Kenni,

Got your email. Thanks. Unfortunately could not respond since your email
server thinks I am a spammer, and the instructions it provided for remedying
this were too complex for me to follow at this time (contacting my ISP and
asking them to change some setting in my Web Mail).

I have started thinking of childproofing the orchids, but have not started
acting on it yet. For now Robert is thankfully not a danger to them yet, but
I know that this will change in no time at all.

Best,
Joanna

When you figure out how to do it, please pass it along. I have my own first
born due in June.

Kye.

"J Fortuna" wrote in message
news:2Ituf.16832$z45.2184@trnddc02...
Kenni,

Got your email. Thanks. Unfortunately could not respond since your email
server thinks I am a spammer, and the instructions it provided for
remedying this were too complex for me to follow at this time (contacting
my ISP and asking them to change some setting in my Web Mail).

I have started thinking of childproofing the orchids, but have not started
acting on it yet. For now Robert is thankfully not a danger to them yet,
but I know that this will change in no time at all.

Best,
Joanna

Electric fence?

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:57:36 +1000, "Kye" wrote:

When you figure out how to do it, please pass it along. I have my own first
born due in June.

Kye.

"J Fortuna" wrote in message
news:2Ituf.16832$z45.2184@trnddc02...
Kenni,

Got your email. Thanks. Unfortunately could not respond since your email
server thinks I am a spammer, and the instructions it provided for
remedying this were too complex for me to follow at this time (contacting
my ISP and asking them to change some setting in my Web Mail).

I have started thinking of childproofing the orchids, but have not started
acting on it yet. For now Robert is thankfully not a danger to them yet,
but I know that this will change in no time at all.

Best,
Joanna


Dave Gillingham
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To email me remove the .private from my email address.

RANT warning.

About one in 10 emails caught in my spam trap are bounced there from other
spam traps because my email address has been spoofed into the return email
address. Emails I never sent. I have actually received email from people
on my email pass list (Reka among them) that were not sent by the people
they claimed to be from. Even a rare event such as this coincidence becomes
common given the shear scale of spam flowing through the system.

Email is turning out to be a real nightmare when used for legitimate
communication.

Customers email me questions and then their servers and spam protocols make
me jump through hoops just to respond.

Recently a lot of hotmail and yahoo users act as if I am not responding to
their emails or order inquiries and I am sure a spam trap on these servers
is "protecting" them from my replies and order confirmations. And I really
can't blame the customers if they don't have time to deal with regular spam
trap reviews. It only takes 48 hours for the list of spam in these
directories to grow to mid numbing proportions

My email address is 10 years old. I get hundreds of spam messages every
morning. I have developed a very good spam filter system on my own and have
even taught it to recognize real and fake hotmail addresses. Most real
emails make it through, but it takes 30 to 45 minutes every morning just to
hunt down the one or two legitimate email a week that my spam filter rules
mistake for spam.

No matter how many clues I give on my website to help people get emails
safely by the filters, somehow they never catch on. They manage to find my
email address on the website but miss the clues. The buzz word orchid in the
subject of an email to me is magic. :-) Subjects lines like "a question
about something on your website" is probably going to be missed if it ends
up in the spam trap.

On the other end. I am always finding, "Did you get my order from a few
days ago" emails from people who are wondering if my secure sever is broken
when my actual replies (with the word orchid in the subject) are buried in
their spam directories.

I hate spam. I don't need "Viagra soft tabs" or a new mortgage and I am not
interested in updating my bank account info, so just stop it.

Now I may be a little different than other people in the orchid world, but
for the record all you ORCHID RELATED spammers out there (and some of you
are not in China) , I don't like getting unsolicited email from YOU either.
Don't tell me I asked for it when I visited your site or bought plants from
you. I can assure you I won't make that mistake again. And I can assure
you, after the first one, future UCE from your address never makes it passed
my spam trap so you'll never know what I think of your marketing techniques.
I will not respond with the word 'remove' in the subject. Sorry. *My*
email address. *My* rules. AHHHHHHH

I suspect that last paragraph touched some nerves, but it's just how I feel.
I don't see why I should have to treat orchid related UCE any different than
I treat the Viagra pushers. Its all spam.

Rant concluded. Peace be with you.

