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Old 08-08-2007, 10:06 PM posted to rec.gardens.orchids
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Default Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.

So, bottom line is do nothing for now. Okay with me.

Diana

"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
OrchidWiz keeps track of synonyms. I know the AOS Plus will too, but they
ain't out yet.

I have no affiliation with Orchid Wiz or AOS Plus.

K Barrett

"Al" wrote in message
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I am so tired, so very tired. I just can't keep up anymore. There is no
easy solution.

I would keep an eye on the official RHS database record to track changes.
They are the single authority and all other compilations are drawn from
the RHS data. Its a shame that searching a tag name in these databases
will just get more confusing than it already is.

For what it's worth, I would like to see some new fields in all these
databases that cross reference old names with new names. That would add
value to the product for sure. It is a certain bet that the RHS will not
do this; they will publish it once in the corrigenda and assume everybody
knows how to research. Just changing the names in the databases to
reflect current thinking without any cross reference to old names is
caca. We might as well just start making up our own hybrid grex names
like they already do in some orchid exporting countries...


"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at
OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted
it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't
orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on?

DK

OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes

We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names
in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS.
The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola;
Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to
Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and
Laelia.

The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect
throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The
transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of
popular hybrids affected:

Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya
Goldenzelle (click link to see)
Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd
Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not
Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat
Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop
Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai
Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani
Rainbow
Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory
Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang
Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman
Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye
The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid
databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into
Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in
the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new
registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards,
contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old
names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names.

If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving
the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding
all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships.

We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions,
comments or concerns, please contact .

Best wishes,

- The team at OrchidWiz








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Default Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.

Here's my question: Orchid Wiz keeps track of synonyms. That's good. It
most likely does this for species names, i.e. the Latin binomial of
naturally occurring plants....the ones that seem to change names every few
years as taxonomists fiddle. BUT does it keep track of the changes to
nothogenera; i.e. the names of artificial genera like Slc and Potinara?
.....that would be EXCELLENT. Changes to nothogenera used to be nonexistent
but it's like the taxonomists have suddenly gotten a hold of them....

if you look up Ctna Why not will the program tell you it is an obsolete
synonym of Guaritonia Why Not or will it just present you with the new name
and leave you to post a question on a newsgroup about how your plant does
not show up in the database and urgent help is needed....

For my own part, I don't think I can memorize a whole new list of
nothogenera and their natural genus combinations. "Just call it an orchid,
OKAY? And if you need more, call it Fred. and if you need to be specific,
call it O. Fred 'Red' and don't ask why... And BTW, don't water it every 7
days....water it when it needs it and don't ask how you can tell!!!!"

Golly it's hot.

"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
OrchidWiz keeps track of synonyms. I know the AOS Plus will too, but they
ain't out yet.

I have no affiliation with Orchid Wiz or AOS Plus.

K Barrett

"Al" wrote in message
news:f_lui.1980$Aj6.665@trnddc01...
I am so tired, so very tired. I just can't keep up anymore. There is no
easy solution.

I would keep an eye on the official RHS database record to track changes.
They are the single authority and all other compilations are drawn from
the RHS data. Its a shame that searching a tag name in these databases
will just get more confusing than it already is.

For what it's worth, I would like to see some new fields in all these
databases that cross reference old names with new names. That would add
value to the product for sure. It is a certain bet that the RHS will not
do this; they will publish it once in the corrigenda and assume everybody
knows how to research. Just changing the names in the databases to
reflect current thinking without any cross reference to old names is
caca. We might as well just start making up our own hybrid grex names
like they already do in some orchid exporting countries...


"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at
OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted
it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't
orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on?

DK

OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes

We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names
in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS.
The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola;
Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to
Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and
Laelia.

The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect
throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The
transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of
popular hybrids affected:

Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya
Goldenzelle (click link to see)
Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd
Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not
Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat
Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop
Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai
Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani
Rainbow
Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory
Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang
Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman
Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye
The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid
databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into
Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in
the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new
registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards,
contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old
names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names.

If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving
the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding
all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships.

We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions,
comments or concerns, please contact .

Best wishes,

- The team at OrchidWiz







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Default Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.

