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so i was looking at my pics from the WOC and began to wonder. it's
not unreasonable to expect that all the vandas on the front side of
fuchs' display came from RF; but what about all those white phals on
the back?

do exhibitors have to use all their own plants? can they buy plants
from other folks? after all, if everything you want to use in a
display isn't in bloom in your own GH at the time you want to use it,
do you change your design to reflect what you have, or do you go to a
mail order house or someplace else to get what you want? does this
affect judging at all?

just curious, as i know nothing about all this....

--j_a

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I understand the Phrag besseae hybrids used in Krull-Smith's display (along
the stream bed under the bridge) were from Orchid Zone. I understand K-S
say they will never put on another display of that size and diversity again.
It was expensive. (to say the least)

K Barrett

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so i was looking at my pics from the WOC and began to wonder. it's
not unreasonable to expect that all the vandas on the front side of
fuchs' display came from RF; but what about all those white phals on
the back?

do exhibitors have to use all their own plants? can they buy plants
from other folks? after all, if everything you want to use in a
display isn't in bloom in your own GH at the time you want to use it,
do you change your design to reflect what you have, or do you go to a
mail order house or someplace else to get what you want? does this
affect judging at all?

just curious, as i know nothing about all this....

--j_a



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On Feb 4, 11:15*am, "K Barrett" wrote:
I understand the Phrag besseae hybrids used in Krull-Smith's display (along
the stream bed under the bridge) were from Orchid Zone. *


those were lovely. (i took a picture.

--j_a
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I don't know how they handled those huge displays, but I suspect that Kathy
is right. I *can* tell you the protocol for normal displays in shows around
here. I stress the *around here* part of that, because I find that locales
differ.

If we as a society install a display, whether a 6 foot table top or a 100 sf
floor model, we use our own plants. Ditto a card table size, which would be
done by one or two people. If additional plants are needed, people have been
known to purchase them, but it's bad form to register a plant like that for
ribbon judging. The rule of thumb (and it's only that) is that a plant
should have been in the possession of the exhibitor for about six months
before being offered for judging.

Having said that, do some folks circumvent those rules? You betchum, Red
Ryder. And we've had discussions in this group about just this kind of
thing. After all, a ribbon is given for flower quality, as is an AM or an
HCC, so it's going to the plant, not the grower. A CCM, on the other hand,
is for exceptional culture, so is a reward to the grower. So one could argue
that no matter how long you've owned the plant, it should be eligible for
ribbons. But then, if it's been registered, how do the judges know it hasn't
been owned for six months? They can't know that.

Best to keep to the rules, IMNSHO.

Diana


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On Feb 4, 11:15 am, "K Barrett" wrote:
I understand the Phrag besseae hybrids used in Krull-Smith's display
(along
the stream bed under the bridge) were from Orchid Zone.


those were lovely. (i took a picture.

--j_a


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Let's make sure we are comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
I'm not sure the usual club rules apply here. Who is a member of the WOC?
Its not a club, per se.

In a club's show the plants in a display should be owned by the exhibitor,
the 6 month rule applies if its written into the show schedule (which most
of the time it is).

Don't quote me, but I think there are different judging rules/regs for a
WOC. I noticed everyone commented on the number of 'trophies' the K-S
display and RF Orchids display got... not 'AOS awards', 'AOS Show trophies'
or 'Gold Certificates' etc. I could be wrong, and frequently am. We'd have
to ask someone who judged the show.

The 6 month rule only applies - on the AOS national level - to cultural
awards (CCM, CCE). People frequently buy the plant and display it for
quality awards (HCC, AM, FCC). The cultural awards go to the grower for
exemplary ability to grow. The quality award goes to the plant for looking
good or being an improvement.

K Barrett

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I don't know how they handled those huge displays, but I suspect that Kathy
is right. I *can* tell you the protocol for normal displays in shows around
here. I stress the *around here* part of that, because I find that locales
differ.

If we as a society install a display, whether a 6 foot table top or a 100
sf floor model, we use our own plants. Ditto a card table size, which
would be done by one or two people. If additional plants are needed,
people have been known to purchase them, but it's bad form to register a
plant like that for ribbon judging. The rule of thumb (and it's only that)
is that a plant should have been in the possession of the exhibitor for
about six months before being offered for judging.

Having said that, do some folks circumvent those rules? You betchum, Red
Ryder. And we've had discussions in this group about just this kind of
thing. After all, a ribbon is given for flower quality, as is an AM or an
HCC, so it's going to the plant, not the grower. A CCM, on the other hand,
is for exceptional culture, so is a reward to the grower. So one could
argue that no matter how long you've owned the plant, it should be
eligible for ribbons. But then, if it's been registered, how do the judges
know it hasn't been owned for six months? They can't know that.