"Dave Gillingham" wrote in message
...
Electric fence?

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:57:36 +1000, "Kye" wrote:

When you figure out how to do it, please pass it along. I have my own
first
born due in June.

Kye.

"J Fortuna" wrote in message
news:2Ituf.16832$z45.2184@trnddc02...
Kenni,

Got your email. Thanks. Unfortunately could not respond since your email
server thinks I am a spammer, and the instructions it provided for
remedying this were too complex for me to follow at this time
(contacting
my ISP and asking them to change some setting in my Web Mail).

I have started thinking of childproofing the orchids, but have not
started
acting on it yet. For now Robert is thankfully not a danger to them yet,
but I know that this will change in no time at all.

Best,
Joanna


Dave Gillingham
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To email me remove the .private from my email address.

Very good, Al.

Some of my favorites are the warnings from
warning me of my violations, that my email account will be shut down, etc.,
etc..

I wonder who that admin might be???

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"Al" wrote in message
...
RANT warning.

About one in 10 emails caught in my spam trap are bounced there from other
spam traps because my email address has been spoofed into the return email
address. Emails I never sent. I have actually received email from people
on my email pass list (Reka among them) that were not sent by the people
they claimed to be from. Even a rare event such as this coincidence
becomes common given the shear scale of spam flowing through the system.

Email is turning out to be a real nightmare when used for legitimate
communication.

Customers email me questions and then their servers and spam protocols
make me jump through hoops just to respond.

Recently a lot of hotmail and yahoo users act as if I am not responding to
their emails or order inquiries and I am sure a spam trap on these servers
is "protecting" them from my replies and order confirmations. And I
really can't blame the customers if they don't have time to deal with
regular spam trap reviews. It only takes 48 hours for the list of spam in
these directories to grow to mid numbing proportions

My email address is 10 years old. I get hundreds of spam messages every
morning. I have developed a very good spam filter system on my own and
have even taught it to recognize real and fake hotmail addresses. Most
real emails make it through, but it takes 30 to 45 minutes every morning
just to hunt down the one or two legitimate email a week that my spam
filter rules mistake for spam.

No matter how many clues I give on my website to help people get emails
safely by the filters, somehow they never catch on. They manage to find
my email address on the website but miss the clues. The buzz word orchid
in the subject of an email to me is magic. :-) Subjects lines like "a
question about something on your website" is probably going to be missed
if it ends up in the spam trap.

On the other end. I am always finding, "Did you get my order from a few
days ago" emails from people who are wondering if my secure sever is
broken when my actual replies (with the word orchid in the subject) are
buried in their spam directories.

I hate spam. I don't need "Viagra soft tabs" or a new mortgage and I am
not interested in updating my bank account info, so just stop it.

Now I may be a little different than other people in the orchid world, but
for the record all you ORCHID RELATED spammers out there (and some of you
are not in China) , I don't like getting unsolicited email from YOU
either. Don't tell me I asked for it when I visited your site or bought
plants from you. I can assure you I won't make that mistake again. And I
can assure you, after the first one, future UCE from your address never
makes it passed my spam trap so you'll never know what I think of your
marketing techniques. I will not respond with the word 'remove' in the
subject. Sorry. *My* email address. *My* rules. AHHHHHHH

I suspect that last paragraph touched some nerves, but it's just how I
feel. I don't see why I should have to treat orchid related UCE any
different than I treat the Viagra pushers. Its all spam.

Rant concluded. Peace be with you.

"Dave Gillingham" wrote in message
...
Electric fence?

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:57:36 +1000, "Kye" wrote:

When you figure out how to do it, please pass it along. I have my own
first
born due in June.

Kye.

"J Fortuna" wrote in message
news:2Ituf.16832$z45.2184@trnddc02...
Kenni,

Got your email. Thanks. Unfortunately could not respond since your
email
server thinks I am a spammer, and the instructions it provided for
remedying this were too complex for me to follow at this time
(contacting
my ISP and asking them to change some setting in my Web Mail).

I have started thinking of childproofing the orchids, but have not
started
acting on it yet. For now Robert is thankfully not a danger to them
yet,
but I know that this will change in no time at all.

Best,
Joanna


Dave Gillingham
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To email me remove the .private from my email address.

Spam is killing email.

