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Compotting a flask
I know that I know this but..
When you get a flask and some of the seedlings still haven't developed roots how do you compot them? I was potting out a flask yesterday and acouple of clumps of seedlings were anchored togather with what looked to be seed hulls (brown and kinda lumpy) and hadn't developped roots. Do you toss them or do you put them in the compot and wait for roots to develop? and is sterial technique very important in compotting? Jack |
Compotting a flask
They're likely goners, in my experience. I usually pot 'em up, but don't
expect them to grow. Sterility is lost once you open the flask. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info! "Jack" wrote in message oups.com... I know that I know this but.. When you get a flask and some of the seedlings still haven't developed roots how do you compot them? I was potting out a flask yesterday and acouple of clumps of seedlings were anchored togather with what looked to be seed hulls (brown and kinda lumpy) and hadn't developped roots. Do you toss them or do you put them in the compot and wait for roots to develop? and is sterial technique very important in compotting? Jack |
Compotting a flask
Thanks
Guess I'll see what develops Jack |
Compotting a flask
Occasionally I get some type of contamination in flasks of very young
protocormy orchid babies that just mean too much to me to throw away. It seems the more they mean to me and the fewer flasks there are the more likely I am to get contamination. Anyway, I have taken such tiny plants and laid them on a thin sheet of moss and more recently a shallow bed of pea gravel and put them under a sprinkler system timed to provide daily to 3 or four times a week watering. Otherwise I try to pretend they are not around because if you pester them or acknowledge them too often they will die just to prove the universe is perverse. I have had more success with gravel than moss. I don't think daily or frequent misting is good for them. My daily watering system comes on for 30 minutes and then goes off for 24 hours in the area where they are left to fend for themselves. I am often pleasantly surprised by how many survive and grow into plants, but I think Ray is correct, they are probably goners. "Jack" wrote in message oups.com... I know that I know this but.. When you get a flask and some of the seedlings still haven't developed roots how do you compot them? I was potting out a flask yesterday and acouple of clumps of seedlings were anchored togather with what looked to be seed hulls (brown and kinda lumpy) and hadn't developped roots. Do you toss them or do you put them in the compot and wait for roots to develop? and is sterial technique very important in compotting? Jack |
Compotting a flask
well now some of the leaves are turning kinda transparent, and some are
falling off, I don't think it is a humidity problem, I have them in open baggies. and haven't seen any root growth yet.. Jack |
Compotting a flask
Al, your 30 min. sprinkler water cycle is interesting. I have noticed
that rain, my plants are outside, really seems to perk up the plants. Compared to watering, which lasts a few seconds. So maybe I will try that. Joe T Houston |
Compotting a flask
what type of sprinkler system do you use, I use rainbird spray heads
for a drip system. When I build my green house I want to set up a drip system and put in overhead misters, I found some low presure micro misters (vs fine spray) online, but still need to figure out a way to up the pressure in the lines to about 70psi. Jack |
Compotting a flask
All of the sprinkler heads, line, tubing, emitters, pressure regulators,
filters credit card bills etc, etc came from dripworksusa.com. The rainforest cage in the back of the greenhouse uses what they call a mini-mister. Each mister puts out 2 or so gallons an hour @ 20 psi. I have them spaced in a grid across the top at about 14 square inch intervals. Used this way, it is more like a fine rain at about 1/2 inch in half an hour on the plants below. The mounted plants and basket plants really like it. I run the fertilizer right through the water line. I do not have very high water pressure, it maxes out at about 45 psi and then dwindles to about 20 psi before the pump kicks back on. I have very low flow from the well...or the pump is as old as I am. Both may be true. I have lots of zones in the greenhouse. I still find I have to do a lot of watering by hand to keep up but the watering system does help a bit. I really want a higher flow rate and one day soon when some of the other bills are paid and oil prices come back down I will look into it. "Jack" wrote in message oups.com... what type of sprinkler system do you use, I use rainbird spray heads for a drip system. When I build my green house I want to set up a drip system and put in overhead misters, I found some low presure micro misters (vs fine spray) online, but still need to figure out a way to up the pressure in the lines to about 70psi. Jack |
Compotting a flask
I need to set up a small mister for my plants with a timer. I think it
would really help with plant growth. Joe T Houston |
Compotting a flask
well I run my off a sump pump which is connected to a standard hose