Best to keep to the rules, IMNSHO.

Diana


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On Feb 4, 11:15 am, "K Barrett" wrote:
I understand the Phrag besseae hybrids used in Krull-Smith's display
(along
the stream bed under the bridge) were from Orchid Zone.


those were lovely. (i took a picture.

--j_a





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Agree. That's why I limited my remarks to society events. I don't look at
the WOC as a society. There was no AOS judging, but that's a remark for
others who may not have known that. I know you do.

Around here, it's frowned on to take a newly acquired plant for flower
quality judging, but there would be no way to enforce such a rule. And it
may be a local society thing, rather than AOS.

We're on the same page, though.

Diana

"K Barrett" wrote in message
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Let's make sure we are comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
I'm not sure the usual club rules apply here. Who is a member of the WOC?
Its not a club, per se.

In a club's show the plants in a display should be owned by the exhibitor,
the 6 month rule applies if its written into the show schedule (which most
of the time it is).

Don't quote me, but I think there are different judging rules/regs for a
WOC. I noticed everyone commented on the number of 'trophies' the K-S
display and RF Orchids display got... not 'AOS awards', 'AOS Show
trophies' or 'Gold Certificates' etc. I could be wrong, and frequently
am. We'd have to ask someone who judged the show.

The 6 month rule only applies - on the AOS national level - to cultural
awards (CCM, CCE). People frequently buy the plant and display it for
quality awards (HCC, AM, FCC). The cultural awards go to the grower for
exemplary ability to grow. The quality award goes to the plant for
looking good or being an improvement.

K Barrett

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
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I don't know how they handled those huge displays, but I suspect that
Kathy is right. I *can* tell you the protocol for normal displays in shows
around here. I stress the *around here* part of that, because I find that
locales differ.

If we as a society install a display, whether a 6 foot table top or a 100
sf floor model, we use our own plants. Ditto a card table size, which
would be done by one or two people. If additional plants are needed,
people have been known to purchase them, but it's bad form to register a
plant like that for ribbon judging. The rule of thumb (and it's only
that) is that a plant should have been in the possession of the exhibitor
for about six months before being offered for judging.

Having said that, do some folks circumvent those rules? You betchum, Red
Ryder. And we've had discussions in this group about just this kind of
thing. After all, a ribbon is given for flower quality, as is an AM or an
HCC, so it's going to the plant, not the grower. A CCM, on the other
hand, is for exceptional culture, so is a reward to the grower. So one
could argue that no matter how long you've owned the plant, it should be
eligible for ribbons. But then, if it's been registered, how do the
judges know it hasn't been owned for six months? They can't know that.

Best to keep to the rules, IMNSHO.

Diana


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On Feb 4, 11:15 am, "K Barrett" wrote:
I understand the Phrag besseae hybrids used in Krull-Smith's display
(along
the stream bed under the bridge) were from Orchid Zone.


those were lovely. (i took a picture.

--j_a





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hmm...... i also wonder what this type of thing does for sales for
the commercial folks; i wonder if ppl will go into K-S looking for
phrags now, or to RF looking for phals?

that said, i was surprised there weren't more ppl at RF on sunday when
i went; i would have expected a big blob of WOC folks to have made the
redlands trail pilgrimage...but then, it was raining, so maybe they
were out there on saturday.

--j_a
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Well, I'm sure every one of those besseae hybrids will be for sale, LOL!

K
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hmm...... i also wonder what this type of thing does for sales for
the commercial folks; i wonder if ppl will go into K-S looking for
phrags now, or to RF looking for phals?

that said, i was surprised there weren't more ppl at RF on sunday when
i went; i would have expected a big blob of WOC folks to have made the
redlands trail pilgrimage...but then, it was raining, so maybe they
were out there on saturday.

--j_a



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They had to be insane to do it once. Kenni

"K Barrett" wrote in message
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I understand the Phrag besseae hybrids used in Krull-Smith's display (along
the stream bed under the bridge) were from Orchid Zone. I understand K-S
say they will never put on another display of that size and diversity
again. It was expensive. (to say the least)

K Barrett

wrote in message
...
so i was looking at my pics from the WOC and began to wonder. it's
not unreasonable to expect that all the vandas on the front side of
fuchs' display came from RF; but what about all those white phals on
the back?

do exhibitors have to use all their own plants? can they buy plants
from other folks? after all, if everything you want to use in a
display isn't in bloom in your own GH at the time you want to use it,
do you change your design to reflect what you have, or do you go to a
mail order house or someplace else to get what you want? does this
affect judging at all?

just curious, as i know nothing about all this....

--j_a







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