium bark and rocks in the bottom for good drainage (no change in
leaf health, but the roots continued to thrive). It sits in an
east-facing sunroom window. My temperatures (NE USA) run 80-65 degrees.
Three fans are running at all times. I use a very dilute fertilizer. I
squirt it daily so the roots are always a little moist--and I keep
water out of the crown (no crown rot). I've sprayed the leaves with
fungicide and pesticide. I've examined the leaves with a jeweler's
loupe, and I can't see any bugs. The phal next to it has perfectly
healthy leaves and is blooming, so what is wrong with this plant? How
can the roots be so healthy when the leaves are so unhealthy? If all
the leaves drop off, should I keep watering the roots and hope for more
leaves?

Thanks for any insight.





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Are the roots firm, or soft and mushy? Firm is good, soft and mushy means dead
roots.
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I would give the plant a good bath with Physan & repot. I have also found
that algae accumulates
when using the clear pots?
Cheers Wendy
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Are the roots firm, or soft and mushy? Firm is good, soft and mushy

means dead
roots.


They are very firm.



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Any time you have moisture, nutrients, and light, you'll have algae. It
really is of little to no consequence as far as i can tell, unless it builds
up to the black slime often seen on media such as rock wool. Then it tends
to choke off air flow to the roots.

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I would give the plant a good bath with Physan & repot. I have also found
that algae accumulates
when using the clear pots?
Cheers Wendy
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In article ,
(IiSpankyii) wrote:

Are the roots firm, or soft and mushy? Firm is good, soft and mushy

means dead
roots.


They are very firm.





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Old 20-03-2003, 01:20 PM
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I'm glad to hear that. Wonder who has the oldest Phal in this newsgroup.
Discussion was on how they can "bloom themselves to death." What do you
think.

My new phal is reblooming off a broken shoot
Do you let your phal rebloom off the shoot , or cut the shoot back so it
only blooms 1 x a year

Diane


"Ray @ First Rays Orchids" wrote in message
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I think your speaker told more than he knows.

Before the "big freeze" that completely wiped me out, I had a pink-spotted
white phal that had bloomed reliably for 17 or 18 years. As a matter of
fact, due to size and maturity, it got better every year.

--

Ray Barkalow First Rays Orchids
http://www.firstrays.com
Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info!


"Diane Mancino" wrote in message
t...
how old is this phal, and how many times has it bllomed? We were

discussing
Phals at the OS meeting this week and it was mentioned that Phals can be
over bloomed. The Speaker rarely saw a phal over 10 yrs old. Just a
thought.

Diane
"Ray @ First Rays Orchids" wrote in message
...
That does not sound like a plant with healthy roots. Are you sure

they're
OK?

--

Ray Barkalow First Rays Orchids
http://www.firstrays.com
Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info!


wrote in message
t...
I have had a phal (further ID unknown) for about a year now, and the
roots are thriving, thick, green, and happy. They are, in fact,
filling a five-inch pot. The leaves, however, are not happy. Over

the
past SIX MONTHS, the lower leaves have, one by one, begun yellowing

at
the tip and then falling off. Currently, it is down to one yellow

leaf
and one new, small, medium-green leaf that looks very healthy. What

am
I doing wrong?

Two months ago, I repotted the plant in a clear plastic orchid pot

with
medium bark and rocks in the bottom for good drainage (no change in
leaf health, but the roots continued to thrive). It sits in an
east-facing sunroom window. My temperatures (NE USA) run 80-65

degrees.
Three fans are running at all times. I use a very dilute fertilizer.

I
squirt it daily so the roots are always a little moist--and I keep
water out of the crown (no crown rot). I've sprayed the leaves with
fungicide and pesticide. I've examined the leaves with a jeweler's
loupe, and I can't see any bugs. The phal next to it has perfectly
healthy leaves and is blooming, so what is wrong with this plant?

How
can the roots be so healthy when the leaves are so unhealthy? If all
the leaves drop off, should I keep watering the roots and hope for

more
leaves?

Thanks for any insight.










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