fitting, it took me a little looking at the hardware store to find a 3/4 to 1/2" push adapter. The pump is a 1/4 hp eletrict, it has a little power getting pressure to the top of my shelve ( a 6' rise) What you might want to do is see if you can get a larger pressure tank for your well head. I am trying to see if I can hook a presure tank into my system if I expand it and have it make up the pressure difference, I think if I use PVC and run it to a elevated pressure vessel that I should get good pressure, the part I couldn't figure out is how to wire, you have to delay the misters until pressure has built up. Jack |
Compotting a flask
If the pump can't get the pressure high enough, adding the tank won't help,
as it's the pump that pressurizes the tank. The tank does not add pressure, it merely "holds" it so the pump doesn't have to run unnecessarily. Typically, those setups consist of a pump, tank, and pressure switch, having an on/off pressure differential, in addition to a setpoint. When the pressure in the tank drops below that setpoint, the pump comes on and repressurizes it to the higher pressure of the differential, then shuts off until it gets below that lower setting. In most misting systems, the flow out is a lot less than the capacity of the pump. Rather than having a (numbers for extreme example only) 20 gpm pump running constantly while the mist heads are only allowing 1 gpm - a real strain on the pump motor - the tank allows the pump to function at full capacity then shut off. In my system, during a 20-minute continuous mist cycle, the pump runs four times for about a minute each time. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info! "Jack" wrote in message ups.com... well I run my off a sump pump which is connected to a standard hose fitting, it took me a little looking at the hardware store to find a 3/4 to 1/2" push adapter. The pump is a 1/4 hp eletrict, it has a little power getting pressure to the top of my shelve ( a 6' rise) What you might want to do is see if you can get a larger pressure tank for your well head. I am trying to see if I can hook a presure tank into my system if I expand it and have it make up the pressure difference, I think if I use PVC and run it to a elevated pressure vessel that I should get good pressure, the part I couldn't figure out is how to wire, you have to delay the misters until pressure has built up. Jack |
Compotting a flask
On 22 Apr 2006 22:45:12 -0700 in . com Jack wrote:
well I run my off a sump pump which is connected to a standard hose fitting, it took me a little looking at the hardware store to find a 3/4 to 1/2" push adapter. The pump is a 1/4 hp eletrict, it has a little power getting pressure to the top of my shelve ( a 6' rise) What you might want to do is see if you can get a larger pressure tank for your well head. I am trying to see if I can hook a presure tank into my system if I expand it and have it make up the pressure difference, I think if I use PVC and run it to a elevated pressure vessel that I should get good pressure, the part I couldn't figure out is how to wire, you have to delay the misters until pressure has built up. There are shallow well kits that should have all the bits ready to go. The pressure tank would have sensors that shut off the pump when it reaches a certain pressure and turns it on when it drops below another pressure. As memory serves this is adjustable. Al, As memory serves from the home inspection on my house, 18-20PSI is the expected cut on point for the pump. -- Chris Dukes tajwerk this job isnt bad though. Today we had free breakfast and B0rg implants. |
Compotting a flask
I use the small tanks at my washes to prevent water hammer. The
diaphragm has a definite life span, to check it, take it out of the system and fill it through the air valve on top, say, to about 20 PSI, no more, 10 is safer. The water should spurt out for awhile then stop, go slow. If after a bit air starts coming out the diaphragm is broken. Chunk the unit and replace with another. Another less positive way is to just add air to the pot. Your pump should stay on longer and off longer for a time. The air will be adsorbed or enter your system putting you back to square one. Joe T |
Compotting a flask
Just wanting to check if this is normal, all of the plants in one of my
compots have lost their leaves, they turned translucent then fell off, very limp, no browning or mold that I could see, the compots are in plastic bags with the tops open, I see new root growth but now this one lost all the leaves on the plants and some others are looking like they are going the same way. Any help appreciated Jack |
Compotting a flask
That would be a sure sign of death. Probably seedlings that couldn't handle
the transplant shock. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info! "Jack" wrote in message oups.com... Just wanting to check if this is normal, all of the plants in one of my compots have lost their leaves, they turned translucent then fell off, very limp, no browning or mold that I could see, the compots are in plastic bags with the tops open, I see new root growth but now this one lost all the leaves on the plants and some others are looking like they are going the same way. Any help appreciated Jack |
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