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Den and Cattleya growing medium and water
In your personal experience, what is a good medium for Dendrobiums and
Cattleya's? I have several new ones and a few older ones. The older ones were repotted in Better Gro Phalaeonopsis mix, a general purpose mix of Fir bark (about the size of a quaerter), hardwood charcoal, and a bark like peat material . BG had several other mixes for orchids, the big difference being no Peat in the others and one had a smaller bark chunks. The cats seemt to do okay in it. They grow, new shoots, Several Kekei's , no flowers on any of the older ones (on one sI have had 1.5 years ). The dendroibiums appear to hate it. Most of them sit there, a couple have new growth. The Phal's go crazy in it. Looking at the books, it seems this should be a okay mix, but experience is always better. Also, for watering: In general do Cat's and Den's like more water than Phal's? I water them on the same schedule, and some are oky, other show signs of needing more water such as wrinkled new growth, shriveled pseudobulbs, etc |
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Den and Cattleya growing medium and water
Catts, I usually use a mix of small bark, perlite, lava rock and recently
I've been adding osmunda fibers. I use small bark because I don't water as frequently as I should, so my medium is more closed than many people would do. I don't have much luck with dendrobiums. It'll be interesting to see what people suggest. I didn't know Catts would kekei.... K Barrett "BruceM" wrote in message ... In your personal experience, what is a good medium for Dendrobiums and Cattleya's? I have several new ones and a few older ones. The older ones were repotted in Better Gro Phalaeonopsis mix, a general purpose mix of Fir bark (about the size of a quaerter), hardwood charcoal, and a bark like peat material . BG had several other mixes for orchids, the big difference being no Peat in the others and one had a smaller bark chunks. The cats seemt to do okay in it. They grow, new shoots, Several Kekei's , no flowers on any of the older ones (on one sI have had 1.5 years ). The dendroibiums appear to hate it. Most of them sit there, a couple have new growth. The Phal's go crazy in it. Looking at the books, it seems this should be a okay mix, but experience is always better. Also, for watering: In general do Cat's and Den's like more water than Phal's? I water them on the same schedule, and some are oky, other show signs of needing more water such as wrinkled new growth, shriveled pseudobulbs, etc |
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Kekei - I was speaking in general when I should not have. My
apologies "K Barrett" wrote in message . .. Catts, I usually use a mix of small bark, perlite, lava rock and recently I've been adding osmunda fibers. I use small bark because I don't water as frequently as I should, so my medium is more closed than many people would do. I don't have much luck with dendrobiums. It'll be interesting to see what people suggest. I didn't know Catts would kekei.... K Barrett "BruceM" wrote in message ... In your personal experience, what is a good medium for Dendrobiums and Cattleya's? I have several new ones and a few older ones. The older ones were repotted in Better Gro Phalaeonopsis mix, a general purpose mix of Fir bark (about the size of a quaerter), hardwood charcoal, and a bark like peat material . BG had several other mixes for orchids, the big difference being no Peat in the others and one had a smaller bark chunks. The cats seemt to do okay in it. They grow, new shoots, Several Kekei's , no flowers on any of the older ones (on one sI have had 1.5 years ). The dendroibiums appear to hate it. Most of them sit there, a couple have new growth. The Phal's go crazy in it. Looking at the books, it seems this should be a okay mix, but experience is always better. Also, for watering: In general do Cat's and Den's like more water than Phal's? I water them on the same schedule, and some are oky, other show signs of needing more water such as wrinkled new growth, shriveled pseudobulbs, etc |
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So I should have a glass of wine and share it with the Cat's ? Which cat,
The Red Emperor or the Maine Coone? Thr Phal's seem to be a it less sensitive to drying out than the Cats and Dendrobiums (based on watching mine). would that be a correct general observation? Watching these over the last year, they seem to prefer it if I let the medium get dry just a 1-2 inches down and then water them. The phals seem to like it if I let the medium dry 3-4 inches down (4-6 inch pots). "tenman" wrote in message ... BruceM wrote: In your personal experience, what is a good medium for Dendrobiums and Cattleya's? I have several new ones and a few older ones. The older ones were repotted in Better Gro Phalaeonopsis mix, a general purpose mix of Fir bark (about the size of a quaerter), hardwood charcoal, and a bark like peat material . BG had several other mixes for orchids, the big difference being no Peat in the others and one had a smaller bark chunks. The cats seemt to do okay in it. They grow, new shoots, Several Kekei's , no flowers on any of the older ones (on one sI have had 1.5 years ). The dendroibiums appear to hate it. Most of them sit there, a couple have new growth. The Phal's go crazy in it. Looking at the books, it seems this should be a okay mix, but experience is always better. Also, for watering: In general do Cat's and Den's like more water than Phal's? I water them on the same schedule, and some are oky, other show signs of needing more water such as wrinkled new growth, shriveled pseudobulbs, etc I use both a 2/3 medium bark/ 1/3 #3spongerock mix and a 2/3 large CHC/ 1/3 #4spongrock mix for mature catts in clay pots (small seedlings are in a finer mix in plastic). In the bark they are potted harder (tighter) and the CHC is used as a looser, more open mix (which creates issues of how to physically immobilize the plants). Both have worked ok, though in clay pots and my traditional dry conditions, the CHC has an edge. That said, it will depend a lot on your humidity levels and as well on temps and light as they affect metabolism and how much water the plants use. Dens I have in 'seedling mix' of 2/3fine bark and 1/3 #3spongerock in clay pots potted tightly. A common misconception from which I myself once suffered concerns water levels. Orchids are water-loving plants when they are in their growth phase and with optimum conditions. Some such as vandas and catts don't want to sit in water constantly or be soggy but they do need copious amounts of water - the confusion is in thinking they don't need water because they don't want to stay wet. Ideally they should be wet, then dry and then wet right away again (during growth and in the daylight). The problem is that we stick them in pots and limit the air movement around the roots and packed medium and then we have problems we blame on water. So in culture, it's a balance you're looking for based on all those variables. This second glass of wine is making me loquacious. |
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Interesting you would get that impression.
Catts and dens have pseudobulbs for storing water and nutrients, so can handle long dry periods. Phals don't, only having their fleshy leaves for storage, so generally need to stay constantly moist. I also believe there is no such thing as a "best" potting medium for a specific plant. Yes, the watering needs of the plant play a role in medium selection, but so do the light level, air movement, temperature, humidity, and the watering tendencies of the grower, which of course, vary all over the map. Some time ago I summarized a bit of that he http://www.firstrays.com/potting_media.htm -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info! "BruceM" wrote in message Thr Phal's seem to be a it less sensitive to drying out than the Cats and Dendrobiums (based on watching mine). would that be a correct general observation? Watching these over the last year, they seem to prefer it if I let the medium get dry just a 1-2 inches down and then water them. The phals seem to like it if I let the medium dry 3-4 inches down (4-6 inch pots). |
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:38:31 GMT, "Ray B"
wrote: Interesting you would get that impression. Catts and dens have pseudobulbs for storing water and nutrients, so can handle long dry periods. Phals don't, only having their fleshy leaves for storage, so generally need to stay constantly moist. I also believe there is no such thing as a "best" potting medium for a specific plant. Yes, the watering needs of the plant play a role in medium selection, but so do the light level, air movement, temperature, humidity, and the watering tendencies of the grower, which of course, vary all over the map. Some time ago I summarized a bit of that he http://www.firstrays.com/potting_media.htm As Ray says the potting media is generally specific to the grower not the plant. But Den's don't want a lot of space and if your potting them up like the Catts you have too large a pot. Try a saucer style or 1 size smaller than you think they should have and not too deep. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/main.php |
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Den and Cattleya growing medium and water
"BruceM" wrote in message ... In your personal experience, what is a good medium for Dendrobiums and Cattleya's? I have several new ones and a few older ones. The older ones were repotted in Better Gro Phalaeonopsis mix, a general purpose mix of Fir bark (about the size of a quaerter), hardwood charcoal, and a bark like peat material . BG had several other mixes for orchids, the big difference being no Peat in the others and one had a smaller bark chunks. The cats seemt to do okay in it. They grow, new shoots, Several Kekei's , no flowers on any of the older ones (on one sI have had 1.5 years ). The dendroibiums appear to hate it. Most of them sit there, a couple have new growth. The Phal's go crazy in it. Looking at the books, it seems this should be a okay mix, but experience is always better. Also, for watering: In general do Cat's and Den's like more water than Phal's? I water them on the same schedule, and some are oky, other show signs of needing more water such as wrinkled new growth, shriveled pseudobulbs, etc As already said there is no answer for the absolute correct medium? However you will have to use what is available to you and based on your growing enviroment. Even though this sort of response is correct it is frustrating as it doesnt really answer your question. I use bark,spagnum moss and perlite at say a 3-1-1 ratio i would add a little charcoal to if it was readily available for me,but you can adjust to your requirements,if you are worried about overwatering you could add more perlite for instance and use a chunky bark.If your plants dry out too quickly add more moss and don`t forget to feed and check the ph of your water.However ph and feed strength is something else you may or maynot want to dabble with. I think this bark mix is hard to beat but obviously is a personel choice, i believe it is a good staring point for anyone. I grow catts,dens,coelogyne,masdevallias,cymbidiums all based on this mix. Hope this helps Keith UK |
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When looking at the plant in-pot, without inspecting buried roots, the
symptoms of "too wet" are pretty much the same as those of "too dry." Either way, the plant looks dehydrated -- because if you keep the plant too wet, the roots rot and can't transport any water to the green parts that show. If you've been growing your Catts and Dens in the same mix, and watering them on the same schedule, as your Phals, I would suspect that the former are lacking in good roots. Oversize pots, mentioned in another post, will aggravate this problem. Kenni "BruceM" wrote in message ... So I should have a glass of wine and share it with the Cat's ? Which cat, The Red Emperor or the Maine Coone? Thr Phal's seem to be a it less sensitive to drying out than the Cats and Dendrobiums (based on watching mine). would that be a correct general observation? Watching these over the last year, they seem to prefer it if I let the medium get dry just a 1-2 inches down and then water them. The phals seem to like it if I let the medium dry 3-4 inches down (4-6 inch pots). "tenman" wrote in message ... BruceM wrote: In your personal experience, what is a good medium for Dendrobiums and Cattleya's? I have several new ones and a few older ones. The older ones were repotted in Better Gro Phalaeonopsis mix, a general purpose mix of Fir bark (about the size of a quaerter), hardwood charcoal, and a bark like peat material . BG had several other mixes for orchids, the big difference being no Peat in the others and one had a smaller bark chunks. The cats seemt to do okay in it. They grow, new shoots, Several Kekei's , no flowers on any of the older ones (on one sI have had 1.5 years ). The dendroibiums appear to hate it. Most of them sit there, a couple have new growth. The Phal's go crazy in it. Looking at the books, it seems this should be a okay mix, but experience is always better. Also, for watering: In general do Cat's and Den's like more water than Phal's? I water them on the same schedule, and some are oky, other show signs of needing more water such as wrinkled new growth, shriveled pseudobulbs, etc I use both a 2/3 medium bark/ 1/3 #3spongerock mix and a 2/3 large CHC/ 1/3 #4spongrock mix for mature catts in clay pots (small seedlings are in a finer mix in plastic). In the bark they are potted harder (tighter) and the CHC is used as a looser, more open mix (which creates issues of how to physically immobilize the plants). Both have worked ok, though in clay pots and my traditional dry conditions, the CHC has an edge. That said, it will depend a lot on your humidity levels and as well on temps and light as they affect metabolism and how much water the plants use. Dens I have in 'seedling mix' of 2/3fine bark and 1/3 #3spongerock in clay pots potted tightly. A common misconception from which I myself once suffered concerns water levels. Orchids are water-loving plants when they are in their growth phase and with optimum conditions. Some such as vandas and catts don't want to sit in water constantly or be soggy but they do need copious amounts of water - the confusion is in thinking they don't need water because they don't want to stay wet. Ideally they should be wet, then dry and then wet right away again (during growth and in the daylight). The problem is that we stick them in pots and limit the air movement around the roots and packed medium and then we have problems we blame on water. So in culture, it's a balance you're looking for based on all those variables. This second glass of wine is making me loquacious. |
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"BruceM" wrote in message ... In your personal experience, what is a good medium for Dendrobiums and Cattleya's? I have several new ones and a few older ones. The older ones were repotted in Better Gro Phalaeonopsis mix, a general purpose mix of Fir bark (about the size of a quaerter), hardwood charcoal, and a bark like peat material . BG had several other mixes for orchids, the big difference being no Peat in the others and one had a smaller bark chunks. The cats seemt to do okay in it. They grow, new shoots, Several Kekei's , no flowers on any of the older ones (on one sI have had 1.5 years ). The dendroibiums appear to hate it. Most of them sit there, a couple have new growth. The Phal's go crazy in it. Looking at the books, it seems this should be a okay mix, but experience is always better. Also, for watering: In general do Cat's and Den's like more water than Phal's? I water them on the same schedule, and some are oky, other show signs of needing more water such as wrinkled new growth, shriveled pseudobulbs, etc Wrinkled growth is from desiccation. Make sure the DUNK their pots in water up the rim until all the medium is wet. Trying to water some of the coarser mediums is difficult as the water runs right through it. The roots get nothing. The leaves and bulbs shrivel. |
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The cats seemt to do okay in it. They grow, new shoots, Several Kekei's ,
no flowers on any of the older ones (on one sI have had 1.5 years ). The dendroibiums appear to hate it. Most of them sit there, a couple have new growth. The Phal's go crazy in it. Looking at the books, it seems this should be a okay mix, but experience is always better. Lack of flowers from mature plants can be from a poor root system or lack of enough light. I mention poor roots because of the topic, but more often than not light affects flowering . Also, for watering: In general do Cat's and Den's like more water than Phal's? I water them on the same schedule, and some are oky, other show signs of needing more water such as wrinkled new growth, shriveled pseudobulbs, etc Wrinkled growth is from desiccation. Make sure the DUNK their pots in water up the rim until all the medium is wet. Trying to water some of the coarser mediums is difficult as the water runs right through it. The roots get nothing. The leaves and bulbs shrivel. I agree with Kenni - the dessicated appearence can be from rotted roots, which can't absorb water, or too dry of a mix. Whenever plants look dessicated it is a good idea to check the roots, and the medium. The medium can look good from the top and be rotted in the center. After the roots and medium are checked then I can decide if it's from lack of water or too much water. I water my plants in bark thouroughly ... to make sure all the medium gets wet. I have about 40 orchids and go through 8 to 10 gallons of water per watering. I then allow them to almost dry before watering again. That translates into once a week for some during the winter to every other day in the summer. It's important to water according to the plants needs rather than a certain schedule. The schedule comes as you become familiar with the plant's environment and needs. Orchids can be grown in just about anything that holds them in the pot - if it allows air and water to the roots. Too much air (too dry) or too much water (too wet) should be avoided. Overwatering usually happens not because we add too much at once, but rather by watering too often - before the medium has a chance to almost dry out. There are exceptions to every rule, for instance, Phrags like being wet. I hope this helps. Good growing! Bob Campoli - Philadelphia, Pa |
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