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Default Home remedy Q from FirstRays.

Most of the remedies are made with small quantities,ie 500ml alcohol +1
tablespoon of cinnimon.This isnt enough to treat alot of plants.I did the
above then mixed it with 5 litres of water to spray all my plants.Less
effective?
Alot of alcohol in needed for larger treatments,so what do you do?
Thanks Keith


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Default Home remedy Q from FirstRays.

I buy more alcohol.

Adding the infusion to the water dilutes both the alcohol and the cinnamon
too much to be really effective.

If your primary goal is a fungicide, boil a lot more cinnamon in water, then
dilute that.

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Most of the remedies are made with small quantities,ie 500ml alcohol +1
tablespoon of cinnimon.This isnt enough to treat alot of plants.I did the
above then mixed it with 5 litres of water to spray all my plants.Less
effective?
Alot of alcohol in needed for larger treatments,so what do you do?
Thanks Keith



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Default Home remedy Q from FirstRays.

Hi Ray, Now Autumn/winter is upon us i want to spray everything to help
prevent mildew etc.I need about a 5 litre mix to cover my collection of
plants.Alcohol? in what form is best~?
Thanks Keith
"Ray B" wrote in message
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I buy more alcohol.

Adding the infusion to the water dilutes both the alcohol and the cinnamon
too much to be really effective.

If your primary goal is a fungicide, boil a lot more cinnamon in water,
then dilute that.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Most of the remedies are made with small quantities,ie 500ml alcohol +1
tablespoon of cinnimon.This isnt enough to treat alot of plants.I did the
above then mixed it with 5 litres of water to spray all my plants.Less
effective?
Alot of alcohol in needed for larger treatments,so what do you do?
Thanks Keith





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Default Home remedy Q from FirstRays.

If mildew is your concern, bag the alcohol and just make up more of the
cinnamon infusion in water.

(I always use isopropyl alcohol, to answer that question.)

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
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Hi Ray, Now Autumn/winter is upon us i want to spray everything to help
prevent mildew etc.I need about a 5 litre mix to cover my collection of
plants.Alcohol? in what form is best~?
Thanks Keith
"Ray B" wrote in message
news:a9TMi.5374$n92.3759@trnddc06...
I buy more alcohol.

Adding the infusion to the water dilutes both the alcohol and the
cinnamon too much to be really effective.

If your primary goal is a fungicide, boil a lot more cinnamon in water,
then dilute that.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Most of the remedies are made with small quantities,ie 500ml alcohol +1
tablespoon of cinnimon.This isnt enough to treat alot of plants.I did
the above then mixed it with 5 litres of water to spray all my
plants.Less effective?
Alot of alcohol in needed for larger treatments,so what do you do?
Thanks Keith







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Default Home remedy Q from FirstRays.

Bag the alcohol?
keith

"Ray B" wrote in message
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If mildew is your concern, bag the alcohol and just make up more of the
cinnamon infusion in water.

(I always use isopropyl alcohol, to answer that question.)

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Hi Ray, Now Autumn/winter is upon us i want to spray everything to help
prevent mildew etc.I need about a 5 litre mix to cover my collection of
plants.Alcohol? in what form is best~?
Thanks Keith
"Ray B" wrote in message
news:a9TMi.5374$n92.3759@trnddc06...
I buy more alcohol.

Adding the infusion to the water dilutes both the alcohol and the
cinnamon too much to be really effective.

If your primary goal is a fungicide, boil a lot more cinnamon in water,
then dilute that.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Most of the remedies are made with small quantities,ie 500ml alcohol +1
tablespoon of cinnimon.This isnt enough to treat alot of plants.I did
the above then mixed it with 5 litres of water to spray all my
plants.Less effective?
Alot of alcohol in needed for larger treatments,so what do you do?
Thanks Keith











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Default Home remedy Q from FirstRays.

Yes - if the fungicidal action is what you're after. The cinnamaldehyde
extracted from the powder is a better fungicide than the alcohol, but THAT'S
a better insecticide.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Bag the alcohol?
keith

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:mdXMi.6226$Hb2.5170@trndny07...
If mildew is your concern, bag the alcohol and just make up more of the
cinnamon infusion in water.

(I always use isopropyl alcohol, to answer that question.)

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Hi Ray, Now Autumn/winter is upon us i want to spray everything to help
prevent mildew etc.I need about a 5 litre mix to cover my collection of
plants.Alcohol? in what form is best~?
Thanks Keith
"Ray B" wrote in message
news:a9TMi.5374$n92.3759@trnddc06...
I buy more alcohol.

Adding the infusion to the water dilutes both the alcohol and the
cinnamon too much to be really effective.

If your primary goal is a fungicide, boil a lot more cinnamon in water,
then dilute that.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Most of the remedies are made with small quantities,ie 500ml alcohol
+1 tablespoon of cinnimon.This isnt enough to treat alot of plants.I
did the above then mixed it with 5 litres of water to spray all my
plants.Less effective?
Alot of alcohol in needed for larger treatments,so what do you do?
Thanks Keith











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Default Home remedy Q from FirstRays.

Sorry Ray i did not get bag the alcohol in the OP ? By this you mean 'don`t
use the alcohol' if i want a fungicide, yeh?how much cinnamon to water
ratio?
Is the alcohol -insecticide best sprayed neat?
I have never heard the term to bag something before :-) that`s why i did not
click .
Cheers Ray


wrote in message
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Yes - if the fungicidal action is what you're after. The cinnamaldehyde
extracted from the powder is a better fungicide than the alcohol, but
THAT'S a better insecticide.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Bag the alcohol?
keith

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:mdXMi.6226$Hb2.5170@trndny07...
If mildew is your concern, bag the alcohol and just make up more of the
cinnamon infusion in water.

