how do u water phal to avoid crown rot?
I keep my phal in a plastic pot with all the roots hidden under the compost.
In this case, how doule u water or feed the plant to avoid crown rot? just spray mist to keep the leaves wet? "Ray @ First Rays Orchids" wrote in message ... I have a gigantea hybrid growing in an eight-inch basket hung sideways. It still provides a decent medium-holding arrangement while totally avoiding rot. -- Ray Barkalow First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info! "tom bell" wrote in message ... I've had good luck with Phals, but I've read that you can minimize crown rot problems if you support pots in a semi-horizontal position, or even mount the plants on bark. Tom From: Organization: AT&T Broadband Newsgroups: rec.gardens.orchids Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:43:23 GMT Subject: crown rot Thanks for the advice! This was an unknown cross that I bought at my local nursery, so I guess I will just say goodbye, even though I hate to give up on anything that looks halfway alive. I'll give phals one last try and buy a replacement--which I will immediately put into PrimeAgra so I don't kill it by over-watering it or over-head watering it. Carter and Holmes has some nice phal crosses--and some nice species. The mini catts that I've bought from them are as tough as nails, so maybe their phals are too. In article k.net, "Gene Schurg" wrote: Hang in there Cady! Crown rot seems to occur when water gets into the crown and foster bacteria. I've also seen it when the young leaf is forming and damage occurs to that leaf. The leaf dies and rots out the entire crown. Maybe it was bug damage or just rough handling....who knows for sure. You have to decide at this point how much the plant is worth to you. Some Phals will send out a new lead from a domant bud. It will be a couple of years before the plant fully recovers if the plant does this. If the plant was a generic phal you purchased to enjoy the blooms then I'd say dump it and start over. If it was a gift from a child who saved pennies to buy it for dear aunt Cady then you will do anything to keep it alive. I'd say about 90% of the phals that get crown rot never make it back to blooming again. The ones I've had recover usually had a healthy leaf left to nurish the plant until the new growth get large enough to survive. Some Phals are very prone to crown rot. I've killed a dozen Phal amablis species over the years. I finally put one in a hanging basket hung on end to keep the water from building up in the crown. Phals are beginner plants but we have to keep it challenging. This is what keeps us separate from the African Violet growers! Good Growing, Gene wrote in message t... A phal with dying leaves turned out to have crown rot, even though I was sure that it wasn't. Even spraying with Physan 20 didn't stop the rot. Now I have a pot with lots of healthy roots but no leaves. Is there any way to save the plant and have it grow more leaves, or should I just admit failure and move on? (I don't know why people call these "beginners' orchids"--I keep killing them, but my catts and dendrobiums do just fine.) |
how do u water phal to avoid crown rot?
Why do you want to keep the leaves wet? That's what can lead to rot.
-- Ray Barkalow First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info! "boochap" wrote in message ... I keep my phal in a plastic pot with all the roots hidden under the compost. In this case, how doule u water or feed the plant to avoid crown rot? just spray mist to keep the leaves wet? "Ray @ First Rays Orchids" wrote in message ... I have a gigantea hybrid growing in an eight-inch basket hung sideways. It still provides a decent medium-holding arrangement while totally avoiding rot. -- Ray Barkalow First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info! "tom bell" wrote in message ... I've had good luck with Phals, but I've read that you can minimize crown rot problems if you support pots in a semi-horizontal position, or even mount the plants on bark. Tom From: Organization: AT&T Broadband Newsgroups: rec.gardens.orchids Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:43:23 GMT Subject: crown rot Thanks for the advice! This was an unknown cross that I bought at my local nursery, so I guess I will just say goodbye, even though I hate to give up on anything that looks halfway alive. I'll give phals one last try and buy a replacement--which I will immediately put into PrimeAgra so I don't kill it by over-watering it or over-head watering it. Carter and Holmes has some nice phal crosses--and some nice species. The mini catts that I've bought from them are as tough as nails, so maybe their phals are too. In article k.net, "Gene Schurg" wrote: Hang in there Cady! Crown rot seems to occur when water gets into the crown and foster bacteria. I've also seen it when the young leaf is forming and damage occurs to that leaf. The leaf dies and rots out the entire crown. Maybe it was bug damage or just rough handling....who knows for sure. You have to decide at this point how much the plant is worth to you. Some Phals will send out a new lead from a domant bud. It will be a couple of years before the plant fully recovers if the plant does this. If the plant was a generic phal you purchased to enjoy the blooms then I'd say dump it and start over. If it was a gift from a child who saved pennies to buy it for dear aunt Cady then you will do anything to keep it alive. I'd say about 90% of the phals that get crown rot never make it back to blooming again. The ones I've had recover usually had a healthy leaf left to nurish the plant until the new growth get large enough to survive. Some Phals are very prone to crown rot. I've killed a dozen Phal amablis species over the years. I finally put one in a hanging basket hung on end to keep the water from building up in the crown. Phals are beginner plants but we have to keep it challenging. This is what keeps us separate from the African Violet growers! Good Growing, Gene wrote in message t... A phal with dying leaves turned out to have crown rot, even though I was sure that it wasn't. Even spraying with Physan 20 didn't stop the rot. Now I have a pot with lots of healthy roots but no leaves. Is there any way to save the plant and have it grow more leaves, or should I just admit failure and move on? (I don't know why people call these "beginners' orchids"--I keep killing them, but my catts and dendrobiums do just fine.) |
how do u water phal to avoid crown rot?
