CITES re Euathe sanderiana
When I was still living in Manila, Philippines, I had a modest
collection of Euanthe sanderiana, which Filipinos refer to as "waling-waling". Most of the lot came from established orchid sellers/dealers, while a few were given to me as gift. With regard to their origin, whether they were lab-grown or harvested from the wilderness, I never truly knew. Said plants flourished under my care for years until I left the Philippines. Here in the US, I found some dealers of Euanthe sanderiana via the Internet. I contacted three of them and ordered some pieces from each. I am happy to note that, at the present, even if I only have a humble set up of baskets bearing said orchids in my California apartment's east-facing windows, my plants are flourishing! Well, my US work contract will end in 2007 and I will return to the Philippines soon afterwards. I will bring back with me most of the stuff that I own and love, including my apartment plants. But, I don't know how CITES impacts endangered flora trafficking, and how it relates to non-commercial transport of plants. Which of the following thoughts running through my mind is/are correct? 1. I am not involved in commercial plant selling/reselling. I am merely a hobbyist who likes growing the waling-waling, and I would like to bring along my apartment specimens back to the Philippines. How would the US Customs and the Philippine Customs officers deal with such a case? 2. Endangered species are NOT supposed to be taken out of their natural habitat. Meaning, harvesting the waling-waling from the wilderness is a violation. In my case, though, what I have are very likely lab-grown waling-waling plants. 3. Furthermore, I am not removing said endagered plants from Philippine forests and spiriting them away to some other country ... I am, in fact, bringing them along with me as personal effect. HELP? |
CITES re Euathe sanderiana
1) Euanthe sanderiana is a CITES Appendix II species, so international
trade is permitted. 2) CITES does not apply in this case, as there is no TRADE going on. Those points made, you have to deal with authorities interpretation of the rules, but I would hope that it would not be an issue. From the US' perspective, there is nothing to be concerned about, as they have absolutely no jurisdiction on your move and relocation of a tropical plant that is not a native. The bigger (and probably ONLY) issues are obtaining a phytosanitary certificate for the plants before you ship them, obtaining an import permit from the Philippines, preparing them for the importation process, and getting them "through the door" once you get there. However, the absolute best way to deal with the whole issue is to simply send them to me. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info! "Jose" wrote in message ... When I was still living in Manila, Philippines, I had a modest collection of Euanthe sanderiana, which Filipinos refer to as "waling-waling". Most of the lot came from established orchid sellers/dealers, while a few were given to me as gift. With regard to their origin, whether they were lab-grown or harvested from the wilderness, I never truly knew. Said plants flourished under my care for years until I left the Philippines. Here in the US, I found some dealers of Euanthe sanderiana via the Internet. I contacted three of them and ordered some pieces from each. I am happy to note that, at the present, even if I only have a humble set up of baskets bearing said orchids in my California apartment's east-facing windows, my plants are flourishing! Well, my US work contract will end in 2007 and I will return to the Philippines soon afterwards. I will bring back with me most of the stuff that I own and love, including my apartment plants. But, I don't know how CITES impacts endangered flora trafficking, and how it relates to non-commercial transport of plants. Which of the following thoughts running through my mind is/are correct? 1. I am not involved in commercial plant selling/reselling. I am merely a hobbyist who likes growing the waling-waling, and I would like to bring along my apartment specimens back to the Philippines. How would the US Customs and the Philippine Customs officers deal with such a case? 2. Endangered species are NOT supposed to be taken out of their natural habitat. Meaning, harvesting the waling-waling from the wilderness is a violation. In my case, though, what I have are very likely lab-grown waling-waling plants. 3. Furthermore, I am not removing said endagered plants from Philippine forests and spiriting them away to some other country ... I am, in fact, bringing them along with me as personal effect. HELP? |
CITES re Euathe sanderiana
Ray, while I think you are generally correct, it is possible that the
Phillipines may require a US export permit, on the far end. I have seen that happen with other countries. Kenni "Ray" wrote in message ... 1) Euanthe sanderiana is a CITES Appendix II species, so international trade is permitted. 2) CITES does not apply in this case, as there is no TRADE going on. Those points made, you have to deal with authorities interpretation of the rules, but I would hope that it would not be an issue. From the US' perspective, there is nothing to be concerned about, as they have absolutely no jurisdiction on your move and relocation of a tropical plant that is not a native. The bigger (and probably ONLY) issues are obtaining a phytosanitary certificate for the plants before you ship them, obtaining an import permit from the Philippines, preparing them for the importation process, and getting them "through the door" once you get there. However, the absolute best way to deal with the whole issue is to simply send them to me. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info! "Jose" wrote in message ... When I was still living in Manila, Philippines, I had a modest collection of Euanthe sanderiana, which Filipinos refer to as "waling-waling". Most of the lot came from established orchid sellers/dealers, while a few were given to me as gift. With regard to their origin, whether they were lab-grown or harvested from the wilderness, I never truly knew. Said plants flourished under my care for years until I left the Philippines. Here in the US, I found some dealers of Euanthe sanderiana via the Internet. I contacted three of them and ordered some pieces from each. I am happy to note that, at the present, even if I only have a humble set up of baskets bearing said orchids in my California apartment's east-facing windows, my plants are flourishing! Well, my US work contract will end in 2007 and I will return to the Philippines soon afterwards. I will bring back with me most of the stuff that I own and love, including my apartment plants. But, I don't know how CITES impacts endangered flora trafficking, and how it relates to non-commercial transport of plants. Which of the following thoughts running through my mind is/are correct? 1. I am not involved in commercial plant selling/reselling. I am merely a hobbyist who likes growing the waling-waling, and I would like to bring along my apartment specimens back to the Philippines. How would the US Customs and the Philippine Customs officers deal with such a case? 2. Endangered species are NOT supposed to be taken out of their natural habitat. Meaning, harvesting the waling-waling from the wilderness is a violation. In my case, though, what I have are very likely lab-grown waling-waling plants. 3. Furthermore, I am not removing said endagered plants from Philippine forests and spiriting them away to some other country ... I am, in fact, bringing them along with me as personal effect. HELP? |
