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John wrote several months ago, about "Orchids" magazine's circulation:

This information appears in minute print in each December issue of
Orchid.
Average total distribution per issue during preceding 12 months
(including
free copies) of Orchid:
2004 = 24312
2005 = 22574
So in one year the distribution has fallen by 1738 (about 7%) and this is
before the increase in price.
Cheers
John


anyone gotten their new one yet and willing to post the stats? thanks
in advance.

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It's printed in AWFULLY small font size, but I think it says 20863

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John wrote several months ago, about "Orchids" magazine's circulation:

This information appears in minute print in each December issue of
Orchid.
Average total distribution per issue during preceding 12 months
(including
free copies) of Orchid:
2004 = 24312
2005 = 22574
So in one year the distribution has fallen by 1738 (about 7%) and this is
before the increase in price.
Cheers
John


anyone gotten their new one yet and willing to post the stats? thanks
in advance.

--j_a



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I wonder how many of those are judges who have to be members in order to
judge... 1500? Or so? So subtract them and you see how small the AOS
actually is.

K Barrett

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It's printed in AWFULLY small font size, but I think it says 20863

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"unknown" wrote in message
...
John wrote several months ago, about "Orchids" magazine's circulation:

This information appears in minute print in each December issue of
Orchid.
Average total distribution per issue during preceding 12 months
(including
free copies) of Orchid:
2004 = 24312
2005 = 22574
So in one year the distribution has fallen by 1738 (about 7%) and this is
before the increase in price.
Cheers
John


anyone gotten their new one yet and willing to post the stats? thanks
in advance.

--j_a





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Ray, where did you *find* that number? I'm looking on pg. 878 where you'd
think it would be, but can't find it.

Diana

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It's printed in AWFULLY small font size, but I think it says 20863

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Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"unknown" wrote in message
...
John wrote several months ago, about "Orchids" magazine's circulation:

This information appears in minute print in each December issue of
Orchid.
Average total distribution per issue during preceding 12 months
(including
free copies) of Orchid:
2004 = 24312
2005 = 22574
So in one year the distribution has fallen by 1738 (about 7%) and this is
before the increase in price.
Cheers
John


anyone gotten their new one yet and willing to post the stats? thanks
in advance.

--j_a





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It's printed in AWFULLY small font size, but I think it says 20863



verrry interesting. so much for the increase in dues.

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It's on page 942. And that's the yearly average, the latest month is
actually much lower (18544).
-danny

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
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Ray, where did you *find* that number? I'm looking on pg. 878 where you'd
think it would be, but can't find it.

Diana

"Ray B" wrote in message
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It's printed in AWFULLY small font size, but I think it says 20863

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Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"unknown" wrote in message
...
John wrote several months ago, about "Orchids" magazine's circulation:

This information appears in minute print in each December issue of
Orchid.
Average total distribution per issue during preceding 12 months
(including
free copies) of Orchid:
2004 = 24312
2005 = 22574
So in one year the distribution has fallen by 1738 (about 7%) and this
is
before the increase in price.
Cheers
John


anyone gotten their new one yet and willing to post the stats? thanks
in advance.

--j_a







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Never mind, I found it. Pg. 942, for anyone else who wants to look.

Taking this a step further, the figure of 20,863 is the *average* net press
run for the past 12 months. The net press run for the *month closest* to the
reporting date is 19,072. That would indicate a dramatic reduction over the
past year.

Next, look at the copies listed as paid subscriptions or *requested*. Those
numbers are 17,531 average vs. 15,899 latest month. The balance of the
printing run would then go to individual sales in one form or another, or
complimentary copies. I guess I could go look at last year's December issue
to compare the numbers, but quite honestly it hurt my eyes to do this much!

Seems to me that raising the dues has had a substantial impact.

Diana

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Ray, where did you *find* that number? I'm looking on pg. 878 where you'd
think it would be, but can't find it.

Diana

"Ray B" wrote in message
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It's printed in AWFULLY small font size, but I think it says 20863

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Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"unknown" wrote in message
...
John wrote several months ago, about "Orchids" magazine's circulation:

This information appears in minute print in each December issue of
Orchid.
Average total distribution per issue during preceding 12 months
(including
free copies) of Orchid:
2004 = 24312
2005 = 22574
So in one year the distribution has fallen by 1738 (about 7%) and this
is
before the increase in price.
Cheers
John


anyone gotten their new one yet and willing to post the stats? thanks
in advance.

--j_a







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Guess we were typing at the same time, Danny! G

Diana

"danny" wrote in message
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It's on page 942. And that's the yearly average, the latest month is
actually much lower (18544).
-danny

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
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Ray, where did you *find* that number? I'm looking on pg. 878 where you'd
think it would be, but can't find it.

Diana

"Ray B" wrote in message
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It's printed in AWFULLY small font size, but I think it says 20863

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Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"unknown" wrote in message
...
John wrote several months ago, about "Orchids" magazine's circulation:

This information appears in minute print in each December issue of
Orchid.
Average total distribution per issue during preceding 12 months
(including
free copies) of Orchid:
2004 = 24312
2005 = 22574
So in one year the distribution has fallen by 1738 (about 7%) and this
is
before the increase in price.
Cheers
John


anyone gotten their new one yet and willing to post the stats? thanks
in advance.