(I always use isopropyl alcohol, to answer that question.)

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Hi Ray, Now Autumn/winter is upon us i want to spray everything to help
prevent mildew etc.I need about a 5 litre mix to cover my collection of
plants.Alcohol? in what form is best~?
Thanks Keith
"Ray B" wrote in message
news:a9TMi.5374$n92.3759@trnddc06...
I buy more alcohol.

Adding the infusion to the water dilutes both the alcohol and the
cinnamon too much to be really effective.

If your primary goal is a fungicide, boil a lot more cinnamon in
water, then dilute that.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Most of the remedies are made with small quantities,ie 500ml alcohol
+1 tablespoon of cinnimon.This isnt enough to treat alot of plants.I
did the above then mixed it with 5 litres of water to spray all my
plants.Less effective?
Alot of alcohol in needed for larger treatments,so what do you do?
Thanks Keith













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Default Home remedy Q from FirstRays.

Sorry. I should no better than to use slang in international conversations!

I usually make the alcohol extract, as the resultant is both a fungicide and
insecticide, and yes, the alcohol can be applied neat to kill bugs.
Diluting it is a waste.

If making the water-based extract, I typically add about 30 ml of powder to
a liter of boiling water, then let it steep at room temperature for several
days before filtering the sediment. At that point, it should be
concentrated enough that diluting 4:1 will likely still give you a strong
enough fungicidal spray.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Sorry Ray i did not get bag the alcohol in the OP ? By this you mean
'don`t use the alcohol' if i want a fungicide, yeh?how much cinnamon to
water ratio?
Is the alcohol -insecticide best sprayed neat?
I have never heard the term to bag something before :-) that`s why i did
not click .
Cheers Ray


wrote in message
news:vtdNi.6351$DF2.2126@trndny09...
Yes - if the fungicidal action is what you're after. The cinnamaldehyde
extracted from the powder is a better fungicide than the alcohol, but
THAT'S a better insecticide.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Bag the alcohol?
keith

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:mdXMi.6226$Hb2.5170@trndny07...
If mildew is your concern, bag the alcohol and just make up more of the
cinnamon infusion in water.

(I always use isopropyl alcohol, to answer that question.)

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Hi Ray, Now Autumn/winter is upon us i want to spray everything to
help prevent mildew etc.I need about a 5 litre mix to cover my
collection of plants.Alcohol? in what form is best~?
Thanks Keith
"Ray B" wrote in message
news:a9TMi.5374$n92.3759@trnddc06...
I buy more alcohol.

Adding the infusion to the water dilutes both the alcohol and the
cinnamon too much to be really effective.

If your primary goal is a fungicide, boil a lot more cinnamon in
water, then dilute that.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Most of the remedies are made with small quantities,ie 500ml alcohol
+1 tablespoon of cinnimon.This isnt enough to treat alot of plants.I
did the above then mixed it with 5 litres of water to spray all my
plants.Less effective?
Alot of alcohol in needed for larger treatments,so what do you do?
Thanks Keith















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Default Home remedy Q from FirstRays.

Thanks Ray!
Keith
"Ray B" wrote in message
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Sorry. I should no better than to use slang in international
conversations!

I usually make the alcohol extract, as the resultant is both a fungicide
and insecticide, and yes, the alcohol can be applied neat to kill bugs.
Diluting it is a waste.

If making the water-based extract, I typically add about 30 ml of powder
to a liter of boiling water, then let it steep at room temperature for
several days before filtering the sediment. At that point, it should be
concentrated enough that diluting 4:1 will likely still give you a strong
enough fungicidal spray.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Sorry Ray i did not get bag the alcohol in the OP ? By this you mean
'don`t use the alcohol' if i want a fungicide, yeh?how much cinnamon to
water ratio?
Is the alcohol -insecticide best sprayed neat?
I have never heard the term to bag something before :-) that`s why i did
not click .
Cheers Ray


wrote in message
news:vtdNi.6351$DF2.2126@trndny09...
Yes - if the fungicidal action is what you're after. The cinnamaldehyde
extracted from the powder is a better fungicide than the alcohol, but
THAT'S a better insecticide.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Bag the alcohol?
keith

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:mdXMi.6226$Hb2.5170@trndny07...
If mildew is your concern, bag the alcohol and just make up more of
the cinnamon infusion in water.

(I always use isopropyl alcohol, to answer that question.)

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Hi Ray, Now Autumn/winter is upon us i want to spray everything to
help prevent mildew etc.I need about a 5 litre mix to cover my
collection of plants.Alcohol? in what form is best~?
Thanks Keith
"Ray B" wrote in message
news:a9TMi.5374$n92.3759@trnddc06...
I buy more alcohol.

Adding the infusion to the water dilutes both the alcohol and the
cinnamon too much to be really effective.

If your primary goal is a fungicide, boil a lot more cinnamon in
water, then dilute that.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"keith kent" wrote in message
...
Most of the remedies are made with small quantities,ie 500ml
alcohol +1 tablespoon of cinnimon.This isnt enough to treat alot of
plants.I did the above then mixed it with 5 litres of water to
spray all my plants.Less effective?
Alot of alcohol in needed for larger treatments,so what do you do?
Thanks Keith

















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