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Hi all,
We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia.
Where do we get it registered and named?
Pls go to
http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com
to see the species.

Regards,
Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana


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One does not register new species.

One has to describe it and have the description published, typically by
individuals having recognized taxonomic authority, and they and you can come
up with the name. Your web page seems to imply that it needs to be a
national authority, but I do not believe that is the case.

--

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Hi all,
We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia.
Where do we get it registered and named?
Pls go to
http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com
to see the species.

Regards,
Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana



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Hi Donald

Ray is correct. No National Authority registers species names whether they
be orchid or anything else.

You need to contact a recognised taxonomist who will do the appropriate
research based on the plant material you send him/her to determine whether
the plant is really new. There are many recognised specialists e.g. Kew
Gardens, Guido Braem, Selby Gardens etc.

If the plant is new to science they will publish the name (agreed to by you
and the taxonomist) in a journal somewhere. Once it is published the
published name has priority over any other name published later and is
recognised by the community as a whole (in most cases).

The Malaysian Government (or any other Government for that matter) has
nothing to do with the process.

The only problem you may have ( and I am still not sure how this is
resolved) is getting around the CITES regulations for getting plant material
out of Malaysia. As the plant is "unnamed" what do you put on the export
papers?

More knowledgeable people on this site may be able to help.

Cheers

John




"Ray B" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
One does not register new species.

One has to describe it and have the description published, typically by
individuals having recognized taxonomic authority, and they and you can
come up with the name. Your web page seems to imply that it needs to be a
national authority, but I do not believe that is the case.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all,
We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia.
Where do we get it registered and named?
Pls go to
http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com
to see the species.

Regards,
Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana





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Default Where to register new species found in Malaysia?

Hi Ray, Hi John,

Many thanks for your response.
Yes we understand this situation but we do not have any known
taxonomist that specialised in Species thus the actual problem. In
Thailand we know of a few but here, in Peninsular Malaysia, I just
can't find any (not officially anyway) The problem like CITES? Ha! Ha!
Chicken or the Egg question again.
Have been involved with orchids species since the 70s and can you
imagine that I am still looking for a Taxo. ever since and without
crossing to another country? Singapore?

Thanks and cheers,

Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana

John Varigos wrote:
Hi Donald

Ray is correct. No National Authority registers species names whether they
be orchid or anything else.

You need to contact a recognised taxonomist who will do the appropriate
research based on the plant material you send him/her to determine whether
the plant is really new. There are many recognised specialists e.g. Kew
Gardens, Guido Braem, Selby Gardens etc.

If the plant is new to science they will publish the name (agreed to by you
and the taxonomist) in a journal somewhere. Once it is published the
published name has priority over any other name published later and is
recognised by the community as a whole (in most cases).

The Malaysian Government (or any other Government for that matter) has
nothing to do with the process.

The only problem you may have ( and I am still not sure how this is
resolved) is getting around the CITES regulations for getting plant material
out of Malaysia. As the plant is "unnamed" what do you put on the export
papers?

More knowledgeable people on this site may be able to help.

Cheers

John




"Ray B" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
One does not register new species.

One has to describe it and have the description published, typically by
individuals having recognized taxonomic authority, and they and you can
come up with the name. Your web page seems to imply that it needs to be a
national authority, but I do not believe that is the case.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all,
We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia.
Where do we get it registered and named?
Pls go to
http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com
to see the species.

Regards,
Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana




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Donald,

I know Eric Christenson works remotely in situations just like you're
describing. He has local folks like yourself take detailed photos and
detailed measurements of the various taxonomically important morphological
features and then Eric co-authors the description and has it published.

I have forwarded your info to him - he's a great resource and a wonderful,
giving person of his knowledge.

-Eric in SF
www.orchidphotos.org

wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi Ray, Hi John,

Many thanks for your response.
Yes we understand this situation but we do not have any known
taxonomist that specialised in Species thus the actual problem. In
Thailand we know of a few but here, in Peninsular Malaysia, I just
can't find any (not officially anyway) The problem like CITES? Ha! Ha!
Chicken or the Egg question again.
Have been involved with orchids species since the 70s and can you
imagine that I am still looking for a Taxo. ever since and without
crossing to another country? Singapore?

Thanks and cheers,

Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana

John Varigos wrote:
Hi Donald

Ray is correct. No National Authority registers species names whether
they
be orchid or anything else.

You need to contact a recognised taxonomist who will do the appropriate
research based on the plant material you send him/her to determine
whether
the plant is really new. There are many recognised specialists e.g. Kew
Gardens, Guido Braem, Selby Gardens etc.

If the plant is new to science they will publish the name (agreed to by
you
and the taxonomist) in a journal somewhere. Once it is published the
published name has priority over any other name published later and is
recognised by the community as a whole (in most cases).