AFAIK, OW's next update (4.1) will keep track of the nothogenera changes.
That was the subject of Alex's last email, the one Diana cited at the start
of this thread. I have been given to understand that the AOS asked the RHS
not to proceed with these changes until the Far Lady had Sung at Miami's
WOC, but the RHS declined. Since they control the hybrid registration data
(ever since they took it over from the Sanders family) the RHS can do what
they want. You may want to ask the judges at Washington, danny may want to
ask the judges in Atlanta, SuE may want to ask the chair in Denver about
this in order to get their take on these changes. Our center will be
talking about these changes at our next meeting, but I don't know if that
means our next 'business meeting' (in November) or our next scheduled
judging (in Sept).

K Barrett


"Al" wrote in message
news:%ZEui.20053$ug3.2522@trnddc06...
Here's my question: Orchid Wiz keeps track of synonyms. That's good. It
most likely does this for species names, i.e. the Latin binomial of
naturally occurring plants....the ones that seem to change names every few
years as taxonomists fiddle. BUT does it keep track of the changes to
nothogenera; i.e. the names of artificial genera like Slc and Potinara?
....that would be EXCELLENT. Changes to nothogenera used to be
nonexistent but it's like the taxonomists have suddenly gotten a hold of
them....

if you look up Ctna Why not will the program tell you it is an obsolete
synonym of Guaritonia Why Not or will it just present you with the new
name and leave you to post a question on a newsgroup about how your plant
does not show up in the database and urgent help is needed....

For my own part, I don't think I can memorize a whole new list of
nothogenera and their natural genus combinations. "Just call it an
orchid, OKAY? And if you need more, call it Fred. and if you need to be
specific, call it O. Fred 'Red' and don't ask why... And BTW, don't water
it every 7 days....water it when it needs it and don't ask how you can
tell!!!!"

Golly it's hot.

"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
OrchidWiz keeps track of synonyms. I know the AOS Plus will too, but
they ain't out yet.

I have no affiliation with Orchid Wiz or AOS Plus.

K Barrett

"Al" wrote in message
news:f_lui.1980$Aj6.665@trnddc01...
I am so tired, so very tired. I just can't keep up anymore. There is no
easy solution.

I would keep an eye on the official RHS database record to track
changes. They are the single authority and all other compilations are
drawn from the RHS data. Its a shame that searching a tag name in these
databases will just get more confusing than it already is.

For what it's worth, I would like to see some new fields in all these
databases that cross reference old names with new names. That would add
value to the product for sure. It is a certain bet that the RHS will
not do this; they will publish it once in the corrigenda and assume
everybody knows how to research. Just changing the names in the
databases to reflect current thinking without any cross reference to old
names is caca. We might as well just start making up our own hybrid grex
names like they already do in some orchid exporting countries...


"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at
OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted
it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't
orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on?

DK

OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes

We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names
in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS.
The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola;
Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to
Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and
Laelia.

The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect
throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses.
The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some
examples of popular hybrids affected:

Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya
Goldenzelle (click link to see)
Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd
Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not
Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat
Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop
Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai
Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani
Rainbow
Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory
Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang
Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman
Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye
The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid
databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into
Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in
the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new
registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards,
contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old
names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names.

If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving
the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding
all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software
ships.

We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions,
comments or concerns, please contact .

Best wishes,

- The team at OrchidWiz









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On Aug 9, 9:51 am, "Al" wrote:


Golly it's hot.


yeah, how are all of y'all with greenhouses keeping from spontaneously
combusting in this?

--j_a

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Default Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.

I heard a while back that there is going to be a meeting at the WOC to
discuss orchid naming, and that major changes would be held off until then.
Obviously the changes are happening anyway. Asking the local judges may or
may not get you any useful information, I think there are just a few people
really knowledgeable about what's currently going on. If your center will
be discussing the changes maybe Ron will be visiting from AOS, he's in the
middle of the whole mess and knows more than most about what's going on.