--j_a








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at least some of you have received your December issue.


"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
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Never mind, I found it. Pg. 942, for anyone else who wants to look.

Taking this a step further, the figure of 20,863 is the *average* net
press run for the past 12 months. The net press run for the *month
closest* to the reporting date is 19,072. That would indicate a dramatic
reduction over the past year.

Next, look at the copies listed as paid subscriptions or *requested*.
Those numbers are 17,531 average vs. 15,899 latest month. The balance of
the printing run would then go to individual sales in one form or another,
or complimentary copies. I guess I could go look at last year's December
issue to compare the numbers, but quite honestly it hurt my eyes to do
this much!

Seems to me that raising the dues has had a substantial impact.

Diana

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Ray, where did you *find* that number? I'm looking on pg. 878 where you'd
think it would be, but can't find it.

Diana

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:vArch.275$bW2.147@trndny04...
It's printed in AWFULLY small font size, but I think it says 20863

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"unknown" wrote in message
...
John wrote several months ago, about "Orchids" magazine's circulation:

This information appears in minute print in each December issue of
Orchid.
Average total distribution per issue during preceding 12 months
(including
free copies) of Orchid:
2004 = 24312
2005 = 22574
So in one year the distribution has fallen by 1738 (about 7%) and this
is
before the increase in price.
Cheers
John


anyone gotten their new one yet and willing to post the stats? thanks
in advance.

--j_a








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If you go to the Pacific Central web page (http://www.aospacificcentral.org)
and look at the plant index page you can see what the increase in award fees
did at the Pac Central in terms of number of awards. In 2002 and 2003 we
gave out a greater # of awards, and since the fee increase the # of plants
shown and # of awards has dropped significantly, IMHO. Just look at how
long the column inches are for those 2 years as compared to more recent
years.

Maybe the AOS doesn't care.

K Barrett

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Never mind, I found it. Pg. 942, for anyone else who wants to look.

Taking this a step further, the figure of 20,863 is the *average* net
press run for the past 12 months. The net press run for the *month
closest* to the reporting date is 19,072. That would indicate a dramatic
reduction over the past year.

Next, look at the copies listed as paid subscriptions or *requested*.
Those numbers are 17,531 average vs. 15,899 latest month. The balance of
the printing run would then go to individual sales in one form or another,
or complimentary copies. I guess I could go look at last year's December
issue to compare the numbers, but quite honestly it hurt my eyes to do
this much!

Seems to me that raising the dues has had a substantial impact.

Diana

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Ray, where did you *find* that number? I'm looking on pg. 878 where you'd
think it would be, but can't find it.

Diana

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:vArch.275$bW2.147@trndny04...
It's printed in AWFULLY small font size, but I think it says 20863

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"unknown" wrote in message
...
John wrote several months ago, about "Orchids" magazine's circulation:

This information appears in minute print in each December issue of
Orchid.
Average total distribution per issue during preceding 12 months
(including
free copies) of Orchid:
2004 = 24312
2005 = 22574
So in one year the distribution has fallen by 1738 (about 7%) and this
is
before the increase in price.
Cheers
John


anyone gotten their new one yet and willing to post the stats? thanks
in advance.

--j_a










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Since it has become clear over the past ten years that those in charge
of the AOS have no clue, I only want to say I do appreciate how hard it
is to take an older organization which has grownstewadily over decades
and reverse the trend into one of rapid ddecline - and still insist
nothing is amiss!

Ok, I'll also admit to a little optimism - that, just shy of winking out
of existence, the organization's 'masters', or those who think
themselves such will either get a clue or be replaced and new life may
come into the org. But truthfully, I doubt it.
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Do you know for sure that it's a direct cause-and-effect relationship, or
are there other factors that could have affected the numbers?

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"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
If you go to the Pacific Central web page
(http://www.aospacificcentral.org) and look at the plant index page you
can see what the increase in award fees did at the Pac Central in terms of
number of awards. In 2002 and 2003 we gave out a greater # of awards, and
since the fee increase the # of plants shown and # of awards has dropped
significantly, IMHO. Just look at how long the column inches are for
those 2 years as compared to more recent years.

Maybe the AOS doesn't care.

K Barrett

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Never mind, I found it. Pg. 942, for anyone else who wants to look.

Taking this a step further, the figure of 20,863 is the *average* net
press run for the past 12 months. The net press run for the *month
closest* to the reporting date is 19,072. That would indicate a dramatic
reduction over the past year.

Next, look at the copies listed as paid subscriptions or *requested*.
Those numbers are 17,531 average vs. 15,899 latest month. The balance of
the printing run would then go to individual sales in one form or
another, or complimentary copies. I guess I could go look at last year's
December issue to compare the numbers, but quite honestly it hurt my eyes
to do this much!

Seems to me that raising the dues has had a substantial impact.

Diana

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Ray, where did you *find* that number? I'm looking on pg. 878 where
you'd think it would be, but can't find it.