The Malaysian Government (or any other Government for that matter) has
nothing to do with the process.

The only problem you may have ( and I am still not sure how this is
resolved) is getting around the CITES regulations for getting plant
material
out of Malaysia. As the plant is "unnamed" what do you put on the export
papers?

More knowledgeable people on this site may be able to help.

Cheers

John




"Ray B" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
One does not register new species.

One has to describe it and have the description published, typically by
individuals having recognized taxonomic authority, and they and you can
come up with the name. Your web page seems to imply that it needs to
be a
national authority, but I do not believe that is the case.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all,
We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia.
Where do we get it registered and named?
Pls go to
http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com
to see the species.

Regards,
Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana








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Isn't Michael Ooi in Malaysia? Yes in Penang. He should be able to plug
you into local taxonomists.

K Barrett

wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi Ray, Hi John,

Many thanks for your response.
Yes we understand this situation but we do not have any known
taxonomist that specialised in Species thus the actual problem. In
Thailand we know of a few but here, in Peninsular Malaysia, I just
can't find any (not officially anyway) The problem like CITES? Ha! Ha!
Chicken or the Egg question again.
Have been involved with orchids species since the 70s and can you
imagine that I am still looking for a Taxo. ever since and without
crossing to another country? Singapore?

Thanks and cheers,

Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana

John Varigos wrote:
Hi Donald

Ray is correct. No National Authority registers species names whether
they
be orchid or anything else.

You need to contact a recognised taxonomist who will do the appropriate
research based on the plant material you send him/her to determine
whether
the plant is really new. There are many recognised specialists e.g. Kew
Gardens, Guido Braem, Selby Gardens etc.

If the plant is new to science they will publish the name (agreed to by
you
and the taxonomist) in a journal somewhere. Once it is published the
published name has priority over any other name published later and is
recognised by the community as a whole (in most cases).

The Malaysian Government (or any other Government for that matter) has
nothing to do with the process.

The only problem you may have ( and I am still not sure how this is
resolved) is getting around the CITES regulations for getting plant
material
out of Malaysia. As the plant is "unnamed" what do you put on the export
papers?

More knowledgeable people on this site may be able to help.

Cheers

John




"Ray B" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
One does not register new species.

One has to describe it and have the description published, typically by
individuals having recognized taxonomic authority, and they and you can
come up with the name. Your web page seems to imply that it needs to
be a
national authority, but I do not believe that is the case.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids -
www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all,
We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia.
Where do we get it registered and named?
Pls go to
http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com
to see the species.

Regards,
Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana






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More info:

Ooi Leng Sun Orchid Nursery and Laboratory
873 Sungai Dua, 13800 Butterworth
Penang, Malaysia
Phone: 604-644-8863 Fax: 604-356-5405

Michael is the resident guru of orchids.

K

"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
Isn't Michael Ooi in Malaysia? Yes in Penang. He should be able to plug
you into local taxonomists.

K Barrett

wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi Ray, Hi John,

Many thanks for your response.
Yes we understand this situation but we do not have any known
taxonomist that specialised in Species thus the actual problem. In
Thailand we know of a few but here, in Peninsular Malaysia, I just
can't find any (not officially anyway) The problem like CITES? Ha! Ha!
Chicken or the Egg question again.
Have been involved with orchids species since the 70s and can you
imagine that I am still looking for a Taxo. ever since and without
crossing to another country? Singapore?

Thanks and cheers,

Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana

John Varigos wrote:
Hi Donald

Ray is correct. No National Authority registers species names whether
they
be orchid or anything else.

You need to contact a recognised taxonomist who will do the appropriate
research based on the plant material you send him/her to determine
whether
the plant is really new. There are many recognised specialists e.g. Kew
Gardens, Guido Braem, Selby Gardens etc.

If the plant is new to science they will publish the name (agreed to by
you
and the taxonomist) in a journal somewhere. Once it is published the
published name has priority over any other name published later and is
recognised by the community as a whole (in most cases).

The Malaysian Government (or any other Government for that matter) has
nothing to do with the process.

The only problem you may have ( and I am still not sure how this is
resolved) is getting around the CITES regulations for getting plant
material
out of Malaysia. As the plant is "unnamed" what do you put on the
export
papers?

More knowledgeable people on this site may be able to help.

Cheers

John




"Ray B" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
One does not register new species.

One has to describe it and have the description published, typically
by
individuals having recognized taxonomic authority, and they and you
can
come up with the name. Your web page seems to imply that it needs to
be a
national authority, but I do not believe that is the case.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids -
www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all,
We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia.
Where do we get it registered and named?
Pls go to
http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com
to see the species.