I just came back here because I thought of a line I wish had include in my
rant:
"Viagra Soft Tabs. I could never swallow an oxymoron that big anyway, so
just stop it."

"Ray" wrote in message
...
Very good, Al.

Some of my favorites are the warnings from
warning me of my violations, that my email account will be shut down,
etc., etc..

I wonder who that admin might be???

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"Al" wrote in message
...
RANT warning.

About one in 10 emails caught in my spam trap are bounced there from
other spam traps because my email address has been spoofed into the
return email address. Emails I never sent. I have actually received
email from people on my email pass list (Reka among them) that were not
sent by the people they claimed to be from. Even a rare event such as
this coincidence becomes common given the shear scale of spam flowing
through the system.

Email is turning out to be a real nightmare when used for legitimate
communication.

Customers email me questions and then their servers and spam protocols
make me jump through hoops just to respond.

Recently a lot of hotmail and yahoo users act as if I am not responding
to their emails or order inquiries and I am sure a spam trap on these
servers is "protecting" them from my replies and order confirmations.
And I really can't blame the customers if they don't have time to deal
with regular spam trap reviews. It only takes 48 hours for the list of
spam in these directories to grow to mid numbing proportions

My email address is 10 years old. I get hundreds of spam messages every
morning. I have developed a very good spam filter system on my own and
have even taught it to recognize real and fake hotmail addresses. Most
real emails make it through, but it takes 30 to 45 minutes every morning
just to hunt down the one or two legitimate email a week that my spam
filter rules mistake for spam.

No matter how many clues I give on my website to help people get emails
safely by the filters, somehow they never catch on. They manage to find
my email address on the website but miss the clues. The buzz word orchid
in the subject of an email to me is magic. :-) Subjects lines like "a
question about something on your website" is probably going to be missed
if it ends up in the spam trap.

On the other end. I am always finding, "Did you get my order from a few
days ago" emails from people who are wondering if my secure sever is
broken when my actual replies (with the word orchid in the subject) are
buried in their spam directories.

I hate spam. I don't need "Viagra soft tabs" or a new mortgage and I am
not interested in updating my bank account info, so just stop it.

Now I may be a little different than other people in the orchid world,
but for the record all you ORCHID RELATED spammers out there (and some of
you are not in China) , I don't like getting unsolicited email from YOU
either. Don't tell me I asked for it when I visited your site or bought
plants from you. I can assure you I won't make that mistake again. And
I can assure you, after the first one, future UCE from your address never
makes it passed my spam trap so you'll never know what I think of your
marketing techniques. I will not respond with the word 'remove' in the
subject. Sorry. *My* email address. *My* rules. AHHHHHHH

I suspect that last paragraph touched some nerves, but it's just how I
feel. I don't see why I should have to treat orchid related UCE any
different than I treat the Viagra pushers. Its all spam.

Rant concluded. Peace be with you.

"Dave Gillingham" wrote in message
...
Electric fence?

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:57:36 +1000, "Kye" wrote:

When you figure out how to do it, please pass it along. I have my own
first
born due in June.

Kye.

"J Fortuna" wrote in message
news:2Ituf.16832$z45.2184@trnddc02...
Kenni,

Got your email. Thanks. Unfortunately could not respond since your
email
server thinks I am a spammer, and the instructions it provided for
remedying this were too complex for me to follow at this time
(contacting
my ISP and asking them to change some setting in my Web Mail).

I have started thinking of childproofing the orchids, but have not
started
acting on it yet. For now Robert is thankfully not a danger to them
yet,
but I know that this will change in no time at all.

Best,
Joanna


Dave Gillingham
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To email me remove the .private from my email address.

Al wrote:
Spam is killing email.
................
........

It's so simple. If nobody ever responded to spam, if nobody ever gave
money to people selling by sending spam, the spam would stop. Sending
spam would be a waste of time if there was no money to be made.
Is there a chance that people could be educated enough to make a
difference? Dream on.

