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Where to register new species found in Malaysia?
Hi all,
We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia. Where do we get it registered and named? Pls go to http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com to see the species. Regards, Donald G.H Tan Orchidaceae Malaysiana |
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Where to register new species found in Malaysia?
One does not register new species.
One has to describe it and have the description published, typically by individuals having recognized taxonomic authority, and they and you can come up with the name. Your web page seems to imply that it needs to be a national authority, but I do not believe that is the case. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia. Where do we get it registered and named? Pls go to http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com to see the species. Regards, Donald G.H Tan Orchidaceae Malaysiana |
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Where to register new species found in Malaysia?
Hi Donald
Ray is correct. No National Authority registers species names whether they be orchid or anything else. You need to contact a recognised taxonomist who will do the appropriate research based on the plant material you send him/her to determine whether the plant is really new. There are many recognised specialists e.g. Kew Gardens, Guido Braem, Selby Gardens etc. If the plant is new to science they will publish the name (agreed to by you and the taxonomist) in a journal somewhere. Once it is published the published name has priority over any other name published later and is recognised by the community as a whole (in most cases). The Malaysian Government (or any other Government for that matter) has nothing to do with the process. The only problem you may have ( and I am still not sure how this is resolved) is getting around the CITES regulations for getting plant material out of Malaysia. As the plant is "unnamed" what do you put on the export papers? More knowledgeable people on this site may be able to help. Cheers John "Ray B" wrote in message news:70xsh.4081$8P.1228@trndny05... One does not register new species. One has to describe it and have the description published, typically by individuals having recognized taxonomic authority, and they and you can come up with the name. Your web page seems to imply that it needs to be a national authority, but I do not believe that is the case. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia. Where do we get it registered and named? Pls go to http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com to see the species. Regards, Donald G.H Tan Orchidaceae Malaysiana |
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Where to register new species found in Malaysia?
Hi Ray, Hi John,
Many thanks for your response. Yes we understand this situation but we do not have any known taxonomist that specialised in Species thus the actual problem. In Thailand we know of a few but here, in Peninsular Malaysia, I just can't find any (not officially anyway) The problem like CITES? Ha! Ha! Chicken or the Egg question again. Have been involved with orchids species since the 70s and can you imagine that I am still looking for a Taxo. ever since and without crossing to another country? Singapore? Thanks and cheers, Donald G.H Tan Orchidaceae Malaysiana John Varigos wrote: Hi Donald Ray is correct. No National Authority registers species names whether they be orchid or anything else. You need to contact a recognised taxonomist who will do the appropriate research based on the plant material you send him/her to determine whether the plant is really new. There are many recognised specialists e.g. Kew Gardens, Guido Braem, Selby Gardens etc. If the plant is new to science they will publish the name (agreed to by you and the taxonomist) in a journal somewhere. Once it is published the published name has priority over any other name published later and is recognised by the community as a whole (in most cases). The Malaysian Government (or any other Government for that matter) has nothing to do with the process. The only problem you may have ( and I am still not sure how this is resolved) is getting around the CITES regulations for getting plant material out of Malaysia. As the plant is "unnamed" what do you put on the export papers? More knowledgeable people on this site may be able to help. Cheers John "Ray B" wrote in message news:70xsh.4081$8P.1228@trndny05... One does not register new species. One has to describe it and have the description published, typically by individuals having recognized taxonomic authority, and they and you can come up with the name. Your web page seems to imply that it needs to be a national authority, but I do not believe that is the case. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia. Where do we get it registered and named? Pls go to http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com to see the species. Regards, Donald G.H Tan Orchidaceae Malaysiana |
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Where to register new species found in Malaysia?
