for the bugs only
I grow in coconut chunks and this worked very well for me

http://www.ortho.com/index.cfm/event...umentId/72c90b
b34e83ab40af12b25b1d77e798

Oh, we remember your electric wench, Al! G

Diana

"Al" wrote in message
...
dam, your good. ;-) Ask me about my electric wench some time. You
don't get a.b.p.o do you?

However, it's definitely a loop I was speaking of. I made it myself with
some clear cellophane stretched over one end of an old bubble blowing wand
left over from one of my recent childhoods. I couldn't find the loupe
that I was required to buy for my pest management class so I had to
improvise.

This reminds me of my favorite exchange from one of Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe
novels. In it Wolfe had maneuvered one of his suspects into the red chair
and was making him nuts with his erudite pedantic style of interrogatory
interlocution until the man simply could not take it any more. He said,
"I came here to find out what you've done with my wife, not to have my
grammar corrected!" To which Wolfe dryly replied, "I'm not correcting
your grammar. I'm correcting your diction."

....I guess you had to be there.

Anyway, you may correct either of mine any time you like and I'll try to
be more careful. It's just reassuring to know somebody actually reads
this cwap 'o mine that closely, sense most of it is so obliviously devoid
of common cents.

Al
Most probably lost in one of his many childhoods ...or is he trying to
avoid a mountain of repotting chores?


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Al wrote:


As you know they are tiny. Without a loop, ....

That should be a "loupe." 10X would be best.

Obligatory songs: "Here We go Loop-de-Loop." "Little Latin Lupe Lu."

J. Del Col

Al wrote:

This reminds me of my favorite exchange from one of Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe
novels. In it Wolfe had maneuvered one of his suspects into the red chair
and was making him nuts with his erudite pedantic style of interrogatory
interlocution until the man simply could not take it any more. He said, "I
came here to find out what you've done with my wife, not to have my grammar
corrected!" To which Wolfe dryly replied, "I'm not correcting your grammar.
I'm correcting your diction."

Good old Nero, a model of correctness.

J. Del Col

Ok, So can you correct my culture so half my flaskling stop dying, or
are you suggesting that I take up reading Nero Wolfe (a very good
author) to ease my anxiety
over their death, other than that correct my diction all you want, as I
find debate about the realities of a living language an interesting
debate, even though I personally despise the whole english language

Jack

wrote:
Al wrote:

This reminds me of my favorite exchange from one of Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe
novels. In it Wolfe had maneuvered one of his suspects into the red chair
and was making him nuts with his erudite pedantic style of interrogatory
interlocution until the man simply could not take it any more. He said, "I
came here to find out what you've done with my wife, not to have my grammar
corrected!" To which Wolfe dryly replied, "I'm not correcting your grammar.
I'm correcting your diction."

Good old Nero, a model of correctness.

J. Del Col

Jack wrote:
Ok, So can you correct my culture so half my flaskling stop dying, or
are you suggesting that I take up reading Nero Wolfe (a very good
author) to ease my anxiety
over their death, other than that correct my diction all you want, as I
find debate about the realities of a living language an interesting
debate, even though I personally despise the whole english language


The Nero Wolfe stories are some of my favorite mysteries, one of the
reasons I fell into orchid addiction, as a matter of fact.

J. Del Col

Jack: Other than seconding the notion of skipping the Neem Oil, I don't
think I can help you on the flasklings unless you find a good source for
actual flasks. I suspect that a lot of the damage is being done before you
get the little monsters (notwithstanding the best of care, packing and
intentions on the part of the grower shipping them to you).

So, you like Nero Wolfe G? Kenni

"Jack" wrote in message
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Ok, So can you correct my culture so half my flaskling stop dying, or
are you suggesting that I take up reading Nero Wolfe (a very good
author) to ease my anxiety
over their death, other than that correct my diction all you want, as I
find debate about the realities of a living language an interesting
debate, even though I personally despise the whole english language

Jack

wrote:
Al wrote:

This reminds me of my favorite exchange from one of Rex Stout's Nero
Wolfe
novels. In it Wolfe had maneuvered one of his suspects into the red
chair
and was making him nuts with his erudite pedantic style of
interrogatory
interlocution until the man simply could not take it any more. He
said, "I
came here to find out what you've done with my wife, not to have my
grammar
corrected!" To which Wolfe dryly replied, "I'm not correcting your
grammar.
I'm correcting your diction."