Steve

In article ,
says...
~Very good, Al.
~
~Some of my favorites are the warnings from
~warning me of my violations, that my email account will be shut down, etc.,
~etc..
~
~I wonder who that admin might be???
~
~
Ray, your position has been refilled and you will soon be fired, but they
wanted to break it to you slowly.
--
--
Reka

This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it!
http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html

In article , says...
~RANT warning.
~
~About one in 10 emails caught in my spam trap are bounced there from other
~spam traps because my email address has been spoofed into the return email
~address. Emails I never sent. I have actually received email from people
~on my email pass list (Reka among them) that were not sent by the people
~they claimed to be from. Even a rare event such as this coincidence becomes
~common given the shear scale of spam flowing through the system.

Al, everything you say is right, and I get just as mad about it, but did
you have to drop *my* name? It makes me feel like a criminal!
--
Reka

This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it!
http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html

In article ,
says...
~In article ,
~says...
~~Very good, Al.
~~
~~Some of my favorites are the warnings from
~~warning me of my violations, that my email account will be shut down, etc.,
~~etc..
~~
~~I wonder who that admin might be???
~~
~~
~Ray, your position has been refilled and you will soon be fired, but they
~wanted to break it to you slowly.
~--
~
P.S. maybe "they" are some of Al's friends from outer space?
--
--
Reka

This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it!
http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html

Al wrote:
RANT warning.

About one in 10 emails caught in my spam trap are bounced there from other
spam traps because my email address has been spoofed into the return email
address. Emails I never sent. I have actually received email from people
on my email pass list (Reka among them) that were not sent by the people
they claimed to be from. Even a rare event such as this coincidence becomes
common given the shear scale of spam flowing through the system.

Email is turning out to be a real nightmare when used for legitimate
communication.

Customers email me questions and then their servers and spam protocols make
me jump through hoops just to respond.

Recently a lot of hotmail and yahoo users act as if I am not responding to
their emails or order inquiries and I am sure a spam trap on these servers
is "protecting" them from my replies and order confirmations. And I really
can't blame the customers if they don't have time to deal with regular spam
trap reviews. It only takes 48 hours for the list of spam in these
directories to grow to mid numbing proportions

My email address is 10 years old. I get hundreds of spam messages every
morning. I have developed a very good spam filter system on my own and have
even taught it to recognize real and fake hotmail addresses. Most real
emails make it through, but it takes 30 to 45 minutes every morning just to
hunt down the one or two legitimate email a week that my spam filter rules
mistake for spam.

No matter how many clues I give on my website to help people get emails
safely by the filters, somehow they never catch on. They manage to find my
email address on the website but miss the clues. The buzz word orchid in the
subject of an email to me is magic. :-) Subjects lines like "a question
about something on your website" is probably going to be missed if it ends
up in the spam trap.

On the other end. I am always finding, "Did you get my order from a few
days ago" emails from people who are wondering if my secure sever is broken
when my actual replies (with the word orchid in the subject) are buried in
their spam directories.

I hate spam. I don't need "Viagra soft tabs" or a new mortgage and I am not
interested in updating my bank account info, so just stop it.

Now I may be a little different than other people in the orchid world, but
for the record all you ORCHID RELATED spammers out there (and some of you
are not in China) , I don't like getting unsolicited email from YOU either.
Don't tell me I asked for it when I visited your site or bought plants from
you. I can assure you I won't make that mistake again. And I can assure
you, after the first one, future UCE from your address never makes it passed
my spam trap so you'll never know what I think of your marketing techniques.
I will not respond with the word 'remove' in the subject. Sorry. *My*
email address. *My* rules. AHHHHHHH

I suspect that last paragraph touched some nerves, but it's just how I feel.
I don't see why I should have to treat orchid related UCE any different than
I treat the Viagra pushers. Its all spam.

Rant concluded. Peace be with you.


I'm with you. I may have over-reacted but I felt it was more
appropriate to over react than under-react. I deleted the OrchidSafari
email list from my computer because I was suddenly getting spam from
people on the list. I *believe* it was a coincidence, the same people
being on the similar lists (like the OGD or whathaveyou), however I
chose to be conservative. Rather than have the list attacked I chose to
delete it. Another fellow is trying to rebuild it, he uses mac gear,so
maybe he'll have fewer bot attacks. We'll see how that goes.

It goes further than email attacks, I'm spending time on hold trying to
figure out if one of my bank accounts has had my identity robbed. I
suddenly realise I haven't gotten a statement since October. [sigh]
I'm probably OK, but sheesh, I'd rather not be on hold.