CITES re Euathe sanderiana
Good point, Kenni, but I don't think that's true for the Philippines (but I
could be wrong...) -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info! "Kenni Judd" wrote in message ... Ray, while I think you are generally correct, it is possible that the Philippines may require a US export permit, on the far end. I have seen that happen with other countries. Kenni "Ray" wrote in message ... 1) Euanthe sanderiana is a CITES Appendix II species, so international trade is permitted. 2) CITES does not apply in this case, as there is no TRADE going on. Those points made, you have to deal with authorities interpretation of the rules, but I would hope that it would not be an issue. From the US' perspective, there is nothing to be concerned about, as they have absolutely no jurisdiction on your move and relocation of a tropical plant that is not a native. The bigger (and probably ONLY) issues are obtaining a phytosanitary certificate for the plants before you ship them, obtaining an import permit from the Philippines, preparing them for the importation process, and getting them "through the door" once you get there. However, the absolute best way to deal with the whole issue is to simply send them to me. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info! "Jose" wrote in message ... When I was still living in Manila, Philippines, I had a modest collection of Euanthe sanderiana, which Filipinos refer to as "waling-waling". Most of the lot came from established orchid sellers/dealers, while a few were given to me as gift. With regard to their origin, whether they were lab-grown or harvested from the wilderness, I never truly knew. Said plants flourished under my care for years until I left the Philippines. Here in the US, I found some dealers of Euanthe sanderiana via the Internet. I contacted three of them and ordered some pieces from each. I am happy to note that, at the present, even if I only have a humble set up of baskets bearing said orchids in my California apartment's east-facing windows, my plants are flourishing! Well, my US work contract will end in 2007 and I will return to the Philippines soon afterwards. I will bring back with me most of the stuff that I own and love, including my apartment plants. But, I don't know how CITES impacts endangered flora trafficking, and how it relates to non-commercial transport of plants. Which of the following thoughts running through my mind is/are correct? 1. I am not involved in commercial plant selling/reselling. I am merely a hobbyist who likes growing the waling-waling, and I would like to bring along my apartment specimens back to the Philippines. How would the US Customs and the Philippine Customs officers deal with such a case? 2. Endangered species are NOT supposed to be taken out of their natural habitat. Meaning, harvesting the waling-waling from the wilderness is a violation. In my case, though, what I have are very likely lab-grown waling-waling plants. 3. Furthermore, I am not removing said endagered plants from Philippine forests and spiriting them away to some other country ... I am, in fact, bringing them along with me as personal effect. HELP? |
Ray,
I'm afraid 'trade' in CITES language refers to any movement across borders, and not to one's intentions. So CITES does apply! Weng Quote:
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CITES re Euathe sanderiana
That's an unfortunate *******ization of the convention. It was developed
specifically for regulating trade (commercial sales), but has grown to cover all, as you stated, Weng. What's worse is the "unlevel playing field" when it comes to interpretation by the signatories individual responsible agencies. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info! "Weng" wrote in message ... Ray, I'm afraid 'trade' in CITES language refers to any movement across borders, and not to one's intentions. So CITES does apply! Weng Ray Wrote: 1) Euanthe sanderiana is a CITES Appendix II species, so international trade is permitted. 2) CITES does not apply in this case, as there is no TRADE going on. -- Weng[/color] |
Thanks to you three!
Hello. I was gone for awhile. I'm pleasantly surprised that there
have been replies to my inquiry. Very enlightening. So, please accept my thanks to you - Ray. Kenni and Weng. And, Ray, should I encounter any trouble getting Philippine import permit for my plants, I'll willingly part ways with one of them and send it to you. Regards, Jose PS I have a BUNCH of Paphiopedilum sanderianum seedlings, too, from reputable US dealers. Domestic-grown. Not realizing how slow they grow, I bought a couple of flasks recently. Will these, too, be OK to bring along with me when I go home? Again, thanks. |
Thanks to you three!
Again, I'll throw my two cents in, and remind you of the subject of
interpretation. If they are still in the flask, they are - by definition - sterile and artificially propagated, so neither phyto nor CITES issues should apply. Ex-flask, and if the governing bodies interpret your travels as "trade", you may not take them, as they are an Appendix I genus. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info! "Jose" wrote in message ... Hello. I was gone for awhile. I'm pleasantly surprised that there have been replies to my inquiry. Very enlightening. So, please accept my thanks to you - Ray. Kenni and Weng. And, Ray, should I encounter any trouble getting Philippine import permit for my plants, I'll willingly part ways with one of them and send it to you. Regards, Jose PS I have a BUNCH of Paphiopedilum sanderianum seedlings, too, from reputable US dealers. Domestic-grown. Not realizing how slow they grow, I bought a couple of flasks recently. Will these, too, be OK to bring along with me when I go home? Again, thanks. |
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