Good old Nero, a model of correctness.

J. Del Col

Doesn't everyone love Nero Wolfe? Quel characteur!

Diana

"Kenni Judd" wrote in message
...
Jack: Other than seconding the notion of skipping the Neem Oil, I don't
think I can help you on the flasklings unless you find a good source for
actual flasks. I suspect that a lot of the damage is being done before
you get the little monsters (notwithstanding the best of care, packing and
intentions on the part of the grower shipping them to you).

So, you like Nero Wolfe G? Kenni

"Jack" wrote in message
oups.com...
Ok, So can you correct my culture so half my flaskling stop dying, or
are you suggesting that I take up reading Nero Wolfe (a very good
author) to ease my anxiety
over their death, other than that correct my diction all you want, as I
find debate about the realities of a living language an interesting
debate, even though I personally despise the whole english language

Jack

wrote:
Al wrote:

This reminds me of my favorite exchange from one of Rex Stout's Nero
Wolfe
novels. In it Wolfe had maneuvered one of his suspects into the red
chair
and was making him nuts with his erudite pedantic style of
interrogatory
interlocution until the man simply could not take it any more. He
said, "I
came here to find out what you've done with my wife, not to have my
grammar
corrected!" To which Wolfe dryly replied, "I'm not correcting your
grammar.
I'm correcting your diction."

Good old Nero, a model of correctness.

J. Del Col

yep right up th the part where I have to walk over to where I threw the
book because I was ****ed that he spent 2 pages being so obtuse, some
time I like getting to the point, other time I enjoy seeing how it is
avoided. Well off to douse the babies.

BTW I remember someone saying awhile ago that the trick to being an
expert orchid grower was killing off the ones you can't grow fast so
you throw them away, and hiding the hanger-oners in the back where no
one will notice.

Jack

Considerable truth to that G. Next step is remembering (and exercising
the self-restraint) to quit buying the ones you find out you can't grow
VBG Kenni

"Jack" wrote in message
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SNIP
BTW I remember someone saying awhile ago that the trick to being an
expert orchid grower was killing off the ones you can't grow fast so
you throw them away, and hiding the hanger-oners in the back where no
one will notice.

Jack

Kenni Judd wrote:

Considerable truth to that G. Next step is remembering (and exercising
the self-restraint) to quit buying the ones you find out you can't grow
VBG Kenni
................
............


Few of us ever reach that level. ;-)

Yeah but so cute and / or pretty, this time it will be different, I
promise G

Kenni Judd wrote:
and exercising
the self-restraint to quit buying the ones you find out you can't grow