K Barrett

I dropped your name because it was the first time I ever got a spam email
with the spoofed sender's address being an address of a person I knew. It
was years ago. I wondered, what are the chances of that!? But soon it
happened again and again with other email names. I realized it was like,
"given the shear number of stars in all the galaxies in the universe, a
person should be able to see a super nova every day or so if they look in
the right place at the right time." And it true...the scale of it all makes
it likely if you scan the skies the same way I scan my spam trap. I'm gonna
miss some too. The numbers make it likely.

The following paragraph is in my auto-text file, because I have need of it
so often. All I have to do is push a key and the whole group of sentences
appears appears in an email:

I'm sorry you did not get my reply to your other email. I did send one. A
copy of it is appended to this email for your reference. If you do not get
*this* one, please check your spam trap before writing again. :-)

Actually I am starting to think that there must be many levels of spam scan
that email goes through and sometimes they do disappear before they get to
the end user's personal spam scanner. I think this is why so many of my
hotmail and yahoo user customers often don't get my responses....but i don't
know...

"Reka" wrote in message
.. .
In article , says...
~RANT warning.
~
~About one in 10 emails caught in my spam trap are bounced there from
other
~spam traps because my email address has been spoofed into the return
email
~address. Emails I never sent. I have actually received email from
people
~on my email pass list (Reka among them) that were not sent by the people
~they claimed to be from. Even a rare event such as this coincidence
becomes
~common given the shear scale of spam flowing through the system.

Al, everything you say is right, and I get just as mad about it, but did
you have to drop *my* name? It makes me feel like a criminal!
--
Reka

This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it!
http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html

Well, maybe you DO have a new boss VBG. But what about the ones that
actually purport to be from YOU? I have done MANY foolish things in my
life, but trying to sell myself a product to enlarge a body part I don't
have is not one of them ... Kenni

"Ray" wrote in message
...
Very good, Al.

Some of my favorites are the warnings from
warning me of my violations, that my email account will be shut down,
etc., etc..

I wonder who that admin might be???

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!

I remember some while back when we on this board were comparing how many
weird spams we were getting, all around 145 kb. Though I don't remember the
subjects, clearly they were related. At that time we set our file size
limits to trap the junk. Things have come a long way since then, not all for
the good. Frank and I were inundated with crapola, and I would read subject
lines off of the server before bringing them into O/E.

I will tell you this, however. We changed ISP from Earthlink to Bell South
last year. I disguised our return addie with respect to boards like this on
both computers, but not for regular email. Other than that, I have not
messed with the filters, and we are totally spam free. Frank got a couple
not long after we switched, but that stopped. Should it start up again, I'll
take pains to stop it, including blocking anyone not in our address books.
Clearly, that doesn't work for people like Al or Ray.

Spam free and smug in FL

Diana

Just to add my 2c to the discussion....

I've had a very public email address for 8 years or so. I had it on my
personal website long before the spam was an issue - and by the time it
became an issue, it was too late to take down - it wouldn't have helped, so
it stays.

I use Outlook and pay MONEY for probably one of the best spam filtering
programs out there - Cloudmark Spamnet.

It has NEVER flagged a personal email directed to me. It occassionally flags
a newsletter, but those are very rare - 3x a year max.

I use a Mac at work and the spam filtering built into the MacOS mail program
is pretty good. More spam gets through than at home, but it learns and is
slowly getting better.

The problem I am having is the STUPID real-time spam blacklists. I swear I
hope someone figures out a way to sue them for the shirt off their backs.
They allow ANYONE to claim that a message is spam and they DO NOT verify
before adding entire ISPs to the "spam" lists.

Then the spam lists are distributed to thousands of other ISPs.

Every few weeks my ISP is added to the blacklists and all of my outgoing
mail to people starts bouncing. It usually takes 2-3 days for my ISP to
convince the blacklist people that we're not spammers, but damn it's
annoying, and IMHO they are as bad as the spam they are trying to prevent.

And I refuse to reply to the challenge-response spam systems some people
subscribe to. You mean you're sending ME an email and then I have to jump
through hoops before my reply is even delivered to you? Nope, sorry, homey
don' play that game.

Ahhh, that felt good, getting the spam related venting done. =)

-Eric in SF
www.orchidphotos.org