The renaming of species is fairly common in the plant world, it probably
just doesn't affect as many of us amateur horticulturists when a moss or
tree changes names. There isn't any other group with horticultural names
like orchids. One future possibility would be to drop the nothogenera
entirely and just name the hybrids by breeding group, that would stop all
the name changing. Every hybrid in the Cattleya alliance would just be
called a Cattleya (or some other single name). Something that could happen
in a few years, or not. I'm not sure there's really much point in having
the nothogenera anyway. Even grex names are questionable if you make it
several times with different parental clones. Registration by parent clonal
names would be most accurate, anything else is a bit iffy once you get past
the primary hybrid stage.

In the RHS database you don't need to specify a genus (they changed that a
few years back), and probably shouldn't anymore. Just put in the grex name
and then look at what genera come back, and then you may have to click on a
few of the new ones to figure out which used to be a Cattleya :-)

-danny




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On Aug 9, 9:51 am, "Al" wrote:


Golly it's hot.


yeah, how are all of y'all with greenhouses keeping from spontaneously
combusting in this?

--j_a


You don't have a swamp cooler? (Did I ever show pics of my swamp cooler
encrusted in CaCO3? I rebuilt it over 4th of July during our 100F+ days?
Now *that* was a feat.)

K Barrett


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Ahhh. The list of name changes that accompanied that email blinded me to
everything else it said. Especially since I saw so many I own and would
need to
make a note of in my databases and on tags. I nearly blacked out, I'm
sure....I did get real dizzy.
Forgive me for not actually reading the message.

I think I will just wait and see.

In general, it will be decades before all the old tags all over the world
get sifted out of circulation.


"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
AFAIK, OW's next update (4.1) will keep track of the nothogenera changes.
That was the subject of Alex's last email, the one Diana cited at the
start of this thread. I have been given to understand that the AOS asked
the RHS not to proceed with these changes until the Far Lady had Sung at
Miami's WOC, but the RHS declined. Since they control the hybrid
registration data (ever since they took it over from the Sanders family)
the RHS can do what they want. You may want to ask the judges at
Washington, danny may want to ask the judges in Atlanta, SuE may want to
ask the chair in Denver about this in order to get their take on these
changes. Our center will be talking about these changes at our next
meeting, but I don't know if that means our next 'business meeting' (in
November) or our next scheduled judging (in Sept).

K Barrett


"Al" wrote in message
news:%ZEui.20053$ug3.2522@trnddc06...
Here's my question: Orchid Wiz keeps track of synonyms. That's good.
It most likely does this for species names, i.e. the Latin binomial of
naturally occurring plants....the ones that seem to change names every
few years as taxonomists fiddle. BUT does it keep track of the changes
to nothogenera; i.e. the names of artificial genera like Slc and
Potinara? ....that would be EXCELLENT. Changes to nothogenera used to be
nonexistent but it's like the taxonomists have suddenly gotten a hold of
them....

if you look up Ctna Why not will the program tell you it is an obsolete
synonym of Guaritonia Why Not or will it just present you with the new
name and leave you to post a question on a newsgroup about how your plant
does not show up in the database and urgent help is needed....

For my own part, I don't think I can memorize a whole new list of
nothogenera and their natural genus combinations. "Just call it an
orchid, OKAY? And if you need more, call it Fred. and if you need to be
specific, call it O. Fred 'Red' and don't ask why... And BTW, don't
water it every 7 days....water it when it needs it and don't ask how you
can tell!!!!"

Golly it's hot.

"K Barrett" wrote in message
. ..
OrchidWiz keeps track of synonyms. I know the AOS Plus will too, but
they ain't out yet.

I have no affiliation with Orchid Wiz or AOS Plus.

K Barrett

"Al" wrote in message
news:f_lui.1980$Aj6.665@trnddc01...
I am so tired, so very tired. I just can't keep up anymore. There is
no easy solution.

I would keep an eye on the official RHS database record to track
changes. They are the single authority and all other compilations are
drawn from the RHS data. Its a shame that searching a tag name in
these databases will just get more confusing than it already is.

For what it's worth, I would like to see some new fields in all these
databases that cross reference old names with new names. That would
add value to the product for sure. It is a certain bet that the RHS
will not do this; they will publish it once in the corrigenda and
assume everybody knows how to research. Just changing the names in the
databases to reflect current thinking without any cross reference to
old names is caca. We might as well just start making up our own hybrid
grex names like they already do in some orchid exporting countries...