Dear Boo:
Rule # 1: Water in the morning and make sure the plant has good air circulation. You want the plant to have time to dry its leaves before it goes to bed. Avoid water collecting in the crown. Rule #2: See Rule #1. Diana |
how do u water phal to avoid crown rot?
When the ancient war dogs did battle on Sat, 5 Apr 2003 23:40:41
+0800, "boochap" did speak the following bit of wisdom: I keep my phal in a plastic pot with all the roots hidden under the compost. In this case, how doule u water or feed the plant to avoid crown rot? just spray mist to keep the leaves wet? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That's exactly what you *don't* want to do. The water will drip down into the crown of the plant and help to cause rot. If you want to be extra safe, you should keep water off Phal leaves as much as possible. The exception would be if you are watering first thing in the morning and have excellent air flow all around the plants so they can quickly dry off. There are tricks people use, like laying the pot on its side or tilting it so water can run away from the crown of the plant. In any case, you want the leaves to be dry by nightfall. Just carefully water the actual orchid media and let all the water drain out of the pot before you replace them in their usual place. They shouldn't stand in water. * * * * * Karen C. Southern CT / USDA Zone 6 Spammers be damned! I can't be emailed from this account... "Gardeners know all the best dirt!" |
how do u water phal to avoid crown rot?
thanks!
my first phal die of crown rot....a lesson i'll not forget everytime i water my 2nd phal. wrote in message ... When the ancient war dogs did battle on Sat, 5 Apr 2003 23:40:41 +0800, "boochap" did speak the following bit of wisdom: I keep my phal in a plastic pot with all the roots hidden under the compost. In this case, how doule u water or feed the plant to avoid crown rot? just spray mist to keep the leaves wet? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That's exactly what you *don't* want to do. The water will drip down into the crown of the plant and help to cause rot. If you want to be extra safe, you should keep water off Phal leaves as much as possible. The exception would be if you are watering first thing in the morning and have excellent air flow all around the plants so they can quickly dry off. There are tricks people use, like laying the pot on its side or tilting it so water can run away from the crown of the plant. In any case, you want the leaves to be dry by nightfall. Just carefully water the actual orchid media and let all the water drain out of the pot before you replace them in their usual place. They shouldn't stand in water. * * * * * Karen C. Southern CT / USDA Zone 6 Spammers be damned! I can't be emailed from this account... "Gardeners know all the best dirt!" |
how do u water phal to avoid crown rot?
Fred Bergman, a local phal breeder, and sometimes contributor to Orchids and
other related publications, discovered recently that spraying water with a little dish soap in it into the crown of the plant will allow water to drain readily through the leaves ... the old surface tension principle. Do it whenever the water stops draining from the crown. As for keeping the leaves wet, etc., use a humidity tray for indoor growing and find them a nice shady place outside as soon as nighttime temperatures get consistently above 50 degrees. (Unless of course you live in the desert, but you wouldn't have crown rot problems in he desert, would you?) Mark From: "boochap" Organization: StarHub Internet Pte Ltd Newsgroups: rec.gardens.orchids Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 01:40:02 +0800 Subject: how do u water phal to avoid crown rot? thanks! my first phal die of crown rot....a lesson i'll not forget everytime i water my 2nd phal. wrote in message ... When the ancient war dogs did battle on Sat, 5 Apr 2003 23:40:41 +0800, "boochap" did speak the following bit of wisdom: I keep my phal in a plastic pot with all the roots hidden under the compost. In this case, how doule u water or feed the plant to avoid crown rot? just spray mist to keep the leaves wet? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That's exactly what you *don't* want to do. The water will drip down into the crown of the plant and help to cause rot. If you want to be extra safe, you should keep water off Phal leaves as much as possible. The exception would be if you are watering first thing in the morning and have excellent air flow all around the plants so they can quickly dry off. There are tricks people use, like laying the pot on its side or tilting it so water can run away from the crown of the plant. In any case, you want the leaves to be dry by nightfall. Just carefully water the actual orchid media and let all the water drain out of the pot before you replace them in their usual place. They shouldn't stand in water. * * * * * Karen C. Southern CT / USDA Zone 6 Spammers be damned! I can't be emailed from this account... "Gardeners know all the best dirt!" |
how do u water phal to avoid crown rot?