Diana

"Ray B" wrote in message
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It's printed in AWFULLY small font size, but I think it says 20863

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"unknown" wrote in message
...
John wrote several months ago, about "Orchids" magazine's circulation:

This information appears in minute print in each December issue of
Orchid.
Average total distribution per issue during preceding 12 months
(including
free copies) of Orchid:
2004 = 24312
2005 = 22574
So in one year the distribution has fallen by 1738 (about 7%) and this
is
before the increase in price.
Cheers
John


anyone gotten their new one yet and willing to post the stats? thanks
in advance.

--j_a










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Oh, yeah! Call me on the carpet and make me use my memory! Ha! What a
thankless job that is! I recall that the AOS raised their fees and awards
dropped off. Even the number of plants being shown dropped off. San
Francisco used to have 25-30 plants in for award judging each month. And
now there's maybe 10, 15? And the San Francisco club is filled with
fanatics. (just look at the pictures Eric posts to his Flickr page).
People bring in stuff to the show and tell tables, but not for AOS.
Oakland, sure, the club has declined a bit lately, but they never had any
great number of plants to be shown anyway. Usually 10 or so, and now they
are down to 5-7. The Pacific Orchid Exposition ( the big show in SF in Feb)
used to have 60 + plants for award consideration, not so many any more.

But even if there was another factor for the reduction, like club ennui, the
effect would be gradual, not so abrupt.

K Barrett


"Ray B" wrote in message
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Do you know for sure that it's a direct cause-and-effect relationship, or
are there other factors that could have affected the numbers?

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
If you go to the Pacific Central web page
(http://www.aospacificcentral.org) and look at the plant index page you
can see what the increase in award fees did at the Pac Central in terms
of number of awards. In 2002 and 2003 we gave out a greater # of awards,
and since the fee increase the # of plants shown and # of awards has
dropped significantly, IMHO. Just look at how long the column inches are
for those 2 years as compared to more recent years.

Maybe the AOS doesn't care.

K Barrett

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Never mind, I found it. Pg. 942, for anyone else who wants to look.

Taking this a step further, the figure of 20,863 is the *average* net
press run for the past 12 months. The net press run for the *month
closest* to the reporting date is 19,072. That would indicate a dramatic
reduction over the past year.

Next, look at the copies listed as paid subscriptions or *requested*.
Those numbers are 17,531 average vs. 15,899 latest month. The balance of
the printing run would then go to individual sales in one form or
another, or complimentary copies. I guess I could go look at last
year's December issue to compare the numbers, but quite honestly it hurt
my eyes to do this much!

Seems to me that raising the dues has had a substantial impact.

Diana

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Ray, where did you *find* that number? I'm looking on pg. 878 where
you'd think it would be, but can't find it.

Diana

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:vArch.275$bW2.147@trndny04...
It's printed in AWFULLY small font size, but I think it says 20863

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"unknown" wrote in message
...
John wrote several months ago, about "Orchids" magazine's
circulation:

This information appears in minute print in each December issue of
Orchid.
Average total distribution per issue during preceding 12 months
(including
free copies) of Orchid:
2004 = 24312
2005 = 22574
So in one year the distribution has fallen by 1738 (about 7%) and
this is
before the increase in price.
Cheers
John


anyone gotten their new one yet and willing to post the stats?
thanks
in advance.

--j_a












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I'll hang on to a little bit of hope that the incoming administration will
do something to help the situation (they certainly can't screw it up much
worse.) There was some significant turnover of the officers with the last
election, although with all the shuffling of positions there weren't many
actual changes to the overall personnel on the board.
-danny

"tennis maynard" wrote in message
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Since it has become clear over the past ten years that those in charge of
the AOS have no clue, I only want to say I do appreciate how hard it is to
take an older organization which has grownstewadily over decades and
reverse the trend into one of rapid ddecline - and still insist nothing is
amiss!

Ok, I'll also admit to a little optimism - that, just shy of winking out
of existence, the organization's 'masters', or those who think themselves
such will either get a clue or be replaced and new life may come into the
org. But truthfully, I doubt it.



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If the numbers being shown in northern California are so low, why the heck
do ya'll need all those JC's?

Why is the number being considered at POE lower? Are people marking plants
"Not for Judging", are the displays smaller, or are the judges not picking
out as many as they used to?

-danny

"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
Oh, yeah! Call me on the carpet and make me use my memory! Ha! What a
thankless job that is! I recall that the AOS raised their fees and awards
dropped off. Even the number of plants being shown dropped off. San
Francisco used to have 25-30 plants in for award judging each month. And
now there's maybe 10, 15? And the San Francisco club is filled with
fanatics. (just look at the pictures Eric posts to his Flickr page).
People bring in stuff to the show and tell tables, but not for AOS.
Oakland, sure, the club has declined a bit lately, but they never had any
great number of plants to be shown anyway. Usually 10 or so, and now they
are down to 5-7. The Pacific Orchid Exposition ( the big show in SF in
Feb) used to have 60 + plants for award consideration, not so many any
more.

But even if there was another factor for the reduction, like club ennui,
the effect would be gradual, not so abrupt.

K Barrett



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