"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at
OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I
converted it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing.
Aren't orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling
on?

DK

OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes

We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus
names in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by
the RHS. The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from
Brassavola; Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian
Laelias to Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into
Myrmecophila and Laelia.

The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect
throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses.
The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some
examples of popular hybrids affected:

Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya
Goldenzelle (click link to see)
Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd
Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not
Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat
Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop
Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai
Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani
Rainbow
Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory
Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang
Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman
Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye
The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published
orchid databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into
Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in
the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new
registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards,
contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old
names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names.

If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving
the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are
holding all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new
software ships.

We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions,
comments or concerns, please contact .

Best wishes,

- The team at OrchidWiz










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At the moment, I'm blithely ignoring it. 90% of my customers don't care
about the names anyway -- many immediately discard the nametags like the
price tags on clothing, I can tell because I find them littering the parking
lot. Of the other 10%, more than half still refer to digbyana as a
Brassavola and what used to be the Encyclias as Epidendrums, so I seriously
doubt they'll come looking for any Guari-whatevers. The remaining 3 or 4
percent will just have to do their own research if they want the latest
names. Kenni

yeah, how are all of y'all with greenhouses keeping from spontaneously
combusting in this?

--j_a



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Default Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.

Wondered when you'd chime in, Kenni! For me, and those like me who protect
tags as if they are gold, it feels a bit like an assault. But I think we
will mostly do as you are, at least for now.

Diana

"Kenni Judd" wrote in message
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At the moment, I'm blithely ignoring it. 90% of my customers don't care
about the names anyway -- many immediately discard the nametags like the
price tags on clothing, I can tell because I find them littering the
parking lot. Of the other 10%, more than half still refer to digbyana as
a Brassavola and what used to be the Encyclias as Epidendrums, so I
seriously doubt they'll come looking for any Guari-whatevers. The
remaining 3 or 4 percent will just have to do their own research if they
want the latest names. Kenni

yeah, how are all of y'all with greenhouses keeping from spontaneously
combusting in this?

--j_a





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I think Kenni and Danny are right. I think the RHS has been pushing to make
"Cattlya" a generic name for many years now and we hobbyists have freaked
that the hybrid registration pages would be lost. Rather like the AKC or
Horse breeders dropping their pedigree lines. (I think the orchid hybrid
registry goes back farther than breeding lines, but I may be wrong...) The
*increasing* advent of non-registered hybrids such as Den Emma White also
clouds the hybrid registry. True non registered hybrids were used in
hybridization programs in the past, but not at the rate the Thais and Taiwan
breeders crank them out today.

And Kenni is right that anyone who is interested will just have to do the
research themselves. The preponderance of hobbyists just can't be bothered,
what with the complexities of modern life. Hmmm..... pay your taxes, keep
the kids off drugs, watch the presidential debates and figure out if your
orchid is a guarthanthe whatever.... the orchid would fall pretty far off my
radar, just ahead of the presidential debates, LOL!

As for me I'm ignoring it. And lighting a candle for Alex Maxiamano (sp)
who has to pay attention.....

K Barrett

"Kenni Judd" wrote in message
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At the moment, I'm blithely ignoring it. 90% of my customers don't care
about the names anyway -- many immediately discard the nametags like the
price tags on clothing, I can tell because I find them littering the
parking lot. Of the other 10%, more than half still refer to digbyana as
a Brassavola and what used to be the Encyclias as Epidendrums, so I
seriously doubt they'll come looking for any Guari-whatevers. The
remaining 3 or 4 percent will just have to do their own research if they
want the latest names. Kenni

yeah, how are all of y'all with greenhouses keeping from spontaneously
combusting in this?

--j_a







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On Aug 9, 4:18 pm, "K Barrett" wrote:
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You don't have a swamp cooler? (Did I ever show pics of my swamp cooler
encrusted in CaCO3? I rebuilt it over 4th of July during our 100F+ days?
Now *that* was a feat.)

K Barrett



yes, i remember those scary pictures. !

i was just wondering if that was enough when the actual outside is 100
degrees.

(my useless little parasites are in the house with me, so they get the
benefit of the hellishly expensive Carrier unit. and a fan.)