Regards,
Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana








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Hi again Eric,

Many thanks for your help. Will wait for his reply.
Cheers and Regards

Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana

Eric Hunt wrote:
Donald,

I know Eric Christenson works remotely in situations just like you're
describing. He has local folks like yourself take detailed photos and
detailed measurements of the various taxonomically important morphological
features and then Eric co-authors the description and has it published.

I have forwarded your info to him - he's a great resource and a wonderful,
giving person of his knowledge.

-Eric in SF
www.orchidphotos.org

wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi Ray, Hi John,

Many thanks for your response.
Yes we understand this situation but we do not have any known
taxonomist that specialised in Species thus the actual problem. In
Thailand we know of a few but here, in Peninsular Malaysia, I just
can't find any (not officially anyway) The problem like CITES? Ha! Ha!
Chicken or the Egg question again.
Have been involved with orchids species since the 70s and can you
imagine that I am still looking for a Taxo. ever since and without
crossing to another country? Singapore?

Thanks and cheers,

Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana

John Varigos wrote:
Hi Donald

Ray is correct. No National Authority registers species names whether
they
be orchid or anything else.

You need to contact a recognised taxonomist who will do the appropriate
research based on the plant material you send him/her to determine
whether
the plant is really new. There are many recognised specialists e.g. Kew
Gardens, Guido Braem, Selby Gardens etc.

If the plant is new to science they will publish the name (agreed to by
you
and the taxonomist) in a journal somewhere. Once it is published the
published name has priority over any other name published later and is
recognised by the community as a whole (in most cases).

The Malaysian Government (or any other Government for that matter) has
nothing to do with the process.

The only problem you may have ( and I am still not sure how this is
resolved) is getting around the CITES regulations for getting plant
material
out of Malaysia. As the plant is "unnamed" what do you put on the export
papers?

More knowledgeable people on this site may be able to help.

Cheers

John




"Ray B" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
One does not register new species.

One has to describe it and have the description published, typically by
individuals having recognized taxonomic authority, and they and you can
come up with the name. Your web page seems to imply that it needs to
be a
national authority, but I do not believe that is the case.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all,
We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia.
Where do we get it registered and named?
Pls go to
http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com
to see the species.

Regards,
Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana





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Hello K Barret,

Yup, I know Michael Ooi personally. Yes he is in Sg Dua Penang.
I may check up on him to see if he knows of any Taxo. especially in USM
Penang. Maybe
Prof. Helen Nair could help but I have lost her contact number since
she moved up there after
the WOC in KL.

Thanks again for your help.

Cheers and Regards,

Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana
http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com

K Barrett wrote:
More info:

Ooi Leng Sun Orchid Nursery and Laboratory
873 Sungai Dua, 13800 Butterworth
Penang, Malaysia
Phone: 604-644-8863 Fax: 604-356-5405

Michael is the resident guru of orchids.

K

"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
Isn't Michael Ooi in Malaysia? Yes in Penang. He should be able to plug
you into local taxonomists.

K Barrett

wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi Ray, Hi John,

Many thanks for your response.
Yes we understand this situation but we do not have any known
taxonomist that specialised in Species thus the actual problem. In
Thailand we know of a few but here, in Peninsular Malaysia, I just
can't find any (not officially anyway) The problem like CITES? Ha! Ha!
Chicken or the Egg question again.
Have been involved with orchids species since the 70s and can you
imagine that I am still looking for a Taxo. ever since and without
crossing to another country? Singapore?

Thanks and cheers,

Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana

John Varigos wrote:
Hi Donald

Ray is correct. No National Authority registers species names whether
they
be orchid or anything else.

You need to contact a recognised taxonomist who will do the appropriate
research based on the plant material you send him/her to determine
whether
the plant is really new. There are many recognised specialists e.g. Kew
Gardens, Guido Braem, Selby Gardens etc.

If the plant is new to science they will publish the name (agreed to by
you
and the taxonomist) in a journal somewhere. Once it is published the
published name has priority over any other name published later and is
recognised by the community as a whole (in most cases).

The Malaysian Government (or any other Government for that matter) has
nothing to do with the process.

The only problem you may have ( and I am still not sure how this is
resolved) is getting around the CITES regulations for getting plant
material
out of Malaysia. As the plant is "unnamed" what do you put on the
export
papers?

More knowledgeable people on this site may be able to help.

Cheers

John




"Ray B" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
One does not register new species.

One has to describe it and have the description published, typically
by
individuals having recognized taxonomic authority, and they and you
can
come up with the name. Your web page seems to imply that it needs to
be a
national authority, but I do not believe that is the case.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids -
www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi all,
We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia.
Where do we get it registered and named?
Pls go to
http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com
to see the species.

Regards,
Donald G.H Tan
Orchidaceae Malaysiana









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