OK When it comes to deflasking everyones a bit different. I prefer to
use an inverted plastic pot with a sheet of plastic over the holes so
I can adjust the air inside in very small increments, seems to work
faster for me in my setup.
I have used the baggie method as well with very good results.
Some plants need to stay in the baggies for more than a month, some
only need three or four days. Don't just open the bagg more and more
evey day. You have to watch closely and adjust the opening on an as
needed basis for each compot,(sometimes within a 12 hour span) you
want the inside of your baggie to come close to 100% in the begginning
without making moisture on the bag walls, if it does, wipe off
imediantly and open the top just a touch more. The broader and larger
the leaf the less time it takes to become hardy in the new enviroment.
First off I would raise my humidity outside the baggie. At least a
constant 75+% It shouldn't drop below about 70% That way as you open
the baggie more and more it doesn't drop the humidity to low and cause
the leaf drop off. I would cut the neem oil spraying when they are
that young, or make it very very week solution. Same goes for the
supertrive and ironite, if you use it at all make it very very week. I
have deflasked many many seedlings and not put a bit of fert in the
moss for several weeks while they get used to the new home.I soak my
moss in a week solution of physon then rinse well before using. Witch
brings us to a question, What are you compoting in? I have found that
a very tall yet small pot with moss packed loosly and stopping about
1/2 inch from the top of the pot gives the plant a bit more moisture
because the lip of the pot is higher than the plant. If the pot is
deep then the roots can find there prefered spot, higher or lower in
the moisture.
The biggest thing is ROOTS If your getting plants allready deflasked
they may not have the roots needed to sustain after deflasking. I
order from all over the world and have found that alot of the time
plants are sent to early. I have a flask of Dens from Ausralia that I
ordered two years ago, they made up my order of a lot of flasks
(mostly Stanhopeas) in 6 months and sent them to me, then over the
next 12 months I deflasked them as the roots were strong enough to
suport the plants. This last one has been sitting on the shelf for 18
months now and is just about ready to come out.
As for your lighting, what are you deflasking? I am allmost
exclusively Stans so my compots are in the shade with just dappled
light coming thru leaves of mature plants. My Dens and Onc and Bulbos
get bright light (about three or four feet under a 400 watt MH that is
tilted slightly away from the shelf). Also I never let my seedling
moss get dry. I mist the moss every morning trying not to wet the
leaves but allways keeping the moss moist. If useing the baggie method
then you don't have to mist the moss every day cause it will stay very
moist in the bag for several days.
If you have problems with molding then I would try more air flow, but
while they are young its got to be moist air flow. I run a negitive
pressure room. The air is sucked out of the room allways(the air is
completly replaced every 10 mins. (yeh it uses more RO water in the
atomizers but it does wonders for keeping bugs and mold down) and the
incoming air is filled with moisture by atomizers at the entry points.
In a 10' x 15' room I have 4 ocilating fans running all at different
heights and in different areas and still there are rather large
microclimates in the space. The newest compots go in the moister
areas.

WOW, I just read my post. What a wind bag!
Sorry for the grammer and spelling but it's late and I aint correctin
it now. NOOK


On 8 Aug 2006 17:59:30 -0700, "Jack" wrote:

I will have to try adding soap.

The flasklings I take them out, they are shipped in twirl packs already
taken out of the flask, but are not washed, I seperate them and place
them in the compots that are already soaked with superthrive, 1/4
strength fert, and ironite transplant. I place them in 1/2 gal baggies
and spray them with neem oil. I open the baggies up more each day for a
week then put them in my grow rack on the next to top shelf with full
shading and a grow light, 2 40w flourencents. I water them when they
get dry and try to keep the medium universially moist, alittle dry
between each watering, about every 2 days. temp 75F, humidity 65% -
75% with a fan running on the shelf below them which keeps the air
moving. I don't think that I am over handling them. but some times I
think that I am letting them get too dry, but if I let them stay wet I
have problems with mold.


I Know that this a subject that has been covered before, but i think
that I am doing it right and still have greater than 50% fatality rate.

Jack

With respect to fungus gnats- I bought three sundews- Drosera
adelae, to be precise- from California Carnivores. They grow well
side-by-side in some orchidaria that I use for a select number of plants.
Moreover- they control the fungus gnats very effectively indeed.

The address in this header is bogus. Send no email there.

Cheers,

-AJHicks
Chandler, AZ

On 16 Aug 2006 22:33:47 GMT, Aaron Hicks wrote:

With respect to fungus gnats- I bought three sundews- Drosera
adelae, to be precise- from California Carnivores. They grow well
side-by-side in some orchidaria that I use for a select number of plants.
Moreover- they control the fungus gnats very effectively indeed.

We bought a venus flytrap from them and sundews popped up as a bonus.


Bob

AJH -

I've always held your opinions in high regard, but isn't that treating the
symptoms and not the cause?

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info!


"Aaron Hicks" wrote in message
...

With respect to fungus gnats- I bought three sundews- Drosera
adelae, to be precise- from California Carnivores. They grow well
side-by-side in some orchidaria that I use for a select number of plants.
Moreover- they control the fungus gnats very effectively indeed.

The address in this header is bogus. Send no email there.

Cheers,

-AJHicks
Chandler, AZ