--j_a

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You don't have a swamp cooler? (Did I ever show pics of my swamp cooler
encrusted in CaCO3? I rebuilt it over 4th of July during our 100F+ days?
Now *that* was a feat.)

K Barrett



yes, i remember those scary pictures. !

i was just wondering if that was enough when the actual outside is 100
degrees.

(my useless little parasites are in the house with me, so they get the
benefit of the hellishly expensive Carrier unit. and a fan.)

--j_a


Yes its enough, or has been in my experience. In our 100F days it keeps the
GH at a little higher than ideal temps, about 86-7 or so at the bench
height, warmer the higher you go towards the roof, cooler at the floor. I
think the roof temp is 90. I don't have a gauge for the floor.... But teh
masdevallias perked up once I put them down there.

KBarrett


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With all the hullabaloo going on, I just want to know how & why the changes?
Examples from Diana's list
"Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai"
"Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow"
One could develop a speach impediment with some of these names.
I like saying Blc. Momilani Rainbow now Thwait........
Cheers Wendy
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Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at
OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted it
to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid
people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on?

DK

OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes

We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names in
the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS. The
change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola;
Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to
Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and
Laelia.

The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect throughout
hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The
transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of
popular hybrids affected:

Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle
(click link to see)
Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd
Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not
Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat
Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop
Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai
Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow
Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory
Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang
Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman
Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye
The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid
databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into
Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the
next few days. The new version will include thousands of new registrations
as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards, contributed
photos and other historical data will remain under the old names which
will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names.

If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the
update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all
new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships.

We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions,
comments or concerns, please contact .

Best wishes,

- The team at OrchidWiz




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i was just wondering if that was enough when the actual outside is 100
degrees.

(my useless little parasites are in the house with me, so they get the
benefit of the hellishly expensive Carrier unit. and a fan.)

--j_a

Our temps here have been in the mid-to-upper 90's recently (hard to
believe our winters can reach 0 degrees and occasionally even below that
- who the heck designed this place to be both dangerously hot AND
dangerously cold? And why did ANYONE ever settle here?) and the new GH
is running a bit warmer than I'd like, at 82-84 or so; one swamp cooler
isn't enough and I think I need two. But for now, I can only get it down
to said 82-84 by hosing down the gravel in the afternoon (before I tried
that it was in fact in the lower 90's), but it does help a great deal.
And of course the role of the 50% shadecloth shouldn't be ignored as a
cooling tool.

Many, many thanks are due to all the folk who said I should have a
gravel floor and not poured concrete as I wanted. It REALLY helps cool -
the temp drops anywhere from 6-10 degrees after I hose it down. And
STAYS there!

Of course we're having a double cooling crisis this summer - the house's
central air went out and no-one will even come out to do an estimate on
replacing the compressor because they're booked through fall already. I
would normally just tough it out, but then there are OUR little
parasites, the dogs, to consider, who would not survive 95+ in the house
while we're at work even with the windows open (Shar-Pei don't handle
heat well) so we're making do with two window units which keep the main
floor livable for now.
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What I want to know is who made up these names? Who are these honorees? In
the past the person making the cross got the honor of the name. Mr. Ota got
to be Otaara becasue he put a Broughtonia on a Blc first. Who the heck is
Thwaits and why does he get to be a new name? Who is Peetse that he gets to
be the new Rhylc?

Butch to Sundance: Who are these guys?

K Barrett

"Wendy7" wrote in message
...
With all the hullabaloo going on, I just want to know how & why the
changes?
Examples from Diana's list
"Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai"
"Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani
Rainbow"
One could develop a speach impediment with some of these names.
I like saying Blc. Momilani Rainbow now Thwait........
Cheers Wendy
"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at
OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted
it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid
people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on?

DK

OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes

We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names
in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS.
The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola;
Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to
Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and
Laelia.

The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect
throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The
transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of
popular hybrids affected:

Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle
(click link to see)
Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd
Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not
Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat
Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop
Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai
Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow
Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory
Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang
Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman
Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye
The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid
databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into
Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the
next few days. The new version will include thousands of new
registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards,
contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old
names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names.

If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the
update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all
new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships.

We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions,
comments or concerns, please contact .

Best wishes,

- The team at OrchidWiz







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