When the ancient war dogs did battle on Fri, 11 Apr 2003 01:40:02
+0800, "boochap" did speak the following bit of wisdom: my first phal die of crown rot....a lesson i'll not forget everytime i water my 2nd phal. Don't feel bad. Sometimes, you can't know why a plant will rot. Example: I have several blooming-sized seedlings that I treat all the same in regard to watering, light, humidity, airflow, etc. These plants all sit next to each other. I do not make a habit of wetting up leaves. Today, I walked past the rack and noticed that one of them had dropped all its leaves (3) and, on further examination, it looks like the crown had rotted. It still has some nice, plump roots. So I've sprinkled the crown with some cinnamon and put the plant aside, away from its siblings. If it lives, terrific. If not? Oh well... There are 6 more like it on my shelf. :( I figure that any baby or young plant that fails to thrive wasn't very strong to begin with. And if it dies, it's sad, but I chalk it up to survival of the fittest. * * * * * Karen C. Southern CT / USDA Zone 6 Spammers be damned! I can't be emailed from this account... "Gardeners know all the best dirt!" |
I recently purchased my first orchid. Within a month one by one, my blooms and now my leaves have fallen off. I'm not doing so well. Could this be crown rot? Does this mean I am overwatering? It is a phal taipei. Any advice is welcomed and appreciated. Thank you. Chrissykp
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Hello!
It could be roots rot! How is the medium? I would repot the plant in fresh medium, cut old mushy roots and give the plant a rest ! Claude "chrissykp" wrote in message news:1109621328.bcef8eba78cf20a1dded6645802061d8@t eranews... | | I recently purchased my first orchid. Within a month one by one, my | blooms and now my leaves have fallen off. I'm not doing so well. | Could this be crown rot? Does this mean I am overwatering? It is a | phal taipei. Any advice is welcomed and appreciated. Thank you. | Chrissykp | | | -- | chrissykp |
Claude,
Thanks for the quick advice. So you say, take the plant out of the medium, cut mushy roots, replant in well draining pot, in fresh medium (orchid bark mix I presume) and give it a rest. And by rest you mean cut back on the watering? I have seen other people mention compost? Or do I stick to just bark. I have also seen that people mist their orchids daily? Or do I just water the medium once a week. Thanks for taking the time to answer my obviously novice questions! What does a healthy vs mushy root look like? | Chrissykp | | | -- | chrissykp[/quote] |
Chrissy,
If you use spraghum moss and a few pieces of bark mixed in you'll do fine for a medium. As a beginner read up on Phals. For instance: Water it when it is just this side of dry or dry for one day. When you water it don't leave water standing in it's crown and don't leave water in a drain dish- this is a sure fire way to kill your orchid. Put it where it gets light (east window) but not hot. Try not to move your orchid around - it's funny - I use a small hand mirror to look at blooms and stems. You won't damage your plant this way. Keep us posted and we'll tell you the do's and don'ts - we have to hear how your treating your plant in order to help........Burr |
Thank you so much for your clear advice. I have been trying to read up on phals and just find so much conflicting advice. They also tend to use alot of jargon with which I am not yet savy. I will try your scrip and see how it goes. Thanks again.
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I just joined this group and I missed the scrip....
Please repost... Many thanks in advance "chrissykp" wrote in message news:1110269257.6c1c383e3abd50051955ffe5d42fee1a@t eranews... Thank you so much for your clear advice. I have been trying to read up on phals and just find so much conflicting advice. They also tend to use alot of jargon with which I am not yet savy. I will try your scrip and see how it goes. Thanks again. -- chrissykp |
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