Donald,
I know Eric Christenson works remotely in situations just like you're describing. He has local folks like yourself take detailed photos and detailed measurements of the various taxonomically important morphological features and then Eric co-authors the description and has it published. I have forwarded your info to him - he's a great resource and a wonderful, giving person of his knowledge. -Eric in SF www.orchidphotos.org wrote in message oups.com... Hi Ray, Hi John, Many thanks for your response. Yes we understand this situation but we do not have any known taxonomist that specialised in Species thus the actual problem. In Thailand we know of a few but here, in Peninsular Malaysia, I just can't find any (not officially anyway) The problem like CITES? Ha! Ha! Chicken or the Egg question again. Have been involved with orchids species since the 70s and can you imagine that I am still looking for a Taxo. ever since and without crossing to another country? Singapore? Thanks and cheers, Donald G.H Tan Orchidaceae Malaysiana John Varigos wrote: Hi Donald Ray is correct. No National Authority registers species names whether they be orchid or anything else. You need to contact a recognised taxonomist who will do the appropriate research based on the plant material you send him/her to determine whether the plant is really new. There are many recognised specialists e.g. Kew Gardens, Guido Braem, Selby Gardens etc. If the plant is new to science they will publish the name (agreed to by you and the taxonomist) in a journal somewhere. Once it is published the published name has priority over any other name published later and is recognised by the community as a whole (in most cases). The Malaysian Government (or any other Government for that matter) has nothing to do with the process. The only problem you may have ( and I am still not sure how this is resolved) is getting around the CITES regulations for getting plant material out of Malaysia. As the plant is "unnamed" what do you put on the export papers? More knowledgeable people on this site may be able to help. Cheers John "Ray B" wrote in message news:70xsh.4081$8P.1228@trndny05... One does not register new species. One has to describe it and have the description published, typically by individuals having recognized taxonomic authority, and they and you can come up with the name. Your web page seems to imply that it needs to be a national authority, but I do not believe that is the case. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia. Where do we get it registered and named? Pls go to http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com to see the species. Regards, Donald G.H Tan Orchidaceae Malaysiana |
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Where to register new species found in Malaysia?
More info:
Ooi Leng Sun Orchid Nursery and Laboratory 873 Sungai Dua, 13800 Butterworth Penang, Malaysia Phone: 604-644-8863 Fax: 604-356-5405 Michael is the resident guru of orchids. K "K Barrett" wrote in message . .. Isn't Michael Ooi in Malaysia? Yes in Penang. He should be able to plug you into local taxonomists. K Barrett wrote in message oups.com... Hi Ray, Hi John, Many thanks for your response. Yes we understand this situation but we do not have any known taxonomist that specialised in Species thus the actual problem. In Thailand we know of a few but here, in Peninsular Malaysia, I just can't find any (not officially anyway) The problem like CITES? Ha! Ha! Chicken or the Egg question again. Have been involved with orchids species since the 70s and can you imagine that I am still looking for a Taxo. ever since and without crossing to another country? Singapore? Thanks and cheers, Donald G.H Tan Orchidaceae Malaysiana John Varigos wrote: Hi Donald Ray is correct. No National Authority registers species names whether they be orchid or anything else. You need to contact a recognised taxonomist who will do the appropriate research based on the plant material you send him/her to determine whether the plant is really new. There are many recognised specialists e.g. Kew Gardens, Guido Braem, Selby Gardens etc. If the plant is new to science they will publish the name (agreed to by you and the taxonomist) in a journal somewhere. Once it is published the published name has priority over any other name published later and is recognised by the community as a whole (in most cases). The Malaysian Government (or any other Government for that matter) has nothing to do with the process. The only problem you may have ( and I am still not sure how this is resolved) is getting around the CITES regulations for getting plant material out of Malaysia. As the plant is "unnamed" what do you put on the export papers? More knowledgeable people on this site may be able to help. Cheers John "Ray B" wrote in message news:70xsh.4081$8P.1228@trndny05... One does not register new species. One has to describe it and have the description published, typically by individuals having recognized taxonomic authority, and they and you can come up with the name. Your web page seems to imply that it needs to be a national authority, but I do not believe that is the case. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia. Where do we get it registered and named? Pls go to http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com to see the species. Regards, Donald G.H Tan Orchidaceae Malaysiana |
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Where to register new species found in Malaysia?
Hi again Eric,
Many thanks for your help. Will wait for his reply. Cheers and Regards Donald G.H Tan Orchidaceae Malaysiana Eric Hunt wrote: Donald, I know Eric Christenson works remotely in situations just like you're describing. He has local folks like yourself take detailed photos and detailed measurements of the various taxonomically important morphological features and then Eric co-authors the description and has it published. I have forwarded your info to him - he's a great resource and a wonderful, giving person of his knowledge. -Eric in SF www.orchidphotos.org wrote in message oups.com... Hi Ray, Hi John, Many thanks for your response. Yes we understand this situation but we do not have any known taxonomist that specialised in Species thus the actual problem. In Thailand we know of a few but here, in Peninsular Malaysia, I just can't find any (not officially anyway) The problem like CITES? Ha! Ha! Chicken or the Egg question again. Have been involved with orchids species since the 70s and can you imagine that I am still looking for a Taxo. ever since and without crossing to another country? Singapore? Thanks and cheers, Donald G.H Tan Orchidaceae Malaysiana John Varigos wrote: Hi Donald Ray is correct. No National Authority registers species names whether they be orchid or anything else. You need to contact a recognised taxonomist who will do the appropriate research based on the plant material you send him/her to determine whether the plant is really new. There are many recognised specialists e.g. Kew Gardens, Guido Braem, Selby Gardens etc. If the plant is new to science they will publish the name (agreed to by you and the taxonomist) in a journal somewhere. Once it is published the published name has priority over any other name published later and is recognised by the community as a whole (in most cases). The Malaysian Government (or any other Government for that matter) has nothing to do with the process. The only problem you may have ( and I am still not sure how this is resolved) is getting around the CITES regulations for getting plant material out of Malaysia. As the plant is "unnamed" what do you put on the export papers? More knowledgeable people on this site may be able to help. Cheers John "Ray B" wrote in message news:70xsh.4081$8P.1228@trndny05... One does not register new species. One has to describe it and have the description published, typically by individuals having recognized taxonomic authority, and they and you can come up with the name. Your web page seems to imply that it needs to be a national authority, but I do not believe that is the case. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia. Where do we get it registered and named? Pls go to http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com to see the species. Regards, Donald G.H Tan Orchidaceae Malaysiana |
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Where to register new species found in Malaysia?
Hello K Barret,
Yup, I know Michael Ooi personally. Yes he is in Sg Dua Penang. I may check up on him to see if he knows of any Taxo. especially in USM Penang. Maybe Prof. Helen Nair could help but I have lost her contact number since she moved up there after the WOC in KL. Thanks again for your help. Cheers and Regards, Donald G.H Tan Orchidaceae Malaysiana http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com K Barrett wrote: More info: Ooi Leng Sun Orchid Nursery and Laboratory 873 Sungai Dua, 13800 Butterworth Penang, Malaysia Phone: 604-644-8863 Fax: 604-356-5405 Michael is the resident guru of orchids. K "K Barrett" wrote in message . .. Isn't Michael Ooi in Malaysia? Yes in Penang. He should be able to plug you into local taxonomists. K Barrett wrote in message oups.com... Hi Ray, Hi John, Many thanks for your response. Yes we understand this situation but we do not have any known taxonomist that specialised in Species thus the actual problem. In Thailand we know of a few but here, in Peninsular Malaysia, I just can't find any (not officially anyway) The problem like CITES? Ha! Ha! Chicken or the Egg question again. Have been involved with orchids species since the 70s and can you imagine that I am still looking for a Taxo. ever since and without crossing to another country? Singapore? Thanks and cheers, Donald G.H Tan Orchidaceae Malaysiana John Varigos wrote: Hi Donald Ray is correct. No National Authority registers species names whether they be orchid or anything else. You need to contact a recognised taxonomist who will do the appropriate research based on the plant material you send him/her to determine whether the plant is really new. There are many recognised specialists e.g. Kew Gardens, Guido Braem, Selby Gardens etc. If the plant is new to science they will publish the name (agreed to by you and the taxonomist) in a journal somewhere. Once it is published the published name has priority over any other name published later and is recognised by the community as a whole (in most cases). The Malaysian Government (or any other Government for that matter) has nothing to do with the process. The only problem you may have ( and I am still not sure how this is resolved) is getting around the CITES regulations for getting plant material out of Malaysia. As the plant is "unnamed" what do you put on the export papers? More knowledgeable people on this site may be able to help. Cheers John "Ray B" wrote in message news:70xsh.4081$8P.1228@trndny05... One does not register new species. One has to describe it and have the description published, typically by individuals having recognized taxonomic authority, and they and you can come up with the name. Your web page seems to imply that it needs to be a national authority, but I do not believe that is the case. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, We have some new finds on Cymbidiums and Bulbophyllums in Malaysia. Where do we get it registered and named? Pls go to http://orchidaceae-malaysiana.blogspot.com to see the species. Regards, Donald G.H Tan Orchidaceae Malaysiana |
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