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As noted in today's OGD there's a move afoot to change Phrag kovachii to
Phrag peruvianum. The comments can be found here in .pdf. They are free.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...wgdf.victoria?



Quoted from the OGD:

It has been brought to my attention that there is an active proposal to
eliminate the name Phragmipedium kovachii by suppressing the Selbyana
Supplement it was published in on the basis of the illegal backstory.


1. The proposal: TAXON 55(4):1055-1056. 2006 (Nov).


2. Rebuttal by William Anderson: TAXON 56(2). 2007 (May).


3. Rebuttal by Wesley Higgins and David Benzing: TAXON 56(3). 2007 (Aug).


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Kathy,

That website is organized poorly - too much "drilling down" to get to what
you want!

Here are the relevant URLs for those not into exploring. Click the big "PDF"
button on each page to view the content.

1) The Proposal: TAXON 55(4)

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00004/art00041

2) Rebuttal by William Anderson: TAXON 56(2)

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00002/art00046

3) Rebuttal by Wesley Higgins and David Benzing: TAXON 56(3)

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00003/art00042

(ps. I love how the PDF sizes are to the 10th decimal place!)

-Eric


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So Eric, which side of the argument are you on?

Cheers

John

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Kathy,

That website is organized poorly - too much "drilling down" to get to what
you want!

Here are the relevant URLs for those not into exploring. Click the big
"PDF" button on each page to view the content.

1) The Proposal: TAXON 55(4)

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00004/art00041

2) Rebuttal by William Anderson: TAXON 56(2)

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00002/art00046

3) Rebuttal by Wesley Higgins and David Benzing: TAXON 56(3)

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00003/art00042

(ps. I love how the PDF sizes are to the 10th decimal place!)

-Eric



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thanks for the links.

boy am i out out of it--i thought it was *already* "officially" named
peruviana, and kovachii was just the popluar name.

--j_a
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John,

Keep the kovatchii name. To do anything else will open up nomenclature to
the same stupid political influences that are pervasive in so many other
aspects of society. I think the two rebuttals were spot-on.

An for good measure, successfully suppressing that publication will cause a
major schism in the international taxonomic community.

-Eric

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So Eric, which side of the argument are you on?

Cheers

John

"Eric Hunt" wrote in message
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Kathy,

That website is organized poorly - too much "drilling down" to get to
what you want!

Here are the relevant URLs for those not into exploring. Click the big
"PDF" button on each page to view the content.

1) The Proposal: TAXON 55(4)

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00004/art00041

2) Rebuttal by William Anderson: TAXON 56(2)

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00002/art00046

3) Rebuttal by Wesley Higgins and David Benzing: TAXON 56(3)

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00003/art00042

(ps. I love how the PDF sizes are to the 10th decimal place!)

-Eric







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Just my two cents & free too! No one is above the law!!!!!!
This is one time I agree with a change to Phrag peruvianum.
Cheers Wendy

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As noted in today's OGD there's a move afoot to change Phrag kovachii to
Phrag peruvianum. The comments can be found here in .pdf. They are free.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...wgdf.victoria?



Quoted from the OGD:

It has been brought to my attention that there is an active proposal to
eliminate the name Phragmipedium kovachii by suppressing the Selbyana
Supplement it was published in on the basis of the illegal backstory.


1. The proposal: TAXON 55(4):1055-1056. 2006 (Nov).


2. Rebuttal by William Anderson: TAXON 56(2). 2007 (May).


3. Rebuttal by Wesley Higgins and David Benzing: TAXON 56(3). 2007 (Aug).


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I agree with you. My first instinct was to agree with the change, but
having read the rebuttals I am now of the opinion that the name should stay.

John


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John,

Keep the kovatchii name. To do anything else will open up nomenclature to
the same stupid political influences that are pervasive in so many other
aspects of society. I think the two rebuttals were spot-on.

An for good measure, successfully suppressing that publication will cause
a major schism in the international taxonomic community.

-Eric

"John Varigos" wrote in message
om...
So Eric, which side of the argument are you on?

Cheers

John

"Eric Hunt" wrote in message
...
Kathy,

That website is organized poorly - too much "drilling down" to get to
what you want!

Here are the relevant URLs for those not into exploring. Click the big
"PDF" button on each page to view the content.

1) The Proposal: TAXON 55(4)

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00004/art00041

2) Rebuttal by William Anderson: TAXON 56(2)

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00002/art00046

3) Rebuttal by Wesley Higgins and David Benzing: TAXON 56(3)

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00003/art00042

(ps. I love how the PDF sizes are to the 10th decimal place!)

-Eric







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John,

Guido Braem made similar arguments way back when the court judgment
requiring Selby to make every effort to overturn the kovatchii name was
released. My loose recollection of the point Guido made was something
along the lines that US courts can order international scientific bodies
to do whatever they want and the scientific body is free to ignore the
court.

-Eric


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I agree with you. My first instinct was to agree with the change, but
having read the rebuttals I am now of the opinion that the name should stay.

John

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Now that you raise it, I do remember Guido's arguments.

Must have it on my OGD files somewhere.

John

"Eric Hunt" wrote in message
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John,

Guido Braem made similar arguments way back when the court judgment
requiring Selby to make every effort to overturn the kovatchii name was
released. My loose recollection of the point Guido made was something
along the lines that US courts can order international scientific bodies
to do whatever they want and the scientific body is free to ignore the
court.

-Eric


John Varigos wrote:
I agree with you. My first instinct was to agree with the change, but
having read the rebuttals I am now of the opinion that the name should